MUSLIM VILLA - QURAN ONLY

Well yes, all these unconfirmed details about Prophet Abraham's family relations come from the altered Christian Bible, Genesis 16:1-16 (Hagar and Ishmael).  I don't have the time to look for it now, but in a few days InshAllah, I'll put up this Bible story and Hadith which has plagiarised this idea. 

I'll first briefly touch the points which the Quran confirms and then those points which the Quran does not mention.  Eventually I'll sum up how we, as believers of the Quran only, must interpret the family relationships of Prophet Abraham. 

Sacredness of Safa and Marwa is mentioned in the Quran in Verse 2:158
 
"Lo! (the mountains) Al-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of God) or visits it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is). And he who does good of his own accord (for him), Lo! Allah is Responsive {Ash-Shakir}, Aware {Al-`Alim}"   2:158  Al-Baqrah

Just the same way as the sacredness of Mount Arafat is also mentioned in Verse 2:198
 
"It is no sin for you that you seek the bounty of your Lord (by trading). But, when you press on in the multitude from Arafat, remember Allah by the sacred monument. Remember Him as He has guided you, although before you were of those astray"  2:198  Al-Baqrah

So, by reading the above verses, we learn and know that landmarks such as Safa, Marwa and Arafat are sacred from the time of Prophet Abraham.  But we are not told the precise historical events that took place in these places and contributed in making them sacred.  Therefore, we cannot presume about those stories mentioned in the altered Bible and Hadith.  Since the Quran does not mention the stories of Sarah and Hagar, we cannot take them as confirmations from the changed and man-written Bible and Hadith. 

Of Prophet Abraham's immediate family, the Quran only mentions the names of the two sons of Abraham, Ishmael (Ismail) and Isaac (Ishaq).  By reading Verses 37:100-113, it's apparent that Ismael was the older son. 
 
The Quran does not mention the names of Abraham's wife or wives.  Neither the name Sarah (Sarai) nor the name Hagar are stated anywhere in the Quran.   The Quran never mentions that Prophet Abraham had a slavegirl in  his household nor that the slavegirl was the mother of one of his sons. 

The Quran makes absolutely no mention that Prophet Abraham abandoned one of his sons and his mother in the desert neither does the Quran refer that Allah commanded him to do that.   The Quran only contains the information that Allah Almighty told Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son.  This was not a command but only a test of Abraham's faith.  Hence when Prophet Abraham proved the strength of his faith in Allah by showing his willingness to do what he was told, Allah at once stopped him from sacrificing his son and placed a sheep in its stead.

The Quran does not state about any Prophet having a slave or slaves in their households.  Take the example of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).  Zaid, the Prophet's adopted son was a freed slave.  Bilal, a black slave, was freed after he became acquainted with the Prophet and embraced Islam.  Marya, a Coptic slave of Egypt embraced Islam was made a free woman before she married the Prophet,  being known as the 'mother of believers' along with the other wives of the Prophet.   You will read many non-Muslim accounts and also the writings of some hardline traditionalist Muslims who say or surmise that Marya was a concubine.  Not true at all.  Even though in that era, intimacy with a slavegirl was legal as in the case with one's spouse, Marya was neither a slave nor a concubine.  She was legally married to the Prophet and was a free woman.  A very thorough Muslim historian, Sheikh Abdul Majid Subh, states: "Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), instead of taking concubines, entered into lawful marriages based on reason and wisdom. Maria the Copt was given to him as a present, but rather than taking her as a concubine, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) married her, thus elevating her status by marriage.”   This opinion is supported by all unbiased Muslim and non-Muslim analysts.  Not to mention, the Quran forbids concubines and there's no question that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) nor any of the Prophets would take concubines.

" .. the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honour, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines."  5:5 Al-Maidah

Coming to the crux of the matter and the answer to your question on Prophet Abraham's immediate family relationships, as Muslims who adhere to the Glorious Quran only, we cannot go into any personal or family gossips of any of the Prophets simply because the Quran does not give us any reasons nor evidences to do that.  In the case of Prophet Abraham, as believers we can only accept and teach others the following aspects ....

Prophet Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.  Isaac was born when Abraham and his wife were elderly. 

"And his wife, standing by laughed when We gave her good tidings (of the birth) of Isaac, and, after Isaac, of Jacob.
She said: Oh woe is me! Shall I bear a child when I am an old woman, and this my husband is an old man ? Lo! this is a strange thing!" 
They said: Wonderest thou at the commandment of Allah ? The mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, O people of the house! Lo! He is Owner of Praise, Owner of Glory!"
11:71-73

Ishmael was apparently born earlier.  Check Verses 37:100-113.  No details about Ishmael's mother are given in the Quran.  Whether Ishmael's mother was the same as Isaac's or someone else, only Allah knows best.  Since Allah has not mentioned these details, this does NOT give us the authority to start speculating and picking up guesswork-confirmations from the altered Bible and the faked Hadiths.   Abraham with his son (or sons) lived in Makkah and built the Kaabah, the first place ever constructed for the worship of Allah Almighty alone.  Prior to living in Makkah, we do not know where Abraham and his family lived, because again, the Quran does not mention it.  We know that Prophets Jacob and Joseph were the direct descendents of Prophet Isaac, son of Prophet Abraham.   This is all that we should be talking about and teaching others concerning the family of Prophet Abraham.

Good sister Heba.  you have dissected this well in order to segregate truth from guesswork.


Also well put.  Just let me add, according to reports, Maria was a slave when she was sent from Egypt but made a free woman before being married to the Prophet (S).

Here let me also warn, the Hadith has plenty of gossips on this story.  People like Tabari etc.  have said a lot of the usual, completely unsupportive stuff, like Maria was very beautiful and white in color (these hadith writers are very color prejudiced and for them, fair skin color is symbolic of beauty), although Maria was from Egypt and by far the majority of people in that country do not have a very fair skin at all.  And then in the writings of many hadith writers abounds those usual stories that Aisha got jealous and hurt, and that Aisha kept observing how much attention Maria was getting and that Maria was gettin quite a lot of attention from the Prophet and all that kinda cheap tattletale gossips and lies.  So just beware while reading the writings of these so-called ulema idiots.  They have written a lot of wrong things on this issue by spicing it up as they have done with all other issues. 

Yes brother Persian, that's what I meant .... she was a slave but was a free woman at the eve of her marriage. 


However, the above version which I've stated, let's keep in mind, it's from the bungled "history" that's made up by the same people who have narrated & written the hadiths.  Just as 99.9% of Biblical history is DEEPLY controversial, it's the same with the so-called Hadithist "history."   You can't trust a darn thing you read  of the stuff authored by those infamous names - "Tabari, Ibn Kathir, Bukhari, Muslim, Nesai, Tirmidhi" and many more.  Islamic history has been tampered with so much that for most issues it's impossible to get the truth.  You can either get the lies of the Hadith narrators / writers or the lies of the Islamophobe orientalists.  So, whether Marya was really a slave or a free woman by birth when she married the Prophet (SAW) like his other wives is only known to Allah.  But the possibility of her being a free woman by birth is very high. 

And, now to let you know the source of this gossipy story about Hagar being a slavegirl mistress of Prophet Abraham and mother of one of his sons, Ishmael comes from the following Biblical story which is very definitely altered and written by human hands in accordance with the ideas selected by the human minds. 

Genesis 16 : 1 - 16  (Hagar and Ishmael)
1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her."  Abram agreed to what Sarai said. 3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.  When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me."  6 "Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her whatever you think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.  7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"  "I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.  9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." 10 The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."  11 The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward  all his brothers."  13 She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the GOD who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me." 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi ; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.  15 So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. 16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.

And below is the Bukhari hadith plagiarized from the Bible story quoted above.  The hadith elaborates a bit on Hagar getting paniky for her child and running around for water till she finds it.  But otherwise it's exactly the same thing and this Hadith originates from the lines of the Bible quoted.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 584: Narrated Ibn Abbas:
When Abraham had differences with his wife), (because of her jealousy of Hajar, Ishmael's mother), he took Ishmael and his mother and went away. They had a water-skin with them containing some water, Ishmael's mother used to drink water from the water-skin so that her milk would increase for her child. When Abraham reached Mecca, he made her sit under a tree and afterwards returned home. Ishmael's mother followed him, and when they reached Kada', she called him from behind, 'O Abraham! To whom are you leaving us?' He replied, '(I am leaving you) to GOD’s (Care).' She said, 'I am satisfied to be with GOD.' She returned to her place and started drinking water from the water-skin, and her milk increased for her child. When the water had all been used up, she said to herself, 'I'd better go and look so that I may see somebody.' She ascended the Safa mountain and looked, hoping to see somebody, but in vain. When she came down to the valley, she ran till she reached the Marwa mountain. She ran to and fro (between the two mountains) many times. They she said to herself, 'i'd better go and see the state of the child,' she went and found it in a state of one on the point of dying. She could not endure to watch it dying and said (to herself), 'If I go and look, I may find somebody.' She went and ascended the Safa mountain and looked for a long while but could not find anybody. Thus she completed seven rounds (of running) between Safa and Marwa. Again she said (to herself), 'I'd better go back and see the state of the child.' But suddenly she heard a voice, and she said to that strange voice, 'Help us if you can offer any help.' Lo! It was Gabriel (who had made the voice). Gabriel hit the earth with his heel like this (Ibn 'Abbas hit the earth with his heel to Illustrate it), and so the water gushed out. Ishmael's mother was astonished and started digging. 

Ibn Abbas has babbled even more in this (http://seasonsali.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/the-story-of-the-prophet-ibrahim-his-wife-hajar/) Hadith, a story with no connections with the Noble Quran. 

In Verse 21:71 Allah states about Abraham and Lot: "And We rescued him and Lot (and brought them) to the land which We have blessed for (all) peoples."
As I've mentioned in my response to sister Rose, we know as per the contents of the Quran that Abraham came to Makkah but we don't know the name of the place where he lived prior to that.  But our so-called scholars are taking Verse 21:71 as a reference to Abraham and Lot moving from Mesopotamia (Babylon) to Syria and Palestine.  Obviously this information got to be from the Bible which then must have jumped over to the Hadith.  The Noble Quran makes no such precise assertions. 

Wherever you may read the "history" of Prophet Abraham written by Muslim writers, you will find it identical to the Bible version of this story mixed with the "Muslim bible of Hadith," the two being strikingly similar.

Also, my husband was doing some research on this topic at my request and he came across another Bible gossip about Prophet Abraham that he also had a third woman, another concubine named Keturah.  The Muslims also believe in it.  I am not sure if the Muslims believe in this story of Keturah directly from the Christian bible or whether their Hadith "bible" also mentions something on Keturah.  After my husband finds out about this bible drama, I'll find out from him put it up here.  One thing is sure.  This Keturah, whoever she was, again has NO connections with Quranic information. 

I spent all evening carefully and gradually reading this thread and educating myself with Sister Heba's intelligent analysis.  MashAllah.  Thus, I didn't get any time to work shifting posts at the 'politics' board :)  I'll be comin back here again tomorrow, InshAllah.  Sister, do please put up the Keturah episode.  I never knew about this and still don't.  Waiting to get some info.  Sister Rose, thanks for this very useful question.  Br. PT is absolutely right.  Regarding the story of Marya, it's filled with scandalous gossips and chatterings.  I've come across plenty of that. 

Aw!  thanks for the deletion sis.

 btw - before putting in more info on Bible / Hadith LIES


 Just like to clarify this bit.  when Sarai says she gave her Egptian maidservant Hagar to her husband to be his "wife" is simply a way of saying (or altered bible style of writing) meaning to live with him like a wife for practical purposes.  It doesn't mean she suggested that her husband legally marry Hagar.  Thus, this altered bible also quotes Sarai saying ""The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; .."

Also don't forget, the different bible versions and even same version of the bible are all infested with contradictions.

ANOTHER BIBLE LIE ABOUT PROPHET IBRAHIM (PBUH).  I AM NOT SURE IF THE 'MUSLIMS' ALSO BELIEVE IN THIS AS THEY BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING WHAT THE MAN-WRITTEN BIBLE WRITES AND THE MAN-WRITTEN HADITH BORROWS, BUT THEY TOTALLY IGNORE THE NOBLE QURAN.  'MUSLIMS' TODAY HAVE THE QURAN, BUT STILL THEY GO TO THE ALTERED SCRIPTURES FOR INFORMATION.  WOE UNTO THEM!

The Bible writers have even gone to the extent of accusing Prophet Abraham of incest.  They have said that Sarah whom he married was his "half sister."  AstaghfarAllah!!!!   The story goes that Sarah who was very beautiful, Abraham purposely lied about her to the Pharoah of Egypt saying that she was his sister and not his wife, otherwise the Pharoah would order to kill Abraham in order to acquire Sarah as his mistress.  I don't understand the logic behind this man-made story.  If the Pharoah wanted Sarah and her 'brother' objected to it, he too could get eliminated.  So, what's the big idea of masquerading as a 'brother?'  Also, if he said he was her brother, how would that help him to stop Pharoah from taking Sarah?  However, the bible story continues by claiming that God suddenly changed Abram and Sarai's names to Abraham and Sarah, respectively.  Then Abraham lies to Pharoah (who's name the bible mentions as Abimelech) saying that Sarah is his sister.  But before Pharoah Abimelech touches Sarah, he has a dream in which God tells him that Sarah is Abraham's wife and he should return her to Abraham.  And so Sarah is given back to Abraham.  But afterwards when Abraham speaks to Abimelech, he tells him that he had not exactly lied because Sarah is his biological half-sister.  For references see the following bible quotes.

Genesis 17:15 - And God said unto Abraham: 'As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.

Genesis 20:11 - And Abraham said: 'Because I thought: Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
Genesis 20:12 - And moreover she is indeed my sister, the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and so she became my wife.

The Jewish assumption according to their altered scriptures is that Sarah was biologically Abraham's cousin. 

Complete damned mess with a net of LIES! 

Now please tell me my 'Muslim' brothers and sisters, how much of these falsehoods have your jans, Bukhari, Tabari etc. borrowed which you are proud of and in preference of which you disregard the Noble Quran?

Correct, I already figured this out. 


Exactly!  In fact, there's a verse in the Quran where Allah (Subhana wa'Taala) rubukes the Jews and Christians by saying (I paraphrase the meaning) that even though they have their Scriptures yet they don't consult it for a law or for information.  Apparently, in the 7th century the Torah and Gospel wasn't changed as much as it has been changed now.  So at that time the People of the Scripture could have consulted their Books for resolving many of their issues but they didn't.  The Muslims at present, though they have the Quran fully original and intact, yet won't bother to consult it and instead they  prefer man-made fabricated stories to factual & confirmed information of the Quran.  Instead of consulting the Quran as furqan, they consult the man-written lies as their so-called furqan along with the Jews and Christians.  How pathetic.


 :o  :o  :o  :o   This lie leaves me aghast!!!!
 


heheeeheheehe!!!!!  Bukhari & co. "jaans"  have borrowed just about everything which our poor retarded sisters and brothers are sniffing and following like cats & dogs, without lifting up their heads even once to check how much of the falsehoods they have been swallowing and thus gettin fatter by the day   :D

Me, also waiting to read the info on Prophet Ibrahim's so-called third wife, Katura (or whoever).  Any hadiths on it as well, or is it a 'concentrated' bible gossip?

Right on the dot!  a very fitting comment, sister.  Allah (The Most High) has absolutely asserted this point about the Jews and Christians during the Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) era, and the so-called Muslims are observing the same practice now concerning the Noble Quran - ignoring the Quran and running after the writings of priests and imams.

And yes, I will certainly put up the information on Keturah.  Somehow I think the Hadith thieves missed the details on Keturah forged by the Biblers.  I haven't yet read any Hadith mentioning her name.  However, I have found comments by Muslims on the web acknowledging their recognition of this information. 

I briefly know the bible story of Ketura.  I read it in a journal several years ago.  But I never gave any importance to it.  It's thoroughly unreliable.  The purpose of this apparently contrived story is to show Prophet Abraham's greatness not through his righteous character, but on the basis of the number of sons he had.  The Ketura story says that apart from Ismail and Ishaq, Prophet Ibrahim had about 6 or 7 sons from Ketura.  According to pagan ideas having sons was supposed to be a sign of greatness and keeping one's family name going.  Jews and Christians who bounced back into paganism and began being influenced by these superficial values perhaps thought that with only Ismail and Ishaq, Prophet Ibrahim's family wasn't big enough to show his greatness.   There's also a contradiction in the bible regarding this story.  Some versions say she was Prophet Ibrahim's concubine while a few other versions say she was his third wife. 

The Noble Quran has discussed the descendents of Prophet Ibrahim in much detail starting from Ishmael, Ishaq, Yakub (Jacob), Ishaq's son and Yusuf (Joseph), one of the sons of Yakub.  But there's no mention of Prophet Ibrahim have 6 or 7 other sons.  If it was true, I have no doubt that Allah (Subhana wa'Taala) would have given this information in the Quran or at least a reference to it.

Very interesting perception brother Pt.  And yes, very correct.  There's a contradiction in the Bible on this issue.  Nothing unusual.  Different Bible versions contradict each other on every issue under the sun!

One version says Keturah was Abraham's "wife" and another version says she was his "concubine."

GENESIS 25:1 says: "Then again Abraham took a WIFE, and her name was Keturah."

Then, I CHRONICLES 1:32 says: "The sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine"

Some Bible apologists sheepishly claim that maybe she was Abraham's concubine at first and then got married and became his wife.   If she got married to Abraham later, why is the gossipy Bible so silent about it?  The Bible makes a scandal and story about everything from nothing.  If she later got married to Abraham,  I would expect the 'Bible paparazzi' to forge another story in one of the Bible versions celebrating Abraham's marriage to Keturah. 

Sister Heba thanks for exposing this point.  and Sis Zeynab, very correctly perceived.  There's always been a problem with bible writers.  In the old days they were flat-out liars who changed the Divine Scripture with their own hands by writing their own stories.  Today, they are the same, plus, still more stupid b'coz the interpretations of their lies have no bearings on social environments of the different historical eras.  They think and explain everything based on modern ideas.   

Also let me state here that the Quran gave female slaves the right to reject physical intimacy with their masters if that's what they wanted.  No other law had ever granted this right to female slaves .. not even the African slaves in America until 300 years ago could refuse physical intimacy with their masters. 

A couple of days ago, while browsing the web, I bumped into a discussion by that kafir, Sam Shamoun of the anti-Islam website, Answering-Islam.  He was told by a Muslim about this contradiction in the bible regarding Keturah being Abraham's wife as well as concubine.  Shamoun tried to refute it but failed miserably. 

On being told about the contradiction (btw, this is just one of the many contradictions in the altered bible versions), Shamoun responded as follows by first quoting that bible verse.

"Abraham took another wife, whose name was Keturah. She bore him Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah. Jokshan was the father of Sheba and Dedan; the descendants of Dedan were the Asshurites, the Letushites and the Leummites. The sons of Midian were Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida and Eldaah. All these were descendants of Keturah. Abraham left everything he owned to Isaac. But while he was still living, he gave gifts to the sons of his CONCUBINES and sent them away from his son Isaac to the land of the east."  [Genesis 25]

And then, here's what Sam Shamoun said to save his face, his so-called rebuttal full of holes and senseless talk!

"..... The other concubine obviously refers to Hagar, Ishmael's mother. The fact that the author could refer to Keturah as a wife and concubine in the very same chapter demonstrates how desperate MENJ is to find a contradiction when none actually exists."


Now, please check the altered Bible lines quoted by Shamoun above, and look at the underlined words.

The Christian clerics who scribbled the above bible lines weren't just liars but bird-brained liars.  The contradiction is too glaring even for a retard to ignore.  At the start, Keturah is referred as Abraham's "wife."   Then later, quoting the lines "he gave gifts to the sons of his concubines"  refers to two concubines, Keturah and Hagar.  According to the false stories  of the manipulative Bible writers and their chinese whispers, Keturah and Hagar were the two concubines of Abraham.  At the same time, according to them, Keturah was also a wife.  These Chinese whisperers couldn't even avoid a contradiciton in a single paragraph!
 
Not to mention, all these stories giving names such as Sarah (formerly Sarai), Hagar and Keturah are big fat guessworks.  The only two members of Prophet Ibrahim's family whose names we know for sure are Ishaq (Isaac) and Ismail (Ishmael) as mentioned in the Noble Quran - the only, and only, Divine Book, original and intact in a "Guarded Tablet."

Sorry for the delay.  Here's the complete information on Keturah from the altered bible and how much of it the so-called Muslims accept. 

Just read the following as a man-written story because nothing of it is confirmed in the Quran. 

Genesis 25:1 "Abraham took another wife, whose name was Keturah. 2 She bore him Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. 3 Jokshan fathered Sheba and Dedan. The sons of Dedan were Asshurim, Letushim, and Leummim. 4 The sons of Midian were Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida, and Eldaah. All these were the children of Keturah. 5 Abraham gave all he had to Isaac. 6 But to the sons of his concubines Abraham gave gifts, and while he was still living he sent them away from his son Isaac, eastward to the east country.  7 These are the days of the years of Abraham's life, 175 years."

1Chronicles 1:32 "Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan."

1Chronicles 1:33 And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Henoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these [are] the sons of Keturah.

Keturah is specifically referred to as “Abraham’s concubine” at 1 Chronicles 1:32, and quite apparently she and Hagar are referred at Genesis 25:6 where reference is made to the sons of Abraham’s “concubines.”  According to the bible writers, Keturah was therefore a concubine or mistress who never attained the same position as wife.  While “Abraham gave everything he had to Isaac,” his son, he gave gifts to the sons of his concubines and then “sent them away from Isaac" eastward or to the land of the east .. whatever that means.

It has been contended by some bible readers that Abraham took Keturah as a concubine prior to Sarah’s death.  But all guesswork.  According to the man-written bible stories, Abraham lived for 35 years after his wife, Sarah's death, and he died at age 175.  Some bible apologists claim that perhaps Abraham took Keturah as wife after Sarah's death.  But there are no such indications in the altered bibles.

Hence, the above is the sticky bible mess on Prophet Abraham's so-called concubine cum third wife, named Keturah.

Now, as an evidence to show that the Muslims also believe in the story of Keturah even though the Glorious Quran does NOT mention it at all, let me quote a response from Yahoo Q&A piece where a Muslim asks a question on this topic from another Muslim, who's supposed to be knowledgeable. It shows that these so-called Muslims have almost identical views as Christians, expanded by additional contrived nonsense, ignroance and utter stupidity! 

QUOTE

Ibrahim married Keturah by a direct order from Allah (SWT)

Ibrahim was a kind hearted man.. so he used to love by all his heart.. So Allah (SWT) ordered him to slaughter his son "slaughter the extraordinary love to his son" as the prophet must save the most of his love to Allah...

As Ibrahim began to bear extraordinary love to his wives .. Allah ordered him to marry Keturah so as to balance his feelings between the love of his wives and the love of Allah SWT.

Marrying more than one wife - in the view of Al Ghazali - is meant to prevent making the man fond of one woman beside Allah Sobhanaho wa Ta'ala as this is not proper.

Keturah was not incapable of having children.. Keturah had six boys....

UNQUOTE

This guy, a so-called Muslim who's supposed to be giving information on Abraham and Keturah is primarily wanting to explain why Abraham took a third wife by borrowing information from the bible stories and mixing it up with his own ideas.  Note that he talks about Keturah as "wife" not mistress.  This is the only point where he differs from the bible.

Let's check how far his views conform with the conents of the Glorious Quran on Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and his family.

-  He starts by saying: "Ibrahim married Keturah by a direct order from Allah (SWT)"    Not true at all.

-  Then he says: "Ibrahim was a kind hearted man.. so he used to love by all his heart.. So Allah (SWT) ordered him to slaughter his son "slaughter the extraordinary love to his son" as the prophet must save the most of his love to Allah..."    Yes, Prophet Ibrahim was a kind hearted man, that's true.  But Allah did not order Prophet Ibrahim to "slaughter" Ibrahim's son in order to finish the extraordinary love for his son.  In fact, this was not an "order" at all.  It was only a test from Allah for Ibrahim, and Allah never meant to let Ibrahim carry it out. 

-  Next, the author writes: "As Ibrahim began to bear extraordinary love to his wives .. Allah ordered him to marry Keturah so as to balance his feelings between the love of his wives and the love of Allah SWT."   The author is trying to say that Allah ordered Ibrahim to marry Keturah to balance his love between Sarah and Hagar so that Irahim does not forget his love for Allah.  Needless to say, this explanation is complete nonsense.  The Quran does not mention nor even remotely hint on any such ideas.

- Then the author writes: "Marrying more than one wife, in the view of Al Ghazali, is meant to prevent making the man fond of one woman beside Allah (SWT) as this is not proper."    Total rubbish!  Moreover, no one cares about Ghazali's views.

-  Finally, the author writes:  "Keturah was not incapable of having children .. Keturah had six boys."   Thus, he concludes by agreeing with the story of the  altered bible which is NOT confirmed by the Glorious Quran.

Thus, these are the stories of the changed bible on Prophet Ibrahim's "concubine" or third "wife, which the "Muslims" accept by mixing it up with bits of their own ideas.  This is how little most "Muslims" consult the Glorious Quran and how much more they rely on the altered Bible.

Sam Shamoun of that fraud website is a notorious and unknowledgeable liar and Islam-hater.  How can he come up with this type of response to refute the contradiction?  That bible quote under discussion definitely refers to both Keturah and Hagar, after stating Keturah as "wife" in the first sentence.  Along with the term "concubines" being in plural, "sons" is also mentioned in plural which means sons of both women.  If the reference was only to Hagar as Sam Shamoun wrongly suggests, then it should have been mentioned 'son' in singular as Hagar had just one son, Ishmael.  Also, the fact that both terms "concubines" and "sons" are in plural, it's definitely not a writing error but a genuine contradiction by the bible of its own story, as usual.

And thanks, dear sister, for the detailed information on Keturah.  Though I was quite shocked to read the views of that hadither 'Muslim' on Yahoo Q&A, I wasn't surprised.  Most of them prefer seeking information from the altered, man-written bible rather than the Divine Quran. 

wow! sister heba, very professionally covered ,, MaashAllah.  I was reading that bit very carefully and with interest, on the refutal of bible contradiction by Sam Shamoon.  His rejoinder was really sorrowful.  He knew it's a contradiction but was adamant to show otherwise, so in his state of embarrassment and nervousness, he made that quick and haphazard overview by explaining the plurals as singulars.  Sister zeynab, u caught that well  :D

I also observed that that apparent hadither, Muslim, at Yahoo Q & A site was similarly trying to hide that Keturah was a concubine.  He too, like that Shamoon guy, wanted to say she was his wife.  As a result, both of them were being evasive about that contradiction.  This is nothing new.  Hadith following Muslms have plenty of common grounds with orthodox Christians.  If there's ever a 3-way debate between a Hadither, a Christian like Shamoon and us, the so-called Hadither Muslim will waste no time joining hands with the Christian.  After all, the bulk of the stuff they follow have a common root.  

Thanks sister CAt for your very valuable contribution and your time.  May Allah take care of all of u.  Salaams.

 salamem


 :o :o


Astaghfirullah !!

damn how is it posible   ! prophets don't lie, prophets have No fear of any kafir prophet ibrahim (pbuh) purposely lied called his wife sister :o and send her to characterless king , to na mahram as concubine ? the mother of forthcoming Prophets ?  to save his own  life ?? otherwise the Pharoah would order to kill prophet ibrahim in order to acquire ibrahim's wife as his mistress  what a CRAP !!

Abu huraira attacked on the rank of prophet ibrahim .. ^:( Prophe Ibrahim was a great prophet and a messenger He holds two very prestigious titles as well. 1. Ibrahim is the father of Muslim nation ( 22.78). 2. He is a beloved friend of Allah [ 4.125.)

These  hadith inventors and enemies of Allah ,prophets and  Islam did not even bother to malign prophet Ibrahim’s great character !! ^:( ^:(

thanks sis heba for ur great knowledge and Intelligence Analysis in whole thread  :)

 Thumbsup

Mashallah guys Allah bless u . Truly Throughout very educative and informative piece thank u so much  :)

salam and peace to all