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Category 5 => Prayer Room - Dua's, wise words and reminders => Topic started by: Ruhi_Rose on May 10, 2017, 03:38:04 am



Title: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on May 10, 2017, 03:38:04 am


As-Salam Alaykom my dear peeps!  :)

I'm here with a question again which you just read on the title.

Can anyone kindly give some details on dua-e-kumail?  Is it a general supplication or one for a specific situation or event?   Would also appreciate if someone can share the English translation of this dua.  Plenty of thanks in advance. 

May Allah bless my MV team.


Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on May 10, 2017, 03:55:17 am


Walaikum As Salam dear Sis ..... and bundles of thanks for requesting Allah Almighty for His much needed blessings we humans are completely dependent on. 

I see it as a general supplication.  Dua Kumail  (دعاء كميل) is famous for the humble beauty of its words in obedience to Allah Almighty expressing one's love for Him.  A large portion of this dua is begging the forgiveness of Allah for our many sins. This dua is mainly popular in Shiia Islam;  many Sunnis also accept it.

The most important point is that this dua is Halal as it looks fully compatible with the principles of the Noble Quran. 

Dua Kumail literally means the supplication of Kumail.  Kumail bin Ziyad was reported to be a close friend, comrade and confidant of Imam Ali.  He had  risen into prominence for his loyalty to the Islamic government and his piety during the time of Ali's predecessor, Usman.

According to tradition (which isn't reliable) this supplication was originally said to be recited by the ancient Prophet Al-Khizar ( الخضر) and quoted by Kumail bin Ziyad .... from what I understand.  Though Khizar is not mentioned in the Quran by name, traditionalists have opined that Verse 18:65 of Surah Al-Kahf refers to Khizar who was a Prophet.  Only Allah knows best how far this information is accurate.

I quote Verse 18:65 below:

"Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence."  (18:65).

I repeat, only Allah Almighty would know best if the reference is to a Prophet named al-Khizar or someone else. 

Thus, in conclusion, while some of those traditional aspects surrounding dua Kumail are not confirmed in the Quran, the contents of the supplication itself (as far as I know and understand) are in conformity with the principles of the Noble Quran.  Therefore I think it's fine to recite this supplication or join the congregation reciting it.  We need only to focus on the substance of the dua.

Excerpts from Dua Kumail in English are as follows

O He in whose hand is my forelock!

O He who knows my affliction and my misery!

O He who is aware of my poverty and indigence!

My Lord! My Lord! My Lord!

I ask You by Your Truth and Your Holiness

And the greatest of Your Attributes and Names,

That You make my times in the night and the day inhabited by Your remembrance,

And joined to Your service

And my deeds acceptable to You,

So that my deeds and my litanies may all be a single litany

And my occupation with Your service everlasting.

...

And protect me with Your mercy!

And make my tongue remember You without ceasing

And my heart enthralled by Your love!

And be gracious to me by answering me favorably,

And nullify my slips

And forgive my lapses!

...

O He, whose satisfaction is quickly achieved!

Forgive him who owns nothing but supplication

For You do what You will

O He whose Name is a remedy,

And whose remembrance is a cure,

And whose obedience is wealth!

Have mercy upon him whose main wealth is hopefulness
And whose weapon is weeping!


Complete Dua Kumail in Arabic with English transliteration and English translation given in the following link:

https://www.al-islam.org/commentary-kumayl-supplication-allama-husayn-ansariyan/complete-text-dua-kumayl-arabic




Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Zainab_M on May 13, 2017, 03:27:59 am


Wa'salaam and many thanks dear Sis. 

I also enjoyed reading the complete dua in that link you provided.  Found it very comforting.  It's a very suitable read in Ramadan.

Good query Sister Ruhi.

Ameen ....


Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on May 13, 2017, 03:34:10 am


Shukran from me too dearie Sis Heba :)  These are precisely the points I was looking to confirm.  Yeah Sis Zeynab, it's particularly great to read in upcoming month of Ramadan;  that's why I needed to get some feedback because I hadn't read the entire dua earlier.


Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Zainab_M on February 13, 2019, 06:39:33 am


Just to go over this topic again for a while.  So, we can say that this dua is okay, that it doesn't contain anything which is not in conformity with the principles of the Noble Quran, right?

Some sources say it's a popular dua among Sunnis as well as Shiia Muslims.  But some Sunni sheikhs and imams are against it as I hear.  Any feedback on that?

I was planning to attend Imam Ali masjid this summer, InshAllah, as it seems to be a small, quiet and welcoming place which isn't just hankering after big donations like many of our imams & sheikhs in our big masjids.  So I thought I'll InshAllah visit to form my own opinion.  I was told they recite Dua Kumayl every Friday and thus I want to know where exactly does the Ummah stand in regard to this dua?




Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on February 13, 2019, 07:07:38 am




.... I want to know where exactly does the Ummah stand in regard to this dua?



Overall it's an acceptable dua, just that it focuses too much on confession of human wrongs and should have made more promises to Allah for striving to avoid those wrongs.   That can be viewed as the nervous approach of the suppliant.  The essence of the dua itself is okay.  I have analyzed every line of it, and it's very lengthy.  Certain parts of it may sound a bit poetic but the thoughts it expresses are Halal as I understand them;  certain aspects are repetitive.  But it certainly does not contain anything against Quranic values.   

Many Sunni circles also recite this dua.  But some Wahabized Sunnis who are overly influenced by folks like Ibn Taimiyah etc. are terribly against duas with rhythms and eloquent language even if the contents are 100% Halal.  I suppose they miss the crude and vulgar language of Abu Huraira in those countless offensive ahadith. 

They also object that the isnad of this dua is unauthentic, that Amir ul-Momineen, Imam Ali, did not read this dua to his friend, Kumayl.    But I say to hell with isnad.  As far as authenticity of narrator or its chain is concerned, it's well known about each and every Hadith or traditional chain that they're are never authentic,  99.9% of all isnads are concoctions.  In a case like this, if you have thoroughly explored the contents of the entire dua and found it compatible with Tawheed and all principles of the Noble Quran, you can definitely recite it with the understanding that it's a nice and soothing supplication you are making to Allah by completely ignoring the isnad ... no matter who recited it or not.  Isnad is an institution which must be taken as fake to start with.  You can recite this dua just the way you would recite some nice dua you might pen yourself to humbly reach out to The Almighty in your own words.  No "scholar" or 'mufti' can stop you from doing that.  Similarly, no one can stop you from reciting dua  kumayl or you can even rename it or call it what you wish, that would be irrelevant.  The only important aspect, I repeat, is you must be sure it's grounded in Monotheism and is fully in conformity with Quranic values.



Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Zainab_M on February 14, 2019, 10:07:40 pm


Very interesting view point brother TS.  I had been thinking much on the same lines from start to finish.  Isnad is has always been a farce. It's the quality of the contents indicating compatibility with the Noble Quran and the indispensable concept of Monotheism that presents the standard for analysis and whether or not a supplication should be accepted.   In any case, I think it's never a good idea to label any dua or narration using the name of a renowned figure for the purpose of leverage.   If someone wants to write something expressing their opinion or commentary on some aspect of Faith, they should use their own name. 



Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on February 14, 2019, 10:09:39 pm


Very interesting ....... In any case, I think it's never a good idea to label any dua or narration using the name of a renowned figure for the purpose of leverage.   If someone wants to write something expressing their opinion or commentary on some aspect of Faith, they should use their own name. 

That's very correct Sister. 



Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on February 14, 2019, 10:22:32 pm


After the initial feedback from my MV friends, I've read this dua several times.  Usually I read the portion quoted by Sister Heba, but a few times I read the whole which indeed is a bit too lengthy. 

Frankly, I see the values of this supplication compatible with the Noble Quran, otherwise I would never have read it nor would any of you have recommended it.  The problem in it is only the human approach of too much anxiety and restlessness ... if I may put it that way.  I mean, sometimes this dua is like nervously asking Allah too many questions of whether or not we will be considered worthy of avoiding Hellfire.    So, at times it feels that the suppliant is forgetting the fact that Allah NEVER punishes those who don't deserve it ... that Allah's perception is flawless, Divine Justice is flawless.  But I guess that's simply a portrayal of human nature and the nervousness of the human heart / soul that makes them impatient.  Perhaps, in certain cases, such impatience is an indication of being overly fearful which might be a good sign, manifesting the humility and goodness of one's soul.  Indeed, Allah is best aware of the inside story of every soul.




Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on February 14, 2019, 10:42:35 pm



Many Sunni circles also recite this dua.  But some Wahabized Sunnis who are overly influenced by folks like Ibn Taimiyah etc. are terribly against duas with rhythms and eloquent language even if the contents are 100% Halal.  I suppose they miss the crude and vulgar language of Abu Huraira in those countless offensive ahadith. 



Yes I agree brother.  Many Sunni circles do read dua-e-kumail.  It's only those with tendencies of drifting into the path of takfiris that bring up ridiculous reasons for rejection.  How can you reject anything simply because its language is eloquent or carries a poetic rhythm?   LOL .. you're right.  While reading sophisticated or decent language, those salafized Sunnis do probably miss the embarrassing insinuations and the cheap style as in the narrations of guys like Abu Huraira, Anas, Darda etc. 

Btw .... since when did the Salafis become so particular about "isnad" when the entire Sunni Hadith literature they view as "sahih"  is rife with fraudulent isnad? Not to mention, even if a logical isnad says something not warranted by the Quran, that isnad along with its content must be trashed.

Moreover, authenticity problem (that is, truthfulness in regard to the source) exists throughout all Sunni and Shiia man-written literature.    But if anyone says something that correct with the Quran as Sole Criterion, then it should be accepted regardless of who said it.  Isnad is totally irrelevant.


 


Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on February 22, 2019, 02:37:02 am


Sorry for the delayed return as I was out of station.  Very interesting points Sister Ruhi. 

Large portions of the du'a reflect how much the suppliant will miss Allah if they are granted Hellfire.   Yes, those parts of the supplication sound emotional.  It is also true that dwellers of Hellfire will express complete remorse once the Judgement is given to them as the Noble Quran has expressed many times.  Concerning this du'a I would say that suppliants who are so aware of missing Allah from this point on earth, don't seem to be the ones who might be punished in the next world because the real unrighteous folks usually don't have such depth in terms of regret or remorse nor any profound compunctions in this world ....  and those who do, often end up coming to the path of Allah before it's too late.  In such cases, yes, sometimes the pangs of self-reproach can be severe and some of these folks cannot bear to forgive themselves.  That leads to begging and imploring Allah to overlook their past.  The point is, if the process of 'coming home' within a person is sincere, Allah will know it best and then one doesn't have to worry.  Just leave all matters to Him.  According to HIS principles as elucidated in HIS most Noble Book, He does not hold any genuine believer who has truly changed for the better, accountable for their past missteps. 



Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Zainab_M on February 22, 2019, 02:41:10 am

Brilliant feedback.   Thank you Sister Ruhi and thanks again br. TS. 

So this means it's fine to be in a congregation which is reciting dua Kumayl, right?

Would also like to know what Sister Heba has to say in this regard and her opinion of this supplication.




Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on February 22, 2019, 02:57:18 am



So this means it's fine to be in a congregation which is reciting dua Kumayl, right?


Personally I think it's perfectly okay. 

Besides, just speaking generally, if at any time you are unexpectedly uncomfortable with some supplication they are reciting in a jam'ah, you need not be a participant.  Just sit silently looking down, don't raise your hands as for making du'a and don't recite it.  Again, Allah knows thoroughly what is in everyone's heart.    Just make sure that in future you don't join a congregation that recites supplications you aren't comfortable with.  I reiterate, I'm speaking generally.  I'm comfortable with du'a kumayl even though it's not my favorite du'a as it's too lengthy and repetitive.
   


Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Zainab_M on February 22, 2019, 02:59:25 am


Very wisely said br. TS.     Allah bless.


Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on February 22, 2019, 03:00:39 am


.....   and yeah, I would also like to know Sister Heba's opinion   :)


Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on February 22, 2019, 03:19:48 am



Aw!  thank ye for calling me on folks, in particular Sis Zeynab   :D   I already read the recent inputs couple of days ago and then brother's additional comments tonight. 

I think Sis Ruhi and br. TS have summed it up pretty thoughtfully. I would say it's fine Sister Zeynab. 

You know, just as Christians take for granted that they will all enter Paradise and completely ignore the reality of Hellfire, many sincere Muslims have a very different approach.  We often take for granted that our ill deeds have surpassed our good deeds and fearfully request Allah for forgiveness and avoidance of Hellfire.   This is one of highlights of Dua Kumayl.

Having said that, in my view, those portions of the dua where the suppliant describes their lamentations in Hellfire praising Allah do not refer to those who disbelieved on earth and woke up to realize the truth after Resurrection.  Those parts of the dua are the reflections of a believer who is overly aware and thus their awareness and realization of the truth cannot prevent them from feeling nervous about the azaab in the Hereafter.




Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on February 22, 2019, 03:51:37 am



Furthermore .......

As you folks have rightly mentioned, various Sunni circles are against this supplication.  But the purpose of their rejection is simply opposition, nothing else.

Let me elaborate, a bit (or a bit more than 'a bit' :)  ) on this issue.

The origin of this dua has a hadithist root, so to say.  Nonetheless, if its contents are in compliance with the Sole Criterion, the Noble Quran, then it can be accepted as a supplication by ignoring the isnad which is always controversial.

From what I know, both Sunnis and Shiias accept that this du'a was narrated by al-Khidr whom, I think, hadithist sources accept as a prophet though the Quran does not confirm this point.  They say that this supplication from al-Khidr has taken by Amir ul-Momineen Imam 'Ali and taught to a prominent companion of his named Kumail ibn Ziyad.

According to Sunni sources, the following is the portion of Dua Kumail which Imam Ali recited:

“O Allah, I ask You by virtue of Your mercy which encompasses all things, and by virtue of Your power by which You dominate all things and everything submits to it, and by virtue of Your might by which You overcome all things, and by virtue of Your power, which nothing can resist, and by virtue of Your greatness, which encompasses all things, and by virtue of Your sovereignty, which transcends all things, and by virtue of Your eternal Countenance which will remain after all things cease to be, and by virtue of Your names which filled the space of all things, and by virtue of Your knowledge which encompasses all things, and by virtue of the light of Your Countenance which illuminates all things; O Light, O Most Holy, O First of the first, O Last of the last, O Allah, forgive me my sins which weaken all bonds. O Allah, forgive me my sins which bring down divine wrath. O Allah, forgive me my sins that remove blessings. O Allah, forgive me my sins which detain supplication (and prevent it from reaching You). O Allah, forgive me my sins which bring down calamity. O Allah, forgive me all the sins I have committed and every error I have made… “

This is a du'a begging Allah Almighty for forgiveness (maghfirah).  Though it might sound a bit poetic and quite repetitious, it is certainly compatible with Tawheed (Monotheism) and in conformity with Quranic principles.  Yet, much to my surprise, a particular Sunni sheikh or "scholar" (his name not mentioned or probably Sheikh Muhammad Saalih Munajjid who claims to be the 'supervisor') at Islam Q&A (https://islamqa.info/en/answers/181861/ruling-on-a-duaa-called-duaa-kumayl-ibn-ziyaad) says that this dua should not be recited because firstly he considers its isnad to be incorrect, that it wasn't recited by Imam Ali.  So, he rules it out as fabricated.  This may also imply that the Sunni sheikh assumes that al-Khidr also did not recite this du'a.  However, the point is, forget the isnad.  What's significant is the content.  No matter who writes or composes a du'a (even if I write it), as long as it's according to the principles of the Quran and does NOT violate the concept of Tawheed, there is no reason to reject it.

Secondly, what surprises me most, quoting that sheikh's words "Even if we assume that all of its words and meanings are good .. it has also become a slogan or symbol of the Raafidis and others of their ilk who follow innovation. It is stated above that they regard it as holy, venerate it and hold it in high esteem. Something that is like that should not be taken as a religious practice."   There we go again !!  Total madness, dunk in sectarianism and false accusation.  In other words, he is trying to say that since the salafist minded Sunnis have picked the label "Rafidis" for Shiia Muslims, so even if the Shiias do something that's right, even if it conforms with the values of the Quran, it must still be rejected because those people are given the title "Rafidis."  Again differently put, the idea is to shun this du'a so that "there is no resemblance with Rafidis."  These are the category of sectarianists who have sunk into the lowest depth of depravity with a shameful sense of self-righteousness.   Just ignore them.

Thirdly, quoting him again, "It is stated above that they regard it as holy, venerate it and hold it in high esteem."  I don't know what this man is talking here.  What "holy" or "veneration"?   Who said that?   Dua is a du'a.  Everyone respects it, and that's all.  No one ever said Dua Kumayl is "Divine" (AstaghfarAllah) or anything of that sort.  It's simply a lengthy supplication that's recited by many Shiia Muslims on Fridays.  Mostly it's cut short and only excerpts are recited.  Its length makes it difficult to recite the entire supplication in every prayer congregation.  And as brother TS said, this du'a isn't one of my favorites either.  But this sort of attitude by Sheikh Munajjid and his likes is deplorable, an outcome of being stubbornly rooted in schism, arising from a spirit of plain disobedience to Allah Almighty.

A very important reminder for these flagrant sectarianists:

"Indeed! As for those who sunder their religion and become schismatics, no concern at all have you with them. Their case will go to Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do."  (6:159)  Surah Al-Anam.



 


Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Zainab_M on February 25, 2019, 10:22:03 am





You know, just as Christians take for granted that they will all enter Paradise and completely ignore the reality of Hellfire, many sincere Muslims have a very different approach.  We often take for granted that our ill deeds have surpassed our good deeds and fearfully request Allah for forgiveness and avoidance of Hellfire.   This is one of highlights of Dua Kumayl.

Having said that, in my view, those portions of the dua where the suppliant describes their lamentations in Hellfire praising Allah do not refer to those who disbelieved on earth and woke up to realize the truth after Resurrection.  Those parts of the dua are the reflections of a believer who is overly aware and thus their awareness and realization of the truth cannot prevent them from feeling nervous about the azaab in the Hereafter.


These are both very correct points.

 


Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: Zainab_M on February 25, 2019, 10:31:31 am




....... what surprises me most, quoting that sheikh's words "Even if we assume that all of its words and meanings are good .. it has also become a slogan or symbol of the Raafidis and others of their ilk who follow innovation. It is stated above that they regard it as holy, venerate it and hold it in high esteem. Something that is like that should not be taken as a religious practice."   There we go again !!  .......................... 


 :o   Oh my Dearest Allah!   So this is the reason for Sunni rejection of dua Kumayl?





...... quoting him again, "It is stated above that they regard it as holy, venerate it and hold it in high esteem."  I don't know what this man is talking here.  What "holy" or "veneration"?   Who said that?   Dua is a du'a.  Everyone respects it, and that's all.  No one ever said Dua Kumayl is "Divine" (AstaghfarAllah) or anything of that sort. .............................


Exactly, what does he mean "holy" and "venerate it" ?  It's just a man-written dua and because it's a dua addressed to Allah, so people respect it.  These salafis only think of picking up a quarrel through opposition whenever the Shiias are brought into a discussion.



Title: Re: What is Dua-e-Kumail?
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on February 25, 2019, 10:36:26 am


Thanks plenty for the additional input Sister Heba. 

Some of these guys are just crazy, just want to fight.