Wa'Salam Sister Ruhi.    Alhumdulilah, I think you've summed it up very well with specifics in regard to the Arabic vocabulary from original Quranic Verses.  I don't have anything more to add.   Those intractable kids should now understand as the truth is very obvious .. unless they're arguing with a pre-conditioned mind and don't want to understand. 

As-Salam Alaykum dear folks.     Returning to this gorgeous thread!!  InshAllah, we're having a Zoom discussion with our Islamic community centre on this topic coming Saturday as some moms are worried their young adult children claim Quran does not refer to moon as derived light.  These parents are mostly reaping the fruits of their own harvest by not giving enough time to their children when they were young.  So now, these hulking kids are pretty much deviated.  Secondly, Arabic not being the first language of most of them, they only rely on translations, and as we know there are certain issues which the translation cannot convey clearly and articulately as the original. 

I am preparing a write-up on this subject by wrapping up the contents of this thread focused on the point that, as we know, the Quran makes it ample clear  the sun is the source of light and the moon get lit up by the sun.  The eloquent Quranic method in Arabic is artistic and tasteful and it doesn't go along plain or literal descriptions as in a book of astronomy for middle school kids.  That makes it still harder for those with zero knowledge of Arabic language to follow because they make no effort to explore it. 

The following is my understanding of this thread which I intend to speak in the upcoming discussion, InshAllah.  Please correct me (if) wherever I'm wrong. 


Looking at few of the most often recited Verses which include Verses 10:5, 71:16, 25:61 and 42:52 .. all quoted as follows with original.  Please know the translations do not (and cannot) accurately explain this aspect as the original does because English lacks the necessary vocabulary and style to explicate this analogy.  Therefore stay firmly focused on the original alongside the translation.

(10:5)    هُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ ضِيَاءً وَالْقَمَرَ نُورًا وَقَدَّرَهُ مَنَازِلَ لِتَعْلَمُوا عَدَدَ السِّنِينَ وَالْحِسَابَ
"He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning." 


(71:16)      وَجَعَلَ الْقَمَرَ فِيهِنَّ نُورًا وَجَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ سِرَاجًا
"And has made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp ?"


(25:61)     تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ فِي السَّمَاءِ بُرُوجًا وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا سِرَاجًا وَقَمَرًا مُنِيرًا
"Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light! "


(42:52) وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ رُوحًا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا ۚ مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَٰكِنْ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا نَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ نَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۚ وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ 
"And thus have We inspired in you (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. You knew not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And indeed! you verily do guide unto a right path,"  


Let us consult the Quran to confirm this point by reading the literal comparisons as well as the variations. 


Verse 10:5  "He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning."  (Please refer to original Arabic above).

The sun is mentioned as radiant (ضِيَا  dhia) which literally means lamp or lighted candle, implying an object that emits light.  The moon is called light (نُورًا  nuran from 'nur') alluding to illumination and its reflection.   To clarify further, Allah says, the moon has phases which a radiant object like a lamp or lighted candle cannot have.  But since moon reflects light, hence it gives out light in accordance with the illumination which it receives from the original source.   In both Verses 10:5 as well as 71:16, the term "nuran" is used for moon. So the moon only gave out what it received, thus it has phases like the planets in the solar system. That is why we see the phases varying in intensity depending on the angle sun, moon, earth.  These phases have also been described in the Quran and summed up briefly and perfectly in Verse 36:39, "And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf." 

Now looking at Verse 25:61 "Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light! "   (Please refer to original Arabic above).

The word مُنِيرًا  ("muniran" from munir) which means light similar to nuran which is the moon, and the word
سِرَاجًا  ("sirajan" from siraj) for the sun.   Like the term "nuran," muniran also means something that shines, implying shining with light coming from around it or outside of it.  In Arabic the words nur and munir do not refer to light coming from the object itself like a lamp or electric bulb or lighted candle.  These translations are only used for the sun.  In original Arabic either "dhia" or "sirajan," both terms stand for lamp or lighted candle which give or produce their own light.  Arabic is a rich language, and Quranic Arabic in particular is tremendously eloquent!  Light which is thrown back or reflected is always in the form rays ➡  and thus it has to have an origin.  The origin is always the sun in all such Verses.  There's no equivalent for this in English explaining the difference between an object that originates light and another that reflects light.  But within the Arabic vocabulary, you do find separate sets of words defining the two kinds of light, originating and reflecting - sirajan or dhia and nuran or muniran, respectively.


Finally please refer to Verse 42:52 "And thus have We inspired in you (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. You knew not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And indeed! you verily do guide unto a right path,"  (Please refer to original Arabic above).

This is a metaphorical Verse.   As we've already understood, the term نوراً  (nuran) refers to something that glows after being illuminated.  The expression of reflected light is here used metaphorically, in a different context implying to something other than the moon.   The same word “nūran” (reflected light or illumination) alludes to the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), implying guidance that gets people out of darkness into light. The source of guidance (light or illumination) is Allah The Almighty.   The Quran and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are only reflecting that light or illumination (guidance) that is coming from Allah. 


So let everyone keep in mind, the Quran does NOT say anywhere that the light of the moon is inherent.  Nowhere at all.    


                                                                                                                                   

Couldn't agree more, brother.  Altered bibles are the source of top-notch ignorance-cum-idiocy we commonly refer to as jahalat.




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Good read, easy, to the point and precise. 

The altered Bible claims that Jesus could see the entire Earth from a single high location (Matthew 4:8).  I am sure if Prophet Essa (pbuh) heard this, he would be shocked at the lies of his so-called followers!   Altered Bible makes many such statements because it believed that earth was flat.  What Bible writers meant was that the entire earth could be seen from a single spot since the whole planet was brightened with the sun's light at the same time, something which could only be possible if the earth was flat.  If the earth was flat, then the full moon (and all phases of the moon) would appear at the same time from all places.   But today we know that this is false. Moreover, if the sky is clear the full moon can only be seen at night from sunset to sunrise, not during the daytime because the earth is round or spherical and it rotates. This was asserted in the Quran 1,442 years ago.  Western sources boast that spherical shape of the earth was common knowledge since the time of Greek philosophers more than 2,000 years ago.  Yet the altered Bibles written and re-written since 2,000 years is full of contents describing the earth as flat.  Just about everywhere in Europe the presumption of a flat earth existed throughout the rule of the Catholic Church which even forbade the study of medicine, declaring the Muslim doctors of Al-Andalusia as "sorcerers" and dubbing Abu Zahrawi (father of surgery who invented catgut for stitching wounds) as a man performing witchcraft.  Hilarious!   

To have a full moon, the sun, Earth and moon have to be aligned.  If full moon is visible in your location of the earth, then that is the precise time of this alignment.

So interesting.   I particularly liked the sum-up in you final paragraph.  In this regard it's useful to read the entire set of Verses in the Noble Quran on the moon which our readers can find in the following link:

"Moon in the Quran"  
  
In those ancient times of paganism, moon worship was common.  And this idea of moon affecting minds sneakily denotes the pagan myth of the moon's power on humans and animals.  Total rubbish. 

 

This is a very informative piece of history.   Iran backers are generally of the opinion that Azerbaijan's Israeli link has cautioned Iran.  But as you rightly pointed out so many other allies of Iran with deeper Israeli links, and yet Iran seems quite at ease with them.  They also say Israel has set up some sort of espionage center in one of its consulates in Azerbaijan.  Don't know how far this is correct, and if so, indeed it doesn't sound good.  But the question that arises is how did things come to this point between Iran and Azerbaijan?  Has Iran's shoulder-rubbing with Armenia and giving them weapons prove to be a tipping point between Iran and Azerbaijan?  As you said, majority of Azeris aren't secular, and there are plenty of Iranian Azeris too in the provinces of east & west Azerbaijan of Iran.  Compared to that, Iran can expect nothing from Armenia in return except selling them weapons.  Doesn't sound good at all.  Briefly, with Iran it's all about money these days.  It's befriended India and Oman despite their warm ties with Israel because Iran is hopeful of lucrative trade with them.  That same monetary incentive isn't there in Azerbaijan.