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Title: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Zainab_M on May 12, 2015, 10:33:05 am
 


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In accordance with the Commandment of Allah Almighty, each human being has been assigned two recording angels.  These angels  write down all our deeds - good, bad and whatever is in between - our  thoughts, feelings and intentions.   "He is the Omnipotent over His slaves. He sends guardians over you until, when death comes unto one of you, Our messengers receive him, and they neglect not."  (6:61) Al-Anam.   

Also ..   "Or deem they that We cannot hear their secret thoughts and private confidences ? Nay, but Our envoys, present with them, do record."  (43:80) Az-Zukhruf.

Allah Almighty created angels just as He created humans, jinn and other species.  Angels are incapable of disobeying Allah.  They follow His orders meticulously and most loyally.  Angels worship Allah Almighty alone.   As ordained by HIM, angels have a significant role in the life of human beings.  They are present with us (invisibly), they record our deeds and they are present with us while we worship Allah Almighty .. constantly noting every act and intent.  More on angels on our post Angels. (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=1445.0)

The Almighty created everything for a purpose. HE created the angels to worship Him and carry out His orders in the universe.  ".. who resist not Allah in that which He commands them, but do that which they are commanded."  (66:6)  At-Tahrim.

The two recording angels are mentioned in the Glorious Quran as Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين ).  This expression means  "honorable recorders" or "noble recorders."   "Indeed! there are above you guardians, Noble and recording, Who know (all) that you do."  (82:10-12)  Surah Infitaar.

The Arabic term "raqibun atidun" ( رَقِيبٌ عَتِيدٌ ) also used for the recording angels means "observer ready" as in Verse 50:18 quote:  "He utters no word but there is with him an observer ready."  Some of our Muslim teachers who aren't too well informed, assume "raqib" and "atid" to be the names of the recording angels.  That's not correct.  Raqib means observer or watcher, and atid means to be ready or can also be interpreted as a state of preparedness.  The term "raqib" is a common noun while "atid" is an adjective.  Hence, the vigilance or the alertness of the two recording angels are described in the Verse as observers who are ready for their job of recording the deeds of every person.  Similar to the expression "two Receivers" in the previous Verse 50:17 quote "When the two Receivers receive (him), seated on the right hand and on the left," 

Another point that needs to be clarified emphatically is that uneducated clerics have spread the story that the two recording angels are on either side of our shoulders.  The Quran does NOT mention any angels placed on the shoulders.  We only know that the two recording angels are constantly present with every person, recording their deeds.  That is very easy for Allah, Who only needs to say كُنْ فَيَكُونُ   ("Kun Faya Kun"), or "Be, and it is" to implement or create whatever He decides.  Let us not limit The Limitless with the doubts of our limited perception.

The Quran mentions only four angels by name - Gibreel, Mikaeel, Harut and Marut.  For details kindly check our post Names of angels in the Quran. (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=4116.msg13749#msg13749)

Our acceptance of the presence of angels around us makes us feel that we are surrounded by other creatures of Allah at all times and in all places by His command, and that Allah Almighty is in charge of everyone and everything.  Alhumdulilah.   We can only confirm what's confirmed in the Quran that there are angels designated by HIS command to watch over every individual  throughout their earthly lives to retain a complete account of all their deeds.   "For him are successive (Angels) from (before) (him) and from and behind him, who guard him by (the) command (of) Allah."  (13:11) Ar Raad.  

Human curiosity often runs wild with queries asking "if angels are guarding humans all the time then how do we fall prey to dangers?"   Allah Almighty never promised anyone in this world that they wouldn't face a variety of difficult situations.  Neither did Allah ever guarantee anyone that they would never be victims of tyranny or tragedy.  He never said the temporary path would be smooth from start to finish.  This earthly world is a place for trials & tribulations, pain & misery.  The Quranic expression in the above Verse "They guard him ...." refers to the fact that no one is ever truly alone but their deeds and intent are always being watched, recorded.  Allah has appointed His creatures, the angels, to watch each one of us.  The basic purpose of angels guarding us refers to the existence of permanent witnesses recording all our deeds.  It's yet another display of the amazing power of Allah The Almighty, His creation (in this case the angels) constantly working for Him, following His orders and obeying Him.

Then again, some folks may ask:  Since Allah can see everything and knows everything, what need is there for angels to watch and write what we do?  The answer is simple.  Of course, Allah Almighty knows everything.  The reason why deeds are written down or recorded is only to serve as witnesses against us on the Day of Judgement, to confront us with the precise acts and intents we performed or harbored that will leave us wonderstruck and fearful as most humans tend to forget, subconsciously presuming Allah isn't aware of much of their deeds.  They take HIS All-Knowing Supreme Power as a joke.  But when they see their own kitab (book) spelling out each and every deed of theirs noted in it, they will be speechless and unable to make excuses nor refute it.  The recording book will be a pleasure for the righteous, but will leave the wrong doers numb with fear.  They will be left with no other argument but to concede that they were sinners / violators / transgressors.  This is Allah's purpose of writing our deeds, to prove to our own selves everything we did as evidence, and Divine Justice is flawless; that in the Hereafter Allah only punishes us for the violations we committed in earthly life. 

"And every human being's destiny have We tied to his neck; and on the Day of Resurrection We shall bring forth for him a record which he will find wide open; [and he will be told:] "Read your record! Sufficient is your own self today to make out your account!"  (17:13-14)  Surah Al-Israa. 

In Chapter 18, Surah Al-Kahf: "And the Book is placed, and you see the guilty fearful of that which is therein, and they say: What kind of  a Book is this that leaves not a small thing nor a great thing but has counted it!  And they find all that they did confronting them, and your Rab wrongs no one."   (18:49)

Verses 17 to 21 of Surah Qaf are worth noting.

"When the two Receivers receive (him), seated on the right hand and on the left, He utters no word but there is with him an observer ready. And the agony of death comes in truth. (And it is said unto him): This is that which you were wont to shun. And the trumpet is blown. This is the threatened Day. And every soul comes, along with it a driver and a witness."  (50:17-21).

The above Verses describe the time of the soul's departure on its final journey.  The "two Receivers"  are apparently the recording angels who will receive every departing soul at the time of death.  And then on the Day of Resurrection and the Day of Judgement, the same two recording angels - "driver and a witness" - will accompany each soul.

"Say: Allah is more swift in plotting. Indeed! Our messengers write down that which you plot."  (10:21)  Yunus - NOBLE QURAN. 
("messengers" refer to the recording angels)

"And you (Muhammad) are not occupied with any business and you recite not a Lecture from this (Scripture), and you (mankind) perform no act, but We are Witness of you when you are engaged therein. And not an atom's weight in the earth or in the sky escapes your Rab, nor what is less than that or greater than that, but it is (written) in a clear Book."  (10:61)  Yunus - NOBLE QURAN.


("Lecture" refers to the Quran)


Related link:
Illiyin and Sijjin (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=2525.0)




Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on May 12, 2015, 07:41:10 pm
Fantastic!  This comes at the right time when I had been gathering some points on this topic for my info as I wanted to take it up at our community center get-together end of this month. It's really an incredibly important matter if you think of it.  Every second of our lives, even if we drop a spoon on the floor and pick it up, goes into record.  Not that there's anything wrong in dropping a spoon or any such mundane occurrence; but it's worth reflecting how perfectly Allah is acquainted with each and every act of ours.  While you may drop a spoon on the floor and forget about it 20 minutes later.  Allah has it all recorded as a part of your earthly life.   Wowie!!   SubanAllah a billion times!

Now folks, somewhat connected with this topic, I have a little question.  Is the Divine decision of sending a person to Jannah or Jahannam firmly dependent on good deeds outweighing bad deeds?  Or is this Divine Law flexible?


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on May 12, 2015, 08:06:43 pm
Super post and an indispensable reminder.  I would say that it's this record that contains the results of our life's exams that are presented before Allah for reckoning.  A very comprehensive evidence of every bit of our earthly work - good or bad or in between.  I'm sure it will be quite an amalgam in everyone's case.   Thus, let's be constant to grasp guidance to its maximum for only that can keep the record clean.  I suppose this is what Mufti Menk was getting horrified about  ;D  and finally like a coward lost his nerves by imploring Allah to overlook it.  May Allah preserve us from becoming like Menk.

Concerning your question Sister Ruhi, a good one but not easy to answer.  It's ultimately up to Allah.   Every soul has its own story and Allah will decide accordingly.  However, good deeds outweighing bad deeds and vice-versa is the standard Law of confirmation of a person's ultimate fate.  This has been stated, rather confirmed, in Surah Al Qariah, quote:  "Then, as for him whose scales are heavy (with good works), He will live a pleasant life.  But as for him whose scales are light, A bereft and Hungry One will be his mother, Ah, what will convey unto thee what she is! - Raging Fire."  (101:6-11).  These Verses highlight the system of infallible measuring and judgement of one's positive and negative deeds by the Divine Power.  What Allah decides after that is entirely up to Him.  However, I repeat, according to His standard Law as stated in the above Surah, generally those whose scales are heavy with good deeds will be the successful ones while those whose scales are light (that is, lacking in good deeds) will be the losers.

The same has also been confirmed in Surah Al-Araf, Verses 8 and 9 .. quote:

"The weighing on that day is the true (weighing). As for those whose scale is heavy, they are the successful.  And as for those whose scale is light: those are they who lose their souls because they used to wrong Our revelations." (7:8-9).

Therefore yes, the result of the weighing is vital.  However, His Mercy is also rampant.  Thus only He can confirm the case of each individual.  It's impossible for the human perception to surmise beyond that.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on May 14, 2015, 07:04:04 am
Many thanks me Sis!  :)   Very helpful read .....  understand your point perfectly.  Alhumdulilah.

And now gotta trouble you guys with one more query.  Is  Sijjin and Illiyin the same as the book of deeds recorded by the recording angels?


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Zainab_M on May 14, 2015, 07:07:59 am
No trouble sis  :)  welcomed.

Yes .. in my opinion Sijjin and Illiyin referred in Verses 83:7-9 and
83:18-21 refer to our recorded deeds as discussed in all the Quranic Verses quoted in the original post of this thread.  That is my opinion.  Only Allah knows best.

Our post 'Illiyin' and 'Sijjin'  (http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=2525.msg7074#msg7074)





Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on May 14, 2015, 07:10:24 am
 Thumbsup Thumbsup  plenty of thanks again meo Sis  :D


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on May 14, 2015, 07:25:16 am
Great piece of knowledge.  Allah reward you Sister.  Ameen.

The recording angels are not the same as the angel of death, right?


  


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Zainab_M on May 14, 2015, 07:29:34 am

The recording angels are not the same as the angel of death, right?
  

Very welcomed brother. 

I cannot fully confirm that.  However, I feel quite certain they aren't.  Angel of death or Malik-ul-Mauth only comes to take charge of the soul when it departs from the body, that is, only during the time of death.  The recording angels are two who are always present with every individual, their job being to record facts every minute from birth to death.  So, I tell myself, obviously how could they be the same?  Though from what I gather from Quranic Verses 50:17-21 (quoted in my post), the recording angels are present during the time of death.  Or at least one of the recording angels referred to as "an observer" is definitely present at that time.  However, I feel quite sure this doesn't refer to Malik-ul-Mauth.  But only Allah knows best.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on May 14, 2015, 07:33:09 am
Right .... makes sense.  Thanks sister.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Zainab_M on May 14, 2015, 07:34:08 am
Welcomed again brother.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on October 21, 2018, 01:35:18 am


"For him are angels ranged before him and behind him, who guard him by Allah's command. ......."  (13:11)

Salam everyone.  Does Verse 13:11 of Surah Ar-Rad also refer to recording angels Kiraman Katibeen?

Can anyone explain the reference of the preceding Verse 13:10 quoted as follows ..... does it have a link with the recording angels?

"Alike of you is he who hides the saying and he who noises it abroad, he who lurks in the night and he who goes freely in the daytime.  (13:10)






Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on October 21, 2018, 03:06:55 am


Walaykum Salam.  Yes sister, the reference in V.13:11 is definitely to the recording angels, appointed by The Almighty, and these recording angels keep track of every deed/intent of every person. 

V.13:10 elucidates the truth that Allah Almighty has complete knowledge of the visible as well as the invisible.  Whether a person whispers or talks aloud, is the same for Allah for He is aware of both.  If someone walks in the darkness of the night, we might not be able to see that person, but Allah knows and He can see  just as clearly as broad daylight.   This verse isn't  connected with the recording angels.  Rather it asserts that Allah is directly informed of everything.  The recording angels are the creations of Allah and appointed by Him to do their job.  But even if the recording angels weren't there, it would make do difference for Allah knows everything, He sees everything and if He wants to order something He only needs to say "kun faya kun" that is, “Be!” And it is!



Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on October 21, 2018, 03:31:21 am


Thank you very much brother.   That makes it clear to me.  Alhumdulilah.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Zainab_M on October 21, 2018, 03:35:29 am


Thanks for the articulation, br. TS.  Very helpful.  Allah bless.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on April 08, 2019, 11:15:01 am


As-Salam Alaykum sisters and brother:  Just a final feedback on V.50:17-21 from you guys for my upcoming meeting at the community centre. 

"When the two Receivers receive (him), seated on the right hand and on the left, He utters no word but there is with him an observer ready. And the agony of death comes in truth. (And it is said unto him): This is that which you were wont to shun. And the trumpet is blown. This is the threatened Day. And every soul comes, along with it a driver and a witness."  (50:17-21).

Focusing on the underlined words .... "two Receivers .. observer .... a driver and a witness."  So, we can presume that all these terms refer to the recording angels assigned by The Almighty to every person, right?




Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Zainab_M on April 08, 2019, 11:35:58 am


Walaikum Salaam dear Sister Ruhi.   Yes, though Allah knows best, I would presume that these terms refer to recording angels. 

Additionally, here is the tafsir by Abu Alaa Maududi on Verses 50:17-21 which explains the Verses very clearly and you may find it helpful.

Quote:

..... each person has two angels appointed over them.  These angels are recording whatever every person does and says; none of their actions or words is left unrecorded.  This means that when a person is produced in the Court of Allah,  then Allah The All-Knower will be already knowing what each person has done in the world; besides, there will also be two witnesses who will produce documentary evidence of the person's actions and deeds. As to what will be the nature of this documentary evidence, it is difficult for us to have a precise conception of it. But from the facts that we are witnessing today, it seems certain that the voices, pictures, marks and movements of human actions are being preserved and imprinted on every particle of the environment in which they live and work, and each one of these can be reproduced in exactly the same form and voice so as to leave no difference whatever between the original and its copy.  Humankind is doing this on a very limited scale with the help of their inventions, but the angels of Allah do not stand in need of these machines nor are bound by any limitation. The body of humankind itself and everything around it is their tape and their film upon which they can record every voice and every image along with its minutest and most delicate detail precisely and exactly, and can make humankind hear on the Day of Resurrection, with their own ears, in their own voice, those very things which they talked in the world, and can make them see with their own eyes the pictures of all their misdeeds, whose genuineness they would not possibly be able to deny.

Here, one should also understand that in the Court of the Hereafter, Allah will not punish anybody only on the basis of His own knowledge, but will punish them after fulfilling all the requirements of justice. That is why an exhaustive record is being prepared of every person's words and deeds in the world so that a complete proof with undeniable evidence becomes available of everyone's life-work and activity.

..... the agony of death is the starting point when the reality which had remained concealed in the world, begins to be unveiled. At this point every human being starts to see clearly the other world of which the Prophet (pbuh) had forewarned them. Here, humankind also comes to know that the Hereafter is the very truth, and also whether they will be entering this second stage of life as favored or damned. 

At this point, humans are reminded that this is the same reality which they refused to believe. They desired that they should live and go about unbridled in the world, and there should be no other life after death in which they may have to suffer for the consequences of their ill deeds.  Thus they shunned the concept of the Hereafter and were not at all inclined to believe that this next world would ever be established. Now they see that the same next world is unveiling itself before them.

Blowing of the Trumpet implies all dead will rise back to life in their own physical bodies.

A driver and a witness most probably refer to the same two angels who had been appointed for compiling the record of the words and deeds of every person in the world. On the Day of Resurrection, when every person will rise from their grave on the sounding of the Trumpet, the two (recording) angels will come forth immediately and take each person into their custody. One of them will drive him to the Divine Court and the other will be carrying his record.

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Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on April 08, 2019, 11:41:03 am


Aw!  tons of thanks my dear sis.   Indeed a very satisfying read and most helpful.

Alhumdulilah, ya Rab.





Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on April 09, 2019, 09:57:12 am


SubhanAllah, this tafsir is very good.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on June 20, 2020, 09:50:44 am


Was going through this marvelous post again and it reminded me to ask, what do you folks think about the difference between Maghfirah (مغفرة) and Afu (عفو) as explained by our mainstream jurists?


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Zainab_M on June 20, 2020, 10:28:16 am

Hummm, though Maghfirah and Afu are both Quranic terms with very simple definitions, the concept that has emerged differentiating between the two words comes from a du'a in Hadith.  The Noble Quran does not give us any reasons to accept that differentiating aspect. 


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on June 20, 2020, 10:29:43 am


Absolutely right Sister Zeynab.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on June 20, 2020, 10:32:00 am


Yes very true, Maghfirah and Afu are both Quranic terms with easy-to-understand definitions. 

But what's the difference portrayed by Hadith between these two words?   I don't know that.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on June 20, 2020, 10:53:48 am

Maghfirah means forgiveness from Allah and Afu means The Pardoner or the Most Forgiving, that is, Allah Himself.  Both these terms are found in the Quran several times.  Our jurists say there's a difference between the concept of Maghfirah and Afu but the Noble Quran does not reflect that at all.

According to Hadith and extra-Quranic sources, Maghfirah is Allah’s forgiveness for your sin but on the Day of Judgement it will be written on your record.  Allah will question you about it but HE won’t punish you for it.  Afu is forgiveness from Allah for our sins and that sin will be completely erased from our records and Allah won't question us about it on the Day of Judgment, as if it never happened.

From what I know, it was developed from a du'a in the following Hadith. Tirmidhi Book 9, Hadith 1195:
Aisha (ra) asked the Prophet: "O Messenger of Allah! If I realize Lailat-ul-Qadr (Night of Decree), what should I supplicate in it?" He (ﷺ) replied, "You should supplicate:Allahumma innaka 'afuwwun, tuhibbul-'afwa, fa'fu 'anni الْلَّهُمَّ اِنَّكَ عَفُوٌّ تُحِبُّ الْعَفْوَ فَاعْفُ عَنَّي'  O Allah, You are The Forgiver, You Love Forgiveness, so Forgive me'.

The Quran does not convey this idea. Allah says in the Quran that He is very forgiving and of course He mentions the huge importance of acquiring His forgiveness.  What happens to the sins of a person recorded in their book of records is not discussed in the Quran.  Only Allah Almighty knows whether or not recorded sins will be deleted from our book of records.  We cannot make any assumptions on that.  If we are fortunate enough to receive Maghfirah or Afu, it's the same as far as we are concerned. 

 


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on June 20, 2020, 10:55:25 am


Ah!  I see.  I now get it.  I don't know why our folks don't learn to focus on their own responsibilities instead of  prying into the responsibilities of Allah Almighty and then making stories out of it based on the unreliable institutions Hadith narrations. 

Plenty of thanks for this, brother.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on June 20, 2020, 10:57:38 am


lol ,, that's the old problem with them.  They love to come up with too many conceptualizations not contained in the Quran.

You're welcome Sister. 





Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Zainab_M on June 21, 2020, 03:05:45 am


Very well explained and commented, brother TS and sister Ruhi. 

I think this conceptualization on difference between Maghfirah and Afu goes beyond the hadith.  Even that hadith supplication does not convey the idea of such a difference between the two words.  Maghfirah = forgiveness and Afu = The Forgiver (Allah).   So, I've wondered much how the notion of Maghfirah as forgiven but unerased sins and Afu as forgiven and erased sins came about.  Apparently it was a personal thought of some medieval jurist.




Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on June 21, 2020, 11:38:52 am


Your observation is absolutely right Sister Zeynab.  Apparently hadith too has been hoodwinked on this one by storytellers.  It's because that hadith supplication contains the root word 'Afu' so it was stretched further by someone's unfounded opinion on claiming 'Afu' isn't the same as Maghfirah.  Although in this hadith, Afu refers to The Forgiver (Allah Almighty).

 


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Zainab_M on June 21, 2020, 11:39:54 am


Exactly brother, that's what I noticed too.


Title: Re: Recording angels or Kiraman-Katibin (كراماً كاتبين )
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on June 21, 2020, 11:42:58 am


Very helpful to know all your opinions.  I had been thinking the same, wanted to compare my views yours.