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 on: November 18, 2017, 12:39:21 pm 
Started by Heba E. Husseyn - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn
To cut a long story short, the word is Muslim, not "Moor."

It's not known when exactly the Europeans began using the term "moor," but it has been around since ancient times though it wasn't synonymous with Muslims in that period.  Initially it alluded to indigenous Africans. 

"Moor" in English comes from a Greek word "mavro" which means "black" or "charred."  The English transliteration of "mavro" is "maurus" and its plural "mauri" which came from the vocabulary of ancient Romans referring to black Africans.  But that  approach gradually changed.  It's distortion isn't only extensive but just as illogical and imaginary as the myths and misconceptions of the harem.

The North African Berbers who lived near Mauretania (south of Morocco) were called "Mauri."  The word "Mauri" was, in the course of time, corrupted by Europeans into "Moors" (conforming with the ancient Greek and Roman lexica) even though "Mauri" was simply a label for a particular segment of Berbers that had no ethnographic definition.  Initially in the minds of European historians, "Moors" included North African Muslims of  Morocco (including Moroccan Berbers), Tunisia and Algeria.  Gradually it became a term for all Muslims of the world (definitely in a derogatory sense) including the Muslim rulers of Spain though they were not of North African origin.  They were an offshoot of the Ommayads who were ethnically Arabians (from the Arabian Peninsula).   Ommayad rule with its capital in Damascus was from 661 to 750 AD.  During this period, Spain was ruled by the Omayyad caliphs in Damascus.  When the Abbasids came to power, a member of the Ommayad family named Abdur Rehman fled to Spain and established an independent Ommayad dynasty in 756 AD.  But he and his successors continued to recognize the Abbasid caliphs as the religious authority for the next 200 years.  It was in the year 930 AD when the eighth ruler of Muslim Spain, Abdur Rehman al-Nasir (or Abdur Rehman III)  declared Muslim Spain (or Al-Andalus) independent of the Abbasids in Baghdad with Cordoba as its capital. The actual splendor of Al-Andalus began from this period known as the rule of the Nassirids.  The assumption that the "Moors" of Morocco and Mauretania ruled Muslim Spain is another baffling misconception.

Later during the reign of the Turkish Ottomans, the racist British artist, David Roberts, invented the term “Mooristan” (extension of an already existing fiction) he persistently used for describing the landmarks of Cairo.

David Roberts was born in Scotland in 1796 and was the son of a shoemaker.  With an inborn talent to sketch, his career as an artist prospered and he became an associate of the Royal Academy.  But his basic academic education was scant.  Despite the rise in his social status, his mentality never rose above that of a cobbler's son.  He never gave up nurturing an attitude-problem that dwelt in the illusion of cultural superiority. That was evident from the style in which he conversed about the great city of Cairo during the era.  He visited Egypt, Palestine and Lebanon between 1838 and 1840 and returned home with a bundle of sketches published in several volumes in the mid 1840s.  His visit to the Middle-East was reportedly patronized by the despotic queen, Victoria Saxe-Gotha.

Roberts' defamation of Cairo as described in the book “Making Cairo Medieval” throws enough light to expose where he came from.   Quoting Roberts’ rants about the streets of Cairo:  "filthy and impertinent mob who jostle and stare at me" …. “of the need for guard to keep back the crowd” .... “a half-sucked orange thrown from a window above me” .. “of the risk of being squeezed to a mummy by the loaded camels” ..... “of a mid January sun so hot I could hardly sit out the day” .... “of wind and dust” and “of constant diarrhea.”  Yet he arrived back in Britain in 1840, fit as a fiddle.  A half-sucked orange flying out of a window would be a huge relief compared to excrement, an 'epoch' when in London they threw royal feces of the Tudors and Hanovers down  the windows of Palace lavatories into the bylanes for the passers-by to enjoy a turdy royal bath.

Roberts was given the permission by the Ottoman Pasha, Muhammed Ali, governor of Cairo, to draw images of mosques.  About it, he remarked: "I must espouse the Turkish dress and divest myself of my whiskers. That is too bad but my object can be accomplished in no other way."  While mentioning of his visit to the Middle-East in “The Life of David Roberts" compiled from his journals and other sources, there are passages where he is completely unable to conceal his fanatical ethnocentricity.   He describes the  pilgrimage to Makkah (Hajj) as “a fool's errand.

The Citadel of Saladin in Cairo was a fortified area of the city since the era of the Fatimids and Ayyubids (from 10th to 13th centuries) for protection against the invasions of  the Crusaders.  It continued to be so in the reign of the Ottomans.  It is located on Mokattam Hill near the center of the city, famous for its fresh breeze and grand views of medieval Cairo.  It is now a preserved historic site, with mosques and museums.  Roberts describes this landmark with the famous tourist attraction of Mokattam Hill as the "streets of Mooristan."    In the Ottoman period 1848, the Citadel was also called Mohamed Ali Pasha Citadel or Qila Mohammed Ali because of the location of the Mosque of Muhammed Ali Pasha built on the summit of the Citadel.  This was the period when Roberts visited Egypt, spending most of his time in Cairo and the captions of his paintings of the Citadel of Cairo and Muhammed Ali Pasha Mosque read as “Street scene el-Mooristan” and "el-Mooristan Mosque.”  Even the wily Google doesn't recognize "mooristan" as a search code.    It does not exist in history in relation to Cairo nor Egypt.  It does not exist in the Middle East at all nor in the history of any Muslim community.  But the insinuation is derogatory and that's the major attraction. 

"Moor" is used by Western historians as a prefix for every sphere of life of medieval Muslim society for example: "Moorish courtyard," "Moorish garden," "Moorish fountain," "Moorish cuisine" and so on.   These are common captions on artworks by orientalists - contemporaries and successors of David Roberts such as Edwin Weeks and Adrien Dauzats.  Intellectualism is often embedded in traditions as blindly as illiteracy.  Well-read authors of modern times with positive intent seldom refrain using the term "Moors."  It hasn't yet struck them to probe, why "Moors?"  What is the saga behind this strange expression in the lexicon of history?

Last but not least, orientalist historians and artists of the middle ages had no idea of the differences in ethnicity between North Africans and Sub-saharan Africans. They depicted Muslims of North Africa (they called "moors") often as black Africans identical to those those of the sub-Saharan region. Indigenous North Africans are of very different ethnicity, with paler skin, some paler than Europeans (like the Moroccan Berbers), though needless to say, skin color - pale or dark - is completely irrelevant both ethically and progressively.  The point is only to state a fact so often overlooked.











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 on: November 18, 2017, 12:00:21 pm 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by Zeynab
Exactly Sister Heba. 

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 on: November 18, 2017, 11:55:47 am 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn
Wa'Salam folks. 
Br. TS,   Sis Ruhi,  love what you guys stated. 

This kaffir is indeed very, very dumb. 

In a nutshell, it all refers to "Kun Faya Kun."   A lot will happen in the Hereafter; good things to the good and bad things to the bad, things that we can hardly imagine now.   Allah describes his miracles.  Dwellers of Hellfire will be able to bear far greater punishments for they'll have to cope with a very tough challenge, absolutely insurmountable, and yet not die.  Skin will testify, vision might get more piercing etc.  Similarly for dwellers of Paradise, no fatigue, no exhaustion, no sweat, no toil, no ill health, food and beautiful clothing in plenty and much more.  The enormous peace of mind in Paradise will make people feel and look completely different.  All aspects will amalgamate to place both the righteous and the unrighteous in very different situations compared to their earthly lives.  This entire aspect is elucidated throughout the Quran which one is able to grasp as one reads it.  But people like this kaffir have hardly read anything of the Quran except few selected Verses for the purpose of misinterpreting.

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 on: November 18, 2017, 11:47:46 am 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by Zeynab
Wise comments Sister Ruhi.

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 on: November 17, 2017, 12:51:40 pm 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by Ruhi_Rose
Good work me brother!  Honestly I too find these knowledge-less meddlers much too irritating.  When folks don't know what they're talking, the easiest way out is to shut up.   Your emphasis on not mixing up Resurrection with reincarnation is a vital clarification and reminder.  I am also sure that many such mix-ups by the kuffar is done intentionally even though they know the difference. 

In Verses 40:11, 56:60-61 and 71:17 Allah The Greatest highlights His power of performing limitless miracles.  Indeed the Hereafter will be a different world, a permanent world where the believers with pure intentions and clean conduct will acquire (by His permission) whatever they missed out in this unjust world; and indeed if you're a sincere believer with a clean heart & mind, you will end up suffering a great deal in this world.   One would need to be a thundering moron to misconstrue this aspect as "reincarnation."

As everyone knows, Monotheism (Tawheed) is the real Truth established by The Almighty since the earliest time, and polytheism is its corruption by the human mind.   Allah Almighty has confirmed in the Quran that He sent warners (Prophets) to all nations.

"And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, (saying), "Worship Allah and avoid shaitan.""  16:36.

"and there is not a nation but a warner has passed among them."  35:24.


He has also stated in the Quran that he has informed us about some of the Prophets He sent, not all.  The Noble Quran contains the names of 26 Prophets. 

"Verily We sent messengers before you, among them those of whom We have told you, and some of whom We have not told you;"  40:78.

"And messengers We have mentioned unto you before and messengers We have not mentioned unto you;"   4:164.


It's very possible that in ancient times, maybe 10,000 years ago (or more or less) Allah may have sent some Prophet or Prophets in that region today known as India, Burma, Thailand, China and Japan, which is presently immersed in kuffari where they harbor and also try to peddle the nonsense of "reincarnation."  It's likely that the Messenger or Messengers of Allah sent to these regions some time in the distant past explained to them the Message of Tawheed (Monotheism), the vital need of total surrender to Allah alone and the facts about the Day of Resurrection and the Day of Judgement.  But gradually the people went back to polytheism by corrupting the truth of Resurrection and distorting it to the falsehood of reincarnation.   It's these wily acts of traditional mischiefs sprouting in the human mind that replace truth with fiction for the destruction of the human soul.

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 on: November 15, 2017, 04:49:30 pm 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by Zeynab
Walaikum As-salaam dear brother TS.  I just finished reading this.  May Allah Almighty bless you for this dynamic evaluation of the topic and thus exposing the kuffar's misguided distortions of the Noble Quran without a doubt.  I find this fraud about reincaration and sharing of soul absolutely detestable and irritating.  Makes me feel sick!  It's particularly disgusting when the kuffar, with zero knowledge and ulterior motives, try to tamper with Quranic interpretations. 

Thanks again br. TS.  Allah bless. 

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 on: November 15, 2017, 04:38:53 pm 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by N. Truth Seeker
 BismEm

 salamem  everyone


There is a non-Muslim named Bedi Murat Karatas, no idea who this person is, who thinks that Verses 40:11, 56:60 and 71:17 of the Noble Quran refer to "reincarnation."   This person is either a sikh or a hindu or a buddhist whose prime purpose is to nit pick specific Quranic Verses and intentionally misinterpret them on lines of the kuffar faith.  As with all kuffar, this profoundly ignorant person has no idea of Monotheistic values (Tawheed) and its confirmation of the Hereafter, the Ultimate Truth.  And like all such kuffar, this person has also avoided reading the Quran in its entirety or has purposely steered away from Verses which he isn't able to twist  to suit his agenda.

Please know, there is NO such thing as "reincarnation" in the Noble Quran.  Let me correctly explain those three Verses which this kaffir is trying to distort with absolutely wrong ideas.  As the world must know, reincarnation is a fallacious philosophical concept popular among  polytheists claiming that  biological death of a living being gives a new and different physical life to that living being and consequently that living being emerges in the world as a different creature.  The stupidity goes as far as human beings turned into animals in "second life."

Let me give the correct interpretation of the 3 Quranic Verses which kaffir Bedi Murat Karatas is trying to distort.


Verse 40:11
"They say: Our Rab! Twice have You made us die, and twice have You made us live. Now we confess our sins. Is there any way to go out ?"

The two deaths refer to the time before birth and after earthly death prior to Resurrection.  Living twice refers to the earthly mortal life and the immortal life of the Hereafter after Resurrection.   Absolutely NO concept of "reincarnation."  Moreover, Verse 40:11 speaks of the confession of disbelievers and sinners on the Day of Judgment after Resurrection, and how they will try to plead with The Almighty.


Verse 56:60-61

First of all, this man quoted this as "50:60."  He couldn't even mention the correct Verse number.  Chapter 50 is Surah Qaf.  It has 45 Verses in total.  How did he get 60?  Perhaps he doesn't  know how what the Surah numbers and Verse numbers indicate.  This Verse belongs to Surah Al-Waqiah which is the 56th Chapter of the Noble Quran with a total of 96 Verses.    Let me post at least three standard translations of Verses 56:60-61 as follows:

"We ordained death to be among you. Nothing could stop Us if We intended to change you and recreate you in a way unknown to you."  56:60-61 Translation Abdel Haleem.

"We mete out death among you, and We are not to be outrun, That We may transfigure you and make you what ye know not."    56:60-61 Translation Pickthall.

"We have decreed death to you all, and We are not unable, To transfigure you and create you in (forms) that you know not."  56:60-61 Translation Mohsin Khan.


Allah confirms that He has ordained death for everyone, and nothing is impossible for Him to do or achieve.  He has the ability to change a person's outward appearance on the Day of Resurrection to something very different.  For example a person who was ugly in earthly world might get a complete face lift (much better than any earthly plastic surgeons can ever perform) and appear good looking, as a reward if they were believing and righteous on earth.  Similarly disbelieving or unethical person who used to be admired for their charm on earth can have their appearances changed, looking unappealing or even hideous.  Allah does not say that all of this will surely happen.  But He refers that such a task is not impossible for him to perform as He is the All-Powerful and nothing is unattainable for Him.  This Quranic fact is linked with the Quranic assertion of "Kun Faya Kun" or "Be, and it is." (2:117 Surah Al-Baqrah) highlighting the infinite power of Allah .. do not limit The Limitless.

"The Originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decrees a thing, He says unto it only: Be! and it is."  (2:117)  Translation Pickthall.

"The Creator of the heavens and the earth; and when He decrees a thing, He but says to it 'Be,' and it is."  (2:117)  Translation Arberry.


Furthermore, if Allah decides to change someone's outer or inner traits on the Day of Judgment, that person will still remain the same individual with the same soul.  The message which The Almighty conveys in Verses 56:60-61 is a challenge, confirming that He is able to do all things.  Moreover, it refers strictly to the Hereafter.  Even if Allah decides to implement changes in someone, it will be on Judgment Day with NO possibility of returning to earth because the span of earthly life will be over.  Verse 56:60 confirms death for all;  and the stage of existence which Allah Almighty refers in Verse 56:61 is the Hereafter .. and Hereafter comes after the Final Judgement when earth is no more.

Most importantly, Allah Almighty has categorically stated in the Noble Quran that death after  earthly life is FINAL and there is absolutely NO coming back to earth again.

"Until, when death comes unto one of them, he says: My Rab! Send me back,  That I may do right in that which I have left behind! But nay! It is but a word that he speaks; and behind them is a barrier until the day when they are raised."  23:99-100  Translation Pickthall.

"Until, when death comes to one of them, he says, "My Rab, send me back That I might do righteousness in that which I left behind." No! It is only a word he is saying; and behind them is a barrier until the Day they are resurrected."  23:99-100  Translation Sahih International.



Do NOT confuse Resurrection (the truth) with "reincarnation" (the lie):

On the Day of Judgment when Allah Almighty will raise everyone without exception, all will be recreated back to life and each one will be responsible and answerable only for their own soul and subsequently for their own conduct as well as their intentions.  It will be the start of the real life - life of the Hereafter.  If Allah wills, He can make disbelievers and sinners look unsightly, sinister or base which may look very different from what many of them had been on earth.  And if He wills, He can make the righteous believers look more radiant, blissful and noble than they did on earth.  This is called Resurrection which is the final Truth.   Do NOT mix it up with "reincarnation"  which is a false, groundless and misguided idea.


Verses 56:61 explained by Syed Abu Alaa Maududi very explicitly and in greater detail:
 
"Just as Allah was not powerless to create humans in their present form and appearance, so also He is not powerless to change the method of their creation and bring them into being in another form and shape with another set of qualities and characteristics.  To know what this means, let me explain.  Today the method which Allah has adopted for your creation is that conception takes place through the sperm and then the person is gradually formed and developed in their mother's womb, and then they are brought out as an infant. This method of creation has been devised by Allah. But this is not the only method known to Him.  He can devise other methods too.  On the Day of Resurrection Allah can create you of the same age at which you died.  In earthly life Allah has set a particular measure for your sight, hearing and other faculties. But don't think that Allah doesn't have the power to change the characteristics these faculties.  He surely does have the power to do that.  On the Day of Resurrection He can change it, in that, you might be be able to see and hear things which you could not see or hear on earth.  In earthly life your skin, your limbs and your eyes do not possess the power of speech. But on the Day of Resurrection, parts of your body will speak and testify by the Command of Allah. In earthly life, humans have a certain life span and then they die.  Living and dying of all living beings is also controlled by Law ordained by Allah.  If Allah wants, He can ordain some other law to control your life under which you may never die.  On earth you can endure punishment only to a certain extent:  This rule too has been made by Allah, and He can make some other rule according to which you will be able to suffer much harsher punishments endlessly without dying.  On earth, youth changes to old age according to the biological laws established by Allah.  So, you cannot imagine that an old person returning to youth.  But Allah can construct some other law for humanity under which every old person can become young as soon as they enter Paradise and stay young and healthy eternally."

The above paragraph by Syed Abu Alaa Maududi elucidates a fine commentary on Verse 56:61 on the message Allah Almighty conveys  that He can transfigure you and make you into something you know not. 

As anyone can assess and determine from all of the above clarifications, how different the real meaning is from the distortions of the kuffar by falsely connecting this Verse with the fiction of "reincarnation".


Verse 71:17
"And Allah hath caused you to grow as a growth from the earth, And afterward He makes you return thereto, and He will bring you forth again, a (new) forthbringing."

The Verse quoted above is another wonderful and thought-provoking expression of an important fact in the Noble Quran.   Needless to say, this Verse has NOTHING to do with "reincarnation" or anything of that sort.  Here is what the Verse means:   As ordained by Allah, the course of human life basically has the same trend and the similar path of growth as plants.   Allah Almighty created the human body with clay, and finally after completing its course of earthly life, this body again mingles with clay (or earth).  This aspect has been very simply and articulately stated in Verse 71:17-18 which is ever so inspiring.  It brings to mind yet again, the very temporary nature of human life despite human ambitions and pride at making life as complicated as they have.  Yet, none can alter the ultimate destiny and reality of the physical human body as decreed by the Divine Power - and that final destiny is .. back to earth until raised again on the Day of Judgment.

The term "forthbringing" or "bringing forth" the original Arabic of which is "ikhrajan" refers to the final Resurrection on the Day of Judgment, NOT that erroneous idea of "reincarnation" coming back to earth as another creature.


Finally also let me mention, the Noble Quran has made it ample clear that there is NO such concept as two bodies sharing the same soul.  Many polytheists carry this utterly false and illogical notion which belongs to the garbage.

"And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another .... And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to Allah is the [final] destination."  (35:18) Noble Quran. Translation Sahih International.
 
"And guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, …"   (2:48) Noble Quran.  Translation Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall.



Furthermore, Islam which means total submission to Allah alone (that is, Tawheed or Monotheism) is the ONLY Truth and thus it is the ONLY real Religion and the only CORRECT concept.  Anything else is a corruption and NOT accepted by The Almighty, The One and Only.

"And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."  (3:85)   Translation Pickthall.

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 on: November 10, 2017, 12:21:33 pm 
Started by Heba E. Husseyn - Last post by Zeynab
Wonderfully informative thread.

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 on: November 10, 2017, 11:39:15 am 
Started by Zeynab - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn

You're most welcomed dear Sis  Smiley




Actually what made me think of the comparison of death with sleep is that part of Pickthall's translation, quote: "and that (soul) which dies not (yet) in its sleep."  .


Yes, after studying your interpretation, I knew what you meant.  In Pickthall's translation it does convey that impression.  But other translations make it more specific.

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 on: November 10, 2017, 11:34:40 am 
Started by Zeynab - Last post by Zeynab
Walaikum Salaam Sis Heba.  Many thanks for your input.  You are right, the explanation you mentioned is the more accepted one according to most other translations.  I also checked it with Corpus Quran.

"Allah takes the souls (at the) time (of) their death and the one who (does) not die in their sleep.  The He keeps the one whom, He has decreed for them the death, and sends the others for a term specified."  39:42 (Corpus Quran Word by Word translation in English).

Actually what made me think of the comparison of death with sleep is that part of Pickthall's translation, quote: "and that (soul) which dies not (yet) in its sleep."  The translation of this part of Verse 42 of Surah Az-Zumar is more specific in the translations which you posted and also in the translation of Corpus Quran which make it clearer that the reference is to the souls of the people who are asleep. 

It's also a very important Quranic confirmation to remember that our souls pass out of our bodies while we sleep .. and comes back when we awake only in those who still have some time left in this earthly world.  Alhumdulilah .. awesome!

Many thanks again dear Sis.    Allah bless.

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