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Title: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on August 14, 2012, 03:52:10 am
This has gotten so persistent that I'm now quite sick of it.  All of our Muslim organizations in North America and Europe only keep asking for money but never talk of giving to the poor.  What about those Muslims who live strictly on a fixed budget?  Shouldn't they be given rather than be asked to give?   Furthermore, we are never even told nor given a break-up of where and how the donation money is spent.   Most organizations spend the money on renovating and beautifying our masjids, community centers and schools.  Our masjids need to be simple, neat and reasonably comfortable for worshipers.  I understand that.  But Allah Almighty has never said that our masjids must look like plush 5-star hotels with dazzling chandeliers, carpets, air-conditioners etc. for which millions of dollars are donated and spent every year.

During Ramadan in particular, these institutions find an excuse to go haywire.  Every day my husband and I get email newsletters from at least 3 institutes on average, asking for donations. 

They seem not to know (or pretend not to know) that the Muslim community living in the West are NOT all rolling in wealth.  Many are struggling within a very fixed budget who hardly have a few dollars left after meeting all their essential expenses by the end of every month.  Those running our masjids should be the first to think of this point, but they never.  How on earth do they expect people to contribute $30 or $50 or $100  or more in response to those dozens of requests sent on Ramadan and all other months ??   Why have I not yet come across a single Muslim organization that has made a list of all low income Muslims with an effort to help them in whatever way they can?  Even giving them a box of dates in Ramadan would help, if not financially then at least emotionally.  But all these selfish creatures can think of is MONEY, MONEY AND MONEY for themselves.   They forget, Allah is watching.

Today I get a message for Tayyibun Institute (UK) with headlines "Night for Burma."  For a moment I was impressed.  I thought it specifically meant special prayers for Burma (the poor Rohingyas) during the Qiyam-e-Leil prayers on Ramadan nights.  When I opened the message, it read:

"The event will include :-
Salatul Tarawih
Special Dua Qunoot
Snacks and drinks stall
"

Up to here is sounded very nice, then ....

"Fundraising: Please bring a mimimum of  100.  Your donations will be doubled."

That would be around $155. 

Such an inconsiderate attitude, being focused only on the rich, is another negative outcome of the Ummah for giving up the Quran. 


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on August 14, 2012, 04:03:58 am
Ahahahah  ;D   this has been going one for years with these guys.  Some of these institutes get pots of donations from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Dubai etc.  You'll find many of the imams and sheikhs running the institutes living the most affluent of lives without doing a stroke of work, neither full time nor part time.  Their kids go to private Muslim schools which cost a total $ 600/month/per child.  But they haven't yet set up a single private welfare project for low income Muslims including the widows and orphans of our community living abroad to take care of some of their needs.  It's mind boggling.


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on August 14, 2012, 04:15:18 am
 :D  and what do the Tayyibun guys mean by "your donations will be doubled" ?   Will the donors will paid $300 in the morning ?   They can't even keep the occasion of Qiyam-e-Lail on Lailatul Qadr free from the aspect of money. 


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on August 14, 2012, 04:27:25 am
heehehe .... good question.  Look at this image.  Here's what they mean.  On August 14th, Tuesday night (Leilatul Qadr), at some "Water Lily banqueting suite" they'll have a stall for snacks and drinks .. so they need $155 for every worshiper.  smart one, isn't it?   You're right.  Even on a night like this, they can't forget about money. 

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n81/Songbird_09/TayyibunEdit.jpg)


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on August 14, 2012, 04:30:03 am
Does this imply that each family will eat snacks worth $155  ?????   :::)  Not to mention, most don't come with their entire families .... just one or two members at most.


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on August 14, 2012, 04:42:02 am
 ;D  This reminds me of the true story of that Calgary imam and his "million dollar multi-faith walk" four years ago.   I request everyone to read that.  A standing proof of the sort of crooks we have around - seasoned thieves.  Can't trust them even with a nickel.

Calgary Imam's multi-faith walk against violence (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=1410.0)


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on August 14, 2012, 04:49:36 am
oh yes, this was a very enjoyable one  :D   this man apparently has no self-respect, no shame, no ghairah ....   really sad. 


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: muslima on August 14, 2012, 07:20:20 am
salam to all
thats what muslim organizations are Money,Donation to fill their own pockets, shame on them
asking for donations is safest and best way of robbery  :D welfare project for low income Muslims ??very difficult for such peoples serious and honest welfare projects they can't run


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Ozcan on August 14, 2012, 09:49:16 am
I never donate money to masjids here in the Netherlands. I donate online to relief organizations such as Islamicrelief. To be honest I don't even fully trust such organizations anymore. I really wish there was a way for us to directly give money or sadaqa to the poor....


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on August 17, 2012, 01:50:25 am
@ Muslima .. exactly ,, in other words it's plain & simple robbery.  I'm so sick and tired of them asking for money all the time.  I've yet to receive any email or visit any gathering without the talk of "donating."   No wonder I never hear of the imams doing regular jobs.  Our donations are there income.

@ Ozcan, I agree with you.  Donating to our masjids isn't a good idea at all.  We trusted them until some years ago.  But with the large number of crooks proliferating, it's clear where our zakah and sadaqa money goes.  Donating directly is the best .. like giving to persons or families we personally know are needy.  It doesn't necessarily have to be cash, it can be kind.  After all, kind is purchased with cash.  That too minimizes the chances of misuse.  I don't see any other reliable way of giving to the needy without the money ending up in the pockets of the greedy.


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Zeynab on August 17, 2012, 02:05:20 am
This is an old mischief our Muslim community has been indulging in, particularly in the West.  In Pakistan for example, they don't ask because they know no one will give a penny.  In foreign lands as a minority community, they take advantage thinking that it will be simpler to get the benefit of the doubt from their people.

Do read that Calgary imam's link provided by sister Heba.  It was just too much.  The man volunteers a peace walk (mostly travelling in tour bus) from the central part of Canada to the eastern part that would incur a total cost of not more than a couple of hundred dollars, and he asks for donations with the target of $1 million .. calling it a "million dollar walk for peace."  Before I could feel mad, it left me hysterical.   And none of his naive disciples even thought of asking him what the f*** he intends to do with all that money.  Shameful !!  Later on I read in one of the online newsletters from his community center that his wife liked Quebec and wanted to buy a house there.


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on August 17, 2012, 02:07:15 am


....  The man volunteers a peace walk (mostly travelling in tour bus) from the central part of Canada to the eastern part that would incur a total cost of not more than a couple of hundred dollars, and he asks for donations with the target of $1 million .. calling it a "million dollar walk for peace."  Before I could feel mad, it left me hysterical.   And none of his naive disciples even thought of asking him what the f*** he intends to do with all that money.  Shameful !!  Later on I read in one of the online newsletters from his community center that his wife liked Quebec and wanted to buy a house there.


 HysLaugh


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: MuslimanMahlon on August 21, 2012, 05:37:56 am
LOL this reminds me of last jumu'ah, I was in SF, on my way walking to the masjid. My Muslim brotha's dad is turning a corner and honks, so I run up to the car, ask them if they are going to masjid- Yeah, so I hop in with them. Now in downtown SF, there are 2 masjids literally across the street from each other. Now the dad starts asking me which one to go to, so I randomly pick the one where in the end I felt was the wrong decision. That sounds bad to say, as I am talking about going to pray at a masjid \: but really, it's because after the qutbah.... HUGE collection on donations! My friend's cousin who came was like "wth, wth, I hate this masjid, all they do is ask for money, money, money"! LOL I just agreed with him and said we shoulda went to the other one.


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on August 21, 2012, 05:18:31 pm
Heheh hee  ;D  brother Aram, no matter which masjid you chose, they would both be the same.  These donation stories are crossing all bounds.  It almost feels like worshipers  having to pay for every single prayer they offer in the masjids.   Those who donate the most are given the VIP treatment, even if they happen to be cheats, fornicators, drunks, dubious crooks or super hypocrites (which most of them are).  Our masjids are no longer the places for Muslims to remember Allah .... they've been turned into headquarters for amassing money for materialistic purposes.  Worst of all, these cut-throats have reached such depths of barefaced, unashamed impudence that they don't even hesitate using the name of Allah for 'extorting' money from the poor Muslims.   Neither are our community centers any longer the places for assisting Muslims in need nor for assisting those Muslims who are being harassed as minorities. These places are nothing beyond pompous and ostentatious structures catering for a few selected ones who 'donate' the most and are the most active participants in this scheme of brigandry.   'Donation' is just a polite expression for mass robbery.   Disgusting to the point of no return.   Only Almighty Allah will deal with these slimes.    Let us see how much 'donation' they will get in Jahanum.


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on August 21, 2012, 05:42:08 pm
O yes, they're absolutely shameless.  Even if you write to them requesting for a break-up of their plans involving the huge amounts of donation money they ask for, they never respond and continue asking for more donation. 


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Zeynab on August 21, 2012, 05:55:25 pm
Requesting for a break-up of the money they demand is the most touchy issue with these embezzlers because the break up would include classy cars and furniture for their homes, school fees for their kids, paying their Umrah fares etc. etc.  Some even get offended as if the donors don't have the right to know how their money is spent. Not just that.   A lot of moronic donors also think it's not proper to ask because of their blind trust on these thieves.  You will observe that they won't trust many of the orders of the Glorious Quran even if you show them, but they have no problem trusting the scams and most questionable moves of their shady imams and "scholars."   This is what I call the pinnacles of degradation!


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on August 21, 2012, 06:15:27 pm
  .... the pinnacles of degradation!

Spot on.  This is precisely the tragedy with the entire lot - the donors as well as the donation seekers.


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on August 21, 2012, 07:06:20 pm
Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) [no.1 hypocritical fraud & opportunist with plenty of sectarian bias) set its Ramadan donation target to $670,000.  That is almost three-quarters of a million dollars.  No break up of what they plan to do with the money.  I wanted to ask that question.  Comments disabled  :o

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n81/Songbird_09/cair.jpg)


Title: Re: Why do all Islamic institutions in the West keep asking for money?
Post by: Zeynab on August 21, 2012, 07:12:55 pm
Ahaa, I see  :)   Yeah I read that: "Please do your part to put us over the top."    CAIR needs to elaborate in detail what "over the top" means and how it will benefit us otherwise why would we donate?    I couldn't agree more.  This organization is the most treacherous hypocrite of all, doused in sectarian hatred toward the Shiia community.  It will readily support US policies to hit Iran just as its playing a major role in spreading propaganda against Syria at the moment.  Disgraceful bunch of snakes up the sleeves of the Muslim community.