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Category 5 => Brief explanation / tafsir of Quran Verses => Topic started by: Ruhi_Rose on March 10, 2019, 11:04:49 am



Title: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on March 10, 2019, 11:04:49 am
 

BismEm


"Almost might the heavens above be rent asunder while the angels hymn the praise of their Rab and ask forgiveness for those on the earth.  Lo! Allah, He is the Forgiver, the Merciful."  (42:5).


Salam dear folks.   

Do angels ask Allah Almighty to forgive humans on earth as one of their responsibilities? 

Furthermore, according to the commentary of Maududi on V.42:5, quote:  "angels implore Allah for mercy again and again for the dwellers of the earth, who have forgotten themselves and their God, and pray that they may yet be spared from the torment and given more respite to mend their ways."  However, V.42:5 apparently does not support that view of Maududi.  I also checked the preceding and following Verses.  There are no references to Maududi's opinion.  Why does he conclude that angels ask forgiveness for the sinners, requesting Allah to grant them more time on earth?




Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth. (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on March 10, 2019, 11:12:11 am


Walaikum As-Salam sister Ruhi.

Answer to the first part of your query .... it's not possible to confirm whether or not Allah has assigned that as one of the responsibilities of the angels.   Only Allah would know best.  However, this Verse confirms that angels do ask forgiveness from Allah for humans.  Just the way we humans implore Allah to forgive other humans, so the angels also humbly request the same to The Almighty to forgive humans on earth.   

Second part of your question .. I too cannot see any plausible reason why Maududi expressed such an idea in his tafsir.  Indeed the Noble Quran gives no reason to assume that.  There might be some ahadith that say something to that effect as many of Maududi's commentaries are based on Hadith narrations. 

Also, let me add, as we do know that the Hadith (https://whatisquran.com/303-the-angels-pray-for-these-people.html) loves to guess, fabricate and forge, it consists of several narrations mentioning the type of people the angels ask forgiveness for.   But of course, I would advise everyone not to dwell on such guesswork as only Allah Almighty has the accurate and final answer concerning the people the angels ask Him to forgive.



Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth. (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on March 10, 2019, 11:16:31 am


Many thanks brother.   

Yes, I don't care for those hadith babblings.
 


Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: Zeynab on March 16, 2019, 07:58:09 am


Just one clarification might be important from the view point of our readers who are still learning Islam. 

Indeed V.42:5 confirms that angels do ask forgiveness for humans on earth.  But humans must not misconstrue that into thinking that they can request angels or pray to angels to ask forgiveness for them from Allah.   That would be completely wrong as it would amount to picking a third party to intercede, whereas our prayers for forgiveness or whatever must be directly to Allah.  We are required to reach out to Allah directly and speak to Him, and implore Him for whatever we need.   Angels asking forgiveness for humans from Allah is something strictly between Allah and the angels.  We need not concern ourselves with that.  We must focus on our prayers and supplications as addressed directly to The Almighty.



Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on March 16, 2019, 08:05:00 am


Very, very important point.  My apology, I should have stated it.  But we already know it too well.  You're right, it's basically for the information of newcomers to Islam or those Muslims who know little and haven't been practicing Islam much.   To all of them I would advise, please note this point mentioned by Sister Zeynab.  It's absolutely paramount.



Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on March 16, 2019, 08:08:08 am


Thanks a million dear Sis.  Yes I'm already aware of that.  Indeed it's paramount, and learners must know it.


Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on March 16, 2019, 09:06:14 am



Just one clarification might be important from the view point of our readers who are still learning Islam. 

Indeed V.42:5 confirms that angels do ask forgiveness for humans on earth.  But humans must not misconstrue that into thinking that they can request angels or pray to angels to ask forgiveness for them from Allah.   That would be completely wrong as it would amount to picking a third party to intercede, whereas our prayers for forgiveness or whatever must be directly to Allah.  We are required to reach out to Allah directly and speak to Him, and implore Him for whatever we need.   Angels asking forgiveness for humans from Allah is something strictly between Allah and the angels.  We need not concern ourselves with that.  We must focus on our prayers and supplications as addressed directly to The Almighty.

Alhumdulilah, that's a principal reminder which of course we know, but many others may not have pondered.  They absolutely need to keep this point in mind.



Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on March 17, 2019, 08:53:48 am


Salams folks.  Another query.   My sister was asking, that from the same perspective, would it be wrong for humans to make dua to Allah for other humans?   I mean, this is something we all do, right?  I make dua for the well being of my family, they make dua for me, and we make dua for close friends and neighbors.   

Your opinion is awaited and would be very helpful to understand this point.
 




Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: Zeynab on March 17, 2019, 09:04:51 am



Wa'salaam Sister Ruhi.

No, no.  That is fine.  Humans praying to Allah Almighty for other humans is definitely a different matter and permissible.  It cannot be assessed in the same perspective.  Surely we all make dua to The Almighty for our family, friends, neighbors and implore Allah to grant them strong iman, good health, happiness and His protection.  This is an act of kindness, responsibility and concern for the close community we are living in.  We make dua for our fellow human beings just the way we make dua for ourselves.   Also, in tough times, we request our family and friends to make dua to Allah for us.  This is simply an extra step for calling out to Allah in addition to our own dua to Him directly.   It certainly doesn't imply that we must only depend on others to make dua for us and not reach out to Allah ourselves.   

Let me further confirm my opinion by supporting it with Quranic information. 

Quoting Verse 9:103, Surah At-Tawbah.

"Take alms of their wealth, wherewith you may purify them and may make them grow, and pray for them.   Lo!  your prayer is an assuagement for them. Allah is Hearer, Knower."  (9:103).

If you look up Verse 9:103 of Surah At-Tawbah and then also read its preceding Verse, you will grasp that Allah Almighty is speaking to the Prophet (pbuh) about a segment of people apparently in Medinah or its outskirts.  These people committed some ill deed and then acknowledged it.  We may perhaps assume that they repented.   Concerning them, Allah Almighty tells the Prophet (pbuh) in V.9:103 to take (or probably accept) charity from them to purify them, and to pray for them (that is, make dua for them).   Allah refers to the Prophet's dua for them as " سَكَنٌ " (sakanun)  which Pickthall has translated as 'assuagement' and some others have translated as 'reassurance.'   "Assuage" means to relieve or to make less severe.  I think the word 'assuagement' fits better because from what I know, the original 'sakanun' is linked with the Arabic term sakoon ( سكون)  which means calm or tranquility.   Thus, Allah Almighty gives permission to the Prophet (pbuh) to pray or make dua for a people in order to grant them some relief from sin.

Hence, if we humans make dua to Allah for other humans, that's okay.  It certainly doesn't bring about the same concept as a human being asking an angel to request Allah for forgiveness.  This is a different matter and completely wrong.    Also, if angels request Allah Almighty for the forgiveness of humans, Allah has confirmed that as acceptable in Verse 42:5.   But it should not go the other way round, that is, humans asking angels to approach Allah Almighty to ask forgiveness for them.  This, as we all know, would be plainly wrong.

Hope I've made myself clear, InshAllah.





Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on March 17, 2019, 09:15:55 am


Shokran again dear Sis.  You clarified it so well.  Yes I'm familiar with V.9:103.    I don't know how I didn't think of it at this moment as it answers my question very logically and simply.  May Allah Almighty continue to guide and protect us, ameen. 


Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: Zeynab on March 17, 2019, 09:18:06 am


You're welcomed Sis ..


Title: Re: Angels ask Allah to forgive humans on earth (V.42:5) Ash-Shura
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on March 17, 2019, 09:40:51 am


Concerning Sister Ruhi's question, thank you Sister Zeynab.  Well analyzed.