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Category 9 => Paranormal - The Jinn => Topic started by: Zeynab on August 15, 2008, 04:54:16 am



Title: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Zeynab on August 15, 2008, 04:54:16 am
 BismEm


Sister Ruhi's post on the difference between jinn and ghost prompted me to write a complete piece giving information on the Jinn in accordance with the Noble Quraan.  It is a very important topic.

Since 'Jinn' is suitable for the category of the paranormal, I decided to put it on this board with a link in the Quraan board.

To begin, let's be very clear about one thing.  The existence of Jinn is NOT a myth or legend as presumed according to modern concepts.  The existense of Jinn is very REAL, just as much as the existence of humans.

In the Quran there is a Surah titled 'Al-Jinn."  Allah has provided us with many essential information in this Surah (mainly verses 72:1-15).  Many other Surahs also contain mention of the Jinn about various matters. 

The Noble Quran mentions that Jinn are created from smokeless fire while human beings are created from clay.  Like humans, Jinn too are entrusted with responibilities.  They are also commanded to worship none but Allah.  They too will be rewarded for their righteousness and will be punished for their wickedness.
 
"He created man of clay like the potter's,
And the jinn did He create of smokeless fire."  (55:14-15)
 
"I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me."  (51:56)


The Noble Quran states that the earth / universe consists of the following creations.
 
1. Angels
2. Jinns made of smokeless fire (or elemental fire)
3. Humans made of clay
4. Animals, birds, fishes, reptiles, insects.  Since the Quran hasn't specified their origin as in the above mentioned creations, I won't speculate on that.  However, I would presume that animals, birds etc. are also of clay.
 
Jinn are an older creation than humans as stated in Verse 15:26-27 of Surah 'Al-Hijr.'  And although Jinn are invisible to the human eye, Jinn can see humans as clarified in Verse 7:27 of Surah 'Al-Araf.'  More on these later in this post.

"Verily We created man of potter's clay of black mud altered,
And the jinn did We create aforetime of essential fire."  (15:26-27)


It must be remembered that Iblis (Satan) is a Jinn and not an Angel. The concept of the Devil being a fallen Angel is from Christianity and not from Islam.
 
"And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you ? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers." (18:50) Al-Kahf

Quoting Abdullah Yusuf Ali:
 
"Jinns: who are they?  In Surah 18:50 we are told that Iblis was one of the Jinn, and that was why he disobeyed the Command of Allah. But in that passage and other similar passages, we are told that Allah commanded the Angels to bow down to Adam, and they obeyed except Iblis. That also implies that Iblis had been of the company of Angels, but Iblis is of the Jinn. In many passages Jinn and men are spoken of together. In Surah 55:14-15, humans are stated to have been created from clay, while Jinns from a flame of fire. The root meaning of junna, yujannu, is "to be covered or hidden", and janna yajunnu, in the active voice, "to cover or hide."  Some people say that Jinn therefore means the hidden qualities or capacities in man; others that it means wild or jungle folk hidden in the hills or forests. I do not wish to be dogmatic, but I think, from a collation and study of the Quranic passages, that the meaning is simply "a spirit", or an invisible or hidden force.  In folklore stories and romances like the Arabian Nights they become personified into fantastic forms, but with them we are not concerned.  The Quran describes the Jinn as a definite species of living beings. They are created out of fire and like humans, may believe or disbelieve, accept or reject guidance. The authoritative Islamic texts show that they are not merely a hidden force, or a spirit. They are personalized beings who enjoy a certain amount of free will and thus will be called to account -- Surah 6:130"
 
Unuote:

The ayaats mentioned in Yusuf Ali's tafsir above are quoted as follows:
 
"And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you ? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers."  (18:50)
 
"He created man of clay like the potter's,
And the jinn did He create of smokeless fire."  (55:14-15)
 
"O ye assembly of the jinn and humankind! Came there not unto you messengers of your own who recounted unto you My tokens and warned you of the meeting of this your Day ? They will say: We testify against ourselves. And the life of the world beguiled them. And they testify against themselves that they were disbelievers."  (6:130)


Now, in our discussion of Jinn, let's focus on Verse 6:100 (Surah Al-Anam).
 
"Yet they ascribe as partners unto Him the jinn, although He did create them, and impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him. Glorified be He and High Exalted above (all) that they ascribe (unto Him)."   (6:100)

The above verse points out the grave blunder of people who presume Jinn to be partners of Allah or His equal.  It also mentions the huge mistake of those ignorant people who associate sons and daughters to Allah.   
 
Some people interpret this Verse about Jinn that due to the deceitful nature of some Jinn, one of their tricks is to seduce humans into thinking that Jinn are equal with Allah.  Therefore, the Noble Quran emphasizes over and over again that there is only One Allah and none else is worthy of worship except Him alone. 

The information in Verses 46:29-31 on Jinn is interesting. 
 
"And when We inclined toward thee (Muhammad) certain of the jinn, who wished to hear the Qur'an and, when they were in its presence, said: Give ear! and, when it was finished, turned back to their people, warning.
 
They said: O our people! Lo! we have heard a scripture which hath been revealed after Moses, confirming that which was before it, guiding unto the truth and a right road.
 
O our people! respond to Allah's summoner and believe in Him. He will forgive you some of your sins and guard you from a painful doom."   (46:29:31)


These above verses mention about those Jinn who were eager to listen to the reading of the Quran recited by the Prophet (pbuh).  They also went and told their community of other Jinn about it.   Thus, with reference to the above verses 46:29-31 and also as per verse 51:56 quoted at the beginning of this post, Jinn are subject to the teachings of the Quran as are humans.  And they will be held accountable for their actions/deeds just like humans. 

Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi's elucidation on Jinn in the Quran is also articulate and informative, containing really good explanations on this topic.  I quote Syed Maududi as follows.  I am also putting a link to the Noble Quraan   (http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/pickthall/index.html) for your immediate references (if you want to check) because Maududi's tafsir only mentions the Surah and Verse numbers.

Quoting Syed Maududi: 
 
"Al-Jinn is the name of this Surah (Surah 72, "Al-Jinn" (http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/pickthall/surah72.html))  as well as the title of its subject matter.  This Surah mentions the event of the Jinn hearing the Qur'an and returning to their people to preach Islam to them. 
 
Many people of the modern times are involved in the misunderstanding that the jinn are not real but only a figment of the ancient superstition and myths.  This opinion is based on the limited knowledge that they have acquired or discovered about the universe.  On the basis of their very limited knowledge of the unseen they have not found any evidence of Jinn.  Thus they think Jinn don't exist.  They cannot claim to possess any such knowledge either. But they have assumed without reason and proof that nothing exists in the universe except what they can see whereas the sphere of human perceptions as against the vastness of this great universe is not even comparable to a drop of water in the ocean.  The person who thinks that whatever he does not perceive does not exist and what exists must necessarily be perceived in fact provides a proof of his own limited and shallow mind. 
 
Then again, those Muslims who have been influenced by modernism but cannot deny the Qur'an either have given strange interpretations of the clear statements of the Qur'an about the jinn Iblis or Satan.  They say that Jinn does not refer to any hidden creation which may have its own independent existence but it sometimes refers to man's own animal forces which have been called Satan and sometimes it implies savage and wild mountain tribes and sometimes the people who used to listen to the Qur'an secretly. But the statements of the Qur'an in this regard are so clear and explicit that these interpretations bear no relevance whatsoever. The Qur'an frequently mentions the Jinn and the humans in a manner as to clearly indicate that they are two separate creations.  For this check the following Surahs:
 
-  Al-Araf (7:38)
- Al-Ahqaf (46:18)
- Ad-Dhariyat (51:56) [already quoted in this post].
- and the entire sura Ar-Rahman which bears such clear evidence that it leaves no room to consider or even guess the Jinn to be the same as human species.
 
In Surahs 7:12 (Al-Araf),  15:26-27 (Al-Hijr) and 55:14-15 (Ar-Rehman) it has been expressly stated that man was created out of clay and jinn out of fire.
 
In Surah 15:27 (Al Hijr) it has been said that the jinn had been created before man. The same thing is testified by the story of Adam and Iblis which has been told at seven different places in the Qur'an and at every place it confirms that Iblis was already there at the creation of man.
 
Moreover in Surah 'Al-Kahf' 18:50 it has been stated that Iblis belonged to the Jinn.
 
In Surah 7:27 ('Al-Araf') it has been stated that Satan and "his tribe" can see humans but human beings cannot see them. (Satan is of the jinn and "his tribe" apparently refers to other jinn).
 
In Surahs 15:16-18 (Al-Hijr),  37:6-10 (As- Saaffat) and 67:5 (Al-Mulk) it has been said that although the jinn can ascend to the heavens they cannot exceed a certain limit; if they try to ascend beyond that limit and try to hear what's happening in the heavens, they are not allowed to do so and if they try to eavesdrop they are driven away by meteorites. By this, the belief of the polytheistic Arabs that the jinn possess the knowledge of the unseen or have access to Divine secrets has been refuted.
 
The same error has also been refuted in 34:14 (Saba), 2:30-34 (Al-Baqarah) and 18:50 (Al- Kahf) show that Allah has entrusted man with the vicegerency of the earth and humans are superior to the jinn.  Although the jinn also have been given certain extraordinary powers and abilities, an example of which is found in 27:39 (An-Naml) .. as also animals likewise have been given some powers greater than man but these do not mean that animals are superior to man.
 
The Qur'an also explains that the jinn like men are a creation possessed of power and authority and they, just like them, can choose between obedience and disobedience, faith and disbelief."
 
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Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quraan
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on August 17, 2008, 09:21:53 pm


Thanks sister.  I'll certainly mark this wonderful article as one of the most comprehensive pieces I've read.  The importance of this piece comes from its total conformity of the Noble Quran.  

Of course, it goes without saying, Jinn are no myth.  They are a very very real existence.  Even non-Muslims who do not heed the Quran should know the reality of Jinn.  After all, so many people all over the world have practically experienced something or the other concerning this paranormal existence.  

May Allah (The Most High) grant a strong faith and guidance to all those who seek it, ameen.



 


Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quraan
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on August 28, 2008, 02:17:46 am


Very very interesting piece indeed.  Jinns are very real.  After all the experiences which so many people have had in the world with paranormal beings, how can they still call the existence of Jinns a "myth" ?


BismEm

Many people of the modern times are involved in the misunderstanding that the jinn are not real but only a figment of the ancient superstition and myths.  This opinion is based on the limited knowledge that they have acquired or discovered about the universe.  On the basis of their very limited knowledge of the unseen they have not found any evidence of Jinn.  Thus they think Jinn don't exist.  They cannot claim to possess any such knowledge either. But they have assumed without reason and proof that nothing exists in the universe except what they can see whereas the sphere of human perceptions as against the vastness of this great universe is not even comparable to a drop of water in the ocean.  The person who thinks that whatever he does not perceive does not exist and what exists must necessarily be perceived in fact provides a proof of his own limited and shallow mind.  


Th above has been well said by Syed Maududi, and this is the main problem with most people.  This issue has also very articulately been expressed in the following Quranic verse.

Nay, but they denied that, the knowledge whereof they could not compass, and whereof the interpretation (in events) hath not yet come unto them. Even so did those before them deny. Then see what was the consequence for the wrong-doers!  10:39




Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quraan
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on September 09, 2008, 12:14:12 am


Thank you sister.  I enjoyed going thru this article.  Jinn is a very very real existence. 

As far as I know, the verses 17 and 18 of Surah Al-Hijr also hint upon Jinn.

16. And verily in the heaven we have set mansions of the stars, and We have beautified it for beholders.

17. And We have guarded it from every outcast devil,

18. Save him who stealeth the hearing, and them doth a clear flame pursue.   (15:16-18)  Al-Hijr




Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on October 21, 2016, 10:51:19 am


Salam all.  Was reading Surah An-Naml last night and while reading Verses 27:39-40 it struck me that the Quran reveals one more characteristic of the jinn which is of course bestowed on them by Allah.  This could be interpreted, from the human view point, as the jinn's ability to perform miracles such as performing a task in a moment which would be lengthy and cumbersome for humans. There are 2 Verses in Surah An-Naml that refer to this aspect, Verses 39 and 40 quoting below.

"A stalwart of the jinn said: I will bring it you before you can rise from your place. Lo! I verily am strong and trusty for such work."  (27:39)



"One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture said: I will bring it you before your gaze returns unto you. And when he saw it set in his presence, (Solomon) said: This is of the bounty of my Rab, that He may try me whether I give thanks or am ungrateful. Whosoever gives thanks he only gives thanks for (the good of) his own soul; and whosoever is ungrateful (is ungrateful only to his own soul's hurt). For lo! my Rab is Absolute in independence, Bountiful."   (27:40)



Quite obviously, in both Verses the reference is to an unusual ability of jinn (who worked for Prophet Solomon pbuh) ... getting the queen's throne hundred of miles away in a few seconds.  For humans it would be impossible to do this.

Your opinion please.


Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on October 21, 2016, 11:31:26 am


Wa'salam Sis Ruhi. 

That's great observation.   Agree totally.

I also did a quick research after reading your post. 

Concerning Verse 27:39, it's unanimously agreed by all Muslim commentators that the individual is a jin. About Verse 27:40 some have come up with a debatable explanation claiming that it's a human being and not a jin who performed this miracle through his knowledge of the Scripture. For example Abu Alaa Maududi is of this opinion.  But it goes against the substance of Verse 27:40.  There's no evidence in this Verse stating nor hinting that it's a human being and not jinn who could perform such a miraculous task from the standpoint of the human capacity.  Maududi admits that it's not known which former Scripture the Quran refers to that this individual had read .. apparently some Divine Message that came prior to the time of Prophet Solomon to one of his predecessors.  But there's no Quranic indication anywhere that knowledge of the Scripture can give humans any such ability beyond their natural capacity. One of the preceding Verses of this Surah, Verse 27:17, does state that those who worked for Prophet Solomon were both jinn and humankind.  However, the contents of the Quranic narration as we read along Verses 27:39-40 clearly refer to jinn. 

Thanks for bringing up this informative point, Sis.




Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on October 21, 2016, 11:43:42 am


O thanks Sis.  That was interesting.  Right, I too don't see any Quranic evidence for Maududi's assumption.


Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on March 19, 2019, 07:41:42 am


Salams again to all.  Returning to this thread after pretty long time. 

Was reading Surah Fussilat and Verse 41:25 rung a bell.

"And We assigned them comrades (in the world), who made their present and their past fair seeming unto them. And the Word concerning nations of the jinn and humankind who passed away before them has effect for them. Indeed! they were ever losers."  (41:25).  

So this obviously means that jinn (like humans) also pass away or die.   But we don't know if jinn have the same life span as humans.  Right?




Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on March 19, 2019, 07:45:05 am


Yeah sis, definitely jinn also die like humans and as you rightly assumed, we don't know if their average span of life is the same as humans or longer or shorter.  Only Allah knows that.    Some jinn are Muslims and some are not.   For example take a look at Verse 14 of Surah Al-Jinn.  Allah tells us that some of the jinn said  “And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust. And whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully."  (72:14).

Needless to say, the ahadith and other non-Quranic sources have come up with so many little tales and myths that this post would get too lengthy if I get into all of that nor is it worth the time.  The commonest of hadith tale on jinn is that they live in bathrooms, toilets, garbage dumps and dunghills.   Another fib claims jinn also need to eat like humans but they also live on dirty food, mostly leftover scraps from humans.   While it's likely jinn may also require food like humans - and only Allah knows best - that bit about jinn surviving on filthy leftover foods of humans is one big guesswork and fabrication.   Just ignore these non-Quranic stuff.






Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on March 19, 2019, 07:52:07 am


According to hadith each time you enter the washroom, you must say the dua  "O Allah, I seek Refuge with You from all offensive and wicked things [evil deeds and evil spirits]."

Well, for sure we need refuge with Allah throughout our lives.  There are so many places in life we cannot avoid that are dangerous, so many responsibilities we have to shoulder in life that are fraught with risks.   Yet it seems like the most dangerous or risky place according to hadith is a place as benign as the bathroom or toilet of your own home. 



Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on March 19, 2019, 07:54:51 am

You're right brother.  Hadith seems to have an inexplicable phobia of bathrooms and toilets of one's home. 

If the jinn so stubbornly loves to dwell in toilets and bathrooms, why would it be so difficult for those jinn to also step out of those toilets and bathrooms and loiter around the house?


Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on March 19, 2019, 08:01:15 am


That's right.  Hadithists haven't explained that. 

Moreover, I was reading an article on Khaleej Times (https://www.khaleejtimes.com/editorials-columns/those-who-reside-in-the-world-of-the-unknown) a few months ago and I came across two very illogical presumptions very much clashing with Quranic values.   First it said that jinn sometimes harm humans with the permission of Allah.  AstafhfarAllah.  Allah tells us in the Quran to guard ourselves from evil jinn.  But that article twisted it around to such abomination.   I need to seek refuge in Allah from the evil gossips of so-called Muslims.  If Allah decides to punish any of the humans for their wrong doing, He punishes the disobedient ones directly as He Wills.  He does not need to implement punishment through the jinn.

The second fiction is,  every single human has a ‘Qareen’ or a companion in the form of a Jinn. Even non-Muslims have a jinn companion as per Allah’s leave. The companion jinn may be good or evil, follow our religious beliefs or not. There is no way of knowing.   This was also mentioned in the same Khaleej Times article.

But where does the Noble Quran say such a thing so that for these people to fabricate their tales?  They have used Verses 50:27-29 to justify this notion.    But these Verses do not speak of any jinn qareen accompanying humans all the time.  I quote the Verses as follows:

“His companion (Qareen) will say: "Our Lord! I did not push him to transgress, (in disbelief, oppression, and evil deeds) but he was himself in error far astray.” Allah will say: "Dispute not in front of me, I had already, in advance, sent you the threat. The sentence that comes from me cannot be changed, and I am not unjust (to the least) to the slaves." (50:27-29).

I repeat, Verses 50:27-29 DO NOT allude to Jinn.  There are many similar Verses in the Noble Quran which demonstrate the company of the evil who will experience remorse and fear on the Day of Judgement.  In earthly life these people used to be companions and friends of each other.  On the Day they are raised, they will wrangle with each other, blame each other, and beg Allah for forgiveness.   Indeed, on that Day those brought before Allah will be a mix of humans and jinn as both are accountable for their deeds.  However, there's no Quranic assertion that it's mandatory for every human to have a jinn qareen (companion).   This comes from outside the Quran;  could be from Hadith or any other similar fabrication.   These extra-Quranic sources have zero compatibility with the Sole Criterion, The Noble Quran.

In accordance with the Authority of the Noble Quran - which is the only one we follow - those who accompany humans all the time in this earthly world are the recording angels as per the commandment of Allah.  These angels are named as كراماً كاتبين  or "honorable recorders." (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=4530.0)
 



Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on March 19, 2019, 08:07:39 am


Oh!   I never knew of those two fictions you mentioned in your first two paragraphs.  Agree with your analysis 100%. 

Yes, the two recording angels are the only ones sent by Allah to accompany humans all the time as confirmed by Him.




Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Zeynab on March 19, 2019, 08:14:08 am


Very, very informative thread for our guest readers.   

There is another tale I read in Economist (https://www.economist.com/special-report/2006/12/19/born-of-fire) some years ago about a hill in Somalia with a small opening or a crack somewhere in it which is the home of jinn.  Be still more careful.   When these western sources write such stories, they don't refer to the real jinn whose presence in this planet has been confirmed by the Noble Quran.   Their reference is to the fantasy idea of "genies" coming out from a bottle kind of fiction.  Let me quote that passage from Economist.

Quote:
"There is a cleft in a stone hill outside Qardho, in northern Somalia, which even the hardest gunmen and frankincense merchants avoid. In the cool dark, out of the bleached sunshine, there is a pit, a kind of Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole, which is said to swirl down into the world of jinn. Locals say jinn—genies, that is—fade in and out above the pit. Sometimes they shift into forms of ostriches and run out over the desert scrub.
Unquote:

Qarzo (قرضو‎) ) is a place in north-eastern Somalia.  Okay, now it's very likely that this stone hill is inhabited by jinn.  But jinn don't necessarily live in clefts or borrows.  Jinn can live anywhere like humans.  They sure do roam around everywhere and that's how the evil jinn are available to misguide or incite humans.   A jin can be loitering across a field, it can be on a hill or inside a cave, or it can sneak inside your plush home.   Sometimes they might unexpectedly be visible to humans, but many a times not.  Sometimes you may see a jin but not know it's a jin.   So you can perceive the dramatization in the above paragraph, addressing the pit where "genies" swirl down as the "world of jinn."   These type of stories can have a very confusing impact on someone who is trying to understand the truth about jinn as elucidated in the Noble Quran.   Such stories are a spot-on example of mixing fiction with truth.





Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on March 19, 2019, 08:21:07 am


Absolutely get your point.  I think the story may partly be true, in that, this particular place and the hill might be a favorite spot of some among the jinn community of this planet.  Many a times with sudden, unexpected sightings of jinn, such places are felt spooky by humans so they try not to go there especially after dark.    But I can see, Economist has decorated it with frills of  "Alice in Wonderland" kind of pit and the "genies" (there it goes into fiction) swirling into the pit and going down in the world of jinn.  This is exactly the same sham fabricated notion as "a genie in a bottle."   You got it right Sister Zeynab.  This place could be popular with some jinn, only Allah would know best.  But Economist is trying to spice it up with Western fantasies. 

Readers need to be very discerning to stay on the path of truth .. and you can only help yourself if you have good knowledge of Quranic contents on jinn.



Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on March 19, 2019, 08:26:59 am


Didn't know of this Somalia story either.   Yes it could be partly true.  But Economist has mixed it up with pieces of its own fantasies to amuse readers.


Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on March 20, 2019, 12:24:32 am


Btw, briefly touching the hadith's jinn & bathroom issue again ....

Some hadithists also use Verse 7:27 to refer to jinn in the bathroom.

"O Children of Adam!  Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them.   Indeed! he sees you, he and his tribe, from whence you see him not.  Indeed! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not."  (7:27)  Surah Al-Araf.

My reply to them:  Stop fabricating folks.  This Verse does not allude to jinn hiding in the bathroom or garbage dumps.  In this Verse, Allah Almighty is warning and advising us on the importance of fighting off Satan's temptations.   Satan and his friends are silently clever in enticing humans to the path of sin.  They lure humans in such a way that unless their Faith is truly strong, they are unable to grasp nor perceive the evil they are invited to. 

Furthermore, the underlined portion of Verse 7:27 may also have been utilized by extra-Quranic sources to refer to a jinn qareen accompanying every human.  But again, Verse 7:27 does not refer to that at all.  This simply means that just as Allah Almighty is the Protector of the true believers, Satan and his friends are the protectors of disbelievers and hypocrites.




Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on March 20, 2019, 12:29:01 am


Yes of course, that's very well said Sister Heba. 

I'm just wondering, how did hadith twist around the misinterpretation to claim the "jinn living in bathrooms" connection with Verse 7:27?    Absolutely NO connection between that hadith concept and Verse 7:27.



Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on March 20, 2019, 12:41:19 am


Shokran and thanko to all my dearest folks.   Answer to my query and beyond, this is a great thread.  Alhumdulilah.

To all our guest readers, if you folks really want to know the truth about jinn, this is the thread you must explore.  Also look up the related posts.  You'll find every bit of info strictly in accordance with the contents of the Noble Quran.

-    Jinn not Ghosts (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=3482.0)
-    Why are Jinn categorized as paranormal? (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=4821.0)
-    Do Quranic recitations drive away evil jinn and Satan? (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=3209.0)
-    Difference between Jinn (true) and Ghost (false) (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=1503.0)
-    Allah Almighty confirmed Iblees is of the Jinn (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=2379.0)
-    Hadith views on Jinn not compatible with the Noble Quran (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=3250.0)
-    Can Jinn possess humans? (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=2414.0)
-    Does the word "jinn" have more than one definition in the Quran? (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=3596.0)




Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on March 26, 2019, 11:38:18 am

 

BismEm


"And [mention, O Muhammad], when We directed to you a few of the jinn, listening to the Qur'an.   And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly." And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners."   (46:29)

"They said, "O our people, indeed we have heard a [recited] Book revealed after Moses confirming what was before it which guides to the truth and to a straight path."   (46:30)



Okay ...... now tell me something folks.  In Verses 29 and 30 of Surah Al-Ahqaf, is the reference to jinn (the elemental spirit) or to foreigners.  Pickthall's commentary says that in old Arabic the term "jinn" can also mean foreigners.  And since, in Verse 30 of this Surah, the jinn mentioned the name of Prophet Moses (pbuh), some readers have opined that these were a Jewish group of people who came from some other land.

Also, if they were the actual jinn and not just foreign humans, did they meet the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) face to face?   I mean, did the Prophet know while meeting them that these were jinn and not humans?






Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on March 26, 2019, 11:54:09 am


No, I think these Verses refer to the real jinn, the elemental spirit.  The fact that one of the jin spoke of Prophet Moses respectfully apparently indicates that these jinn were submitters.  They believed in the former original Divine Scriptures, and so they recognized the Noble Quran as having the same Divine Source.

During his mission and while running the first Islamic state, the Prophet (pbuh) used to receive many delegations coming  to listen to Quranic recitations and to discuss the Quran.   Obviously, I would think, these jinn were in the presence of the Prophet (pbuh) and very likely the Prophet saw them as a group or in a crowd.  But whether or not the Prophet knew they were jinn is not possible to answer.  Only Allah would know that best.  After the revelation of these Verses of course the Prophet (pbuh) knew that there were some jinn present among the audience during this day as confirmed by Allah.   That's as much as can be known.


 


Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on March 26, 2019, 12:13:56 pm

I too think they were the real jinn, not human foreigners. 

Also I would opine at that time the Prophet (pbuh) couldn't have known they were jinn until the revelation of Verses 46:29-30.  The reason being that when jinn appear before humans, they appear in very much the human form.

The aspect of meeting 'face to face' can have two interpretations - either meeting / seeing the jinn who were present in a crowd consisting of jinn and humans  OR specifically meeting a group of jinn with eye to eye contact.  Which of the two possibilities was true is only known to Allah.

As usual, hadith has made many stories on these Verses that are apparently baseless.  According to hadith, the Prophet (pbuh) met them 'face to face' (the eye to eye reference) and knew they were jinn.   But there is no evidence in these Verses to confirm these points. 

Quoting two hadith narrations linked with Verses 46:29-30:

"About one of these deputations Hadrat Abdullah bin Masud relates: "One day the Holy Prophet remained missing from Makkah for the whole night. We could not know his whereabouts and feared he might have been attacked by somebody. Early in the morning we saw him coming from the direction of Hira. On inquiring he said that a jinn had come to invite him and he had accompanied him and recited the Qur'an to a gathering of them there." (Muslim, Musnad Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Abu Da'ud).


"Hadrat Abdullah bin Masud has related another tradition, saying: "Once the Holy Prophet asked his Companions in Makkah as to which of them would accompany him that night to meet the jinns. I became ready to go with him. At a place in the upper quarters of Makkah the Holy Prophet drew a line and told me not to cross it. Then he went forward and stood and began to recite the Qur'an. I saw that a number of the people had gathered around him and they stood between me and him."' (Ibn Jarir, Baihaqi: Dala`il an-Nubuwwat, Abu Nu`aim Isfahani: Dale Il an-Nubuwuat).


The above stories, and several other similar ones, are not reliable at all.  There are no Quranic references to such events.





Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on March 26, 2019, 12:19:13 pm


@ brother TS.  Interesting bit.  Just look how distant the hadith has stretched its stories ......


Title: Re: Jinn in the Noble Quran
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on March 26, 2019, 12:21:23 pm


That helped me to understand very well.