Guests wanting to sign-up as members MUST first introduce themselves in detail at Zainab's Lounge, accessible from Muslim Villa's Guestbook Board (top sticky post titled "Zainab's Lounge"). Approval of members is at the discretion of the MV Team. You have arrived at a place of serious learning through mutual consultation where we have zero tolerance for trouble-makers, narcissists and needless disputants. We simply stand for what is compatible with the Sublime Quran regardless of titles such as "traditionalism" or "modernism."
Muslim Villa
October 27, 2020, 07:24:30 pm
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 
   Home   Help Search Arcade Gallery Links Staff List Calendar Login Register  

+-
Shoutbox
July 07, 2020, 11:23:26 am N. Truth Seeker: InshAllah, vaccine will come but might take a bit of time.
July 07, 2020, 11:22:43 am Heba E. Husseyn: Exactly ... !
July 07, 2020, 11:22:10 am Zeynab: World stuck in a pandemic desperately needs a vaccine.
July 07, 2020, 11:21:18 am N. Truth Seeker: lol true.
July 07, 2020, 11:20:59 am N. Truth Seeker: Very soon it will be neck deep.
July 07, 2020, 11:20:23 am Heba E. Husseyn: Dr. Fauci in US says country is knee-deep in pandemic.
May 30, 2019, 06:15:49 am Zeynab: Alhudulilah, yes sister Ruhi.  Time flies in this fleeting world.  May Allah The Almighty accept our hard work in the permanent world.  That's the real success.
May 30, 2019, 03:43:58 am Ruhi_Rose: Jumaa-tul-widaa (farewell to Ramadan) tomorrow Friday 31.  How time flies!  Ya Allah, keep us close to Your mercy.
View Shout History
Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 10
 1 
 on: Today at 02:09:06 am 
Started by Heba E. Husseyn - Last post by Zeynab


Indeed that's wonderfully summed up, Sister Ruhi.   Zoom discussions during the pandemic lockdowns are real good idea.   Alhumdulilah.

Walaikum As-Salaam wa Rehmatullahi wa Barakatuhu.



 2 
 on: October 25, 2020, 11:27:26 pm 
Started by Heba E. Husseyn - Last post by N. Truth Seeker


Wa'Salam Sister Ruhi.    Alhumdulilah, I think you've summed it up very well with specifics in regard to the Arabic vocabulary from original Quranic Verses.  I don't have anything more to add.   Those intractable kids should now understand as the truth is very obvious .. unless they're arguing with a pre-conditioned mind and don't want to understand. 

 3 
 on: October 25, 2020, 09:39:45 pm 
Started by Heba E. Husseyn - Last post by Ruhi_Rose



As-Salam Alaykum dear folks.     Returning to this gorgeous thread!!  InshAllah, we're having a Zoom discussion with our Islamic community centre on this topic coming Saturday as some moms are worried their young adult children claim Quran does not refer to moon as derived light.  These parents are mostly reaping the fruits of their own harvest by not giving enough time to their children when they were young.  So now, these hulking kids are pretty much deviated.  Secondly, Arabic not being the first language of most of them, they only rely on translations, and as we know there are certain issues which the translation cannot convey clearly and articulately as the original. 

I am preparing a write-up on this subject by wrapping up the contents of this thread focused on the point that, as we know, the Quran makes it ample clear  the sun is the source of light and the moon get lit up by the sun.  The eloquent Quranic method in Arabic is artistic and tasteful and it doesn't go along plain or literal descriptions as in a book of astronomy for middle school kids.  That makes it still harder for those with zero knowledge of Arabic language to follow because they make no effort to explore it. 

The following is my understanding of this thread which I intend to speak in the upcoming discussion, InshAllah.  Please correct me (if) wherever I'm wrong. 


Looking at few of the most often recited Verses which include Verses 10:5, 71:16, 25:61 and 42:52 .. all quoted as follows with original.  Please know the translations do not (and cannot) accurately explain this aspect as the original does because English lacks the necessary vocabulary and style to explicate this analogy.  Therefore stay firmly focused on the original alongside the translation.

(10:5)    هُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ ضِيَاءً وَالْقَمَرَ نُورًا وَقَدَّرَهُ مَنَازِلَ لِتَعْلَمُوا عَدَدَ السِّنِينَ وَالْحِسَابَ
"He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning." 


(71:16)      وَجَعَلَ الْقَمَرَ فِيهِنَّ نُورًا وَجَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ سِرَاجًا
"And has made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp ?"


(25:61)     تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ فِي السَّمَاءِ بُرُوجًا وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا سِرَاجًا وَقَمَرًا مُنِيرًا
"Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light! "


(42:52) وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ رُوحًا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا ۚ مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَٰكِنْ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا نَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ نَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۚ وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ 
"And thus have We inspired in you (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. You knew not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And indeed! you verily do guide unto a right path,"  


Let us consult the Quran to confirm this point by reading the literal comparisons as well as the variations. 


Verse 10:5  "He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning."  (Please refer to original Arabic above).

The sun is mentioned as radiant (ضِيَا  dhia) which literally means lamp or lighted candle, implying an object that emits light.  The moon is called light (نُورًا  nuran from 'nur') alluding to illumination and its reflection.   To clarify further, Allah says, the moon has phases which a radiant object like a lamp or lighted candle cannot have.  But since moon reflects light, hence it gives out light in accordance with the illumination which it receives from the original source.   In both Verses 10:5 as well as 71:16, the term "nuran" is used for moon. So the moon only gave out what it received, thus it has phases like the planets in the solar system. That is why we see the phases varying in intensity depending on the angle sun, moon, earth.  These phases have also been described in the Quran and summed up briefly and perfectly in Verse 36:39, "And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf." 

Now looking at Verse 25:61 "Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light! "   (Please refer to original Arabic above).

The word مُنِيرًا  ("muniran" from munir) which means light similar to nuran which is the moon, and the word
سِرَاجًا  ("sirajan" from siraj) for the sun.   Like the term "nuran," muniran also means something that shines, implying shining with light coming from around it or outside of it.  In Arabic the words nur and munir do not refer to light coming from the object itself like a lamp or electric bulb or lighted candle.  These translations are only used for the sun.  In original Arabic either "dhia" or "sirajan," both terms stand for lamp or lighted candle which give or produce their own light.  Arabic is a rich language, and Quranic Arabic in particular is tremendously eloquent!  Light which is thrown back or reflected is always in the form rays ➡  and thus it has to have an origin.  The origin is always the sun in all such Verses.  There's no equivalent for this in English explaining the difference between an object that originates light and another that reflects light.  But within the Arabic vocabulary, you do find separate sets of words defining the two kinds of light, originating and reflecting - sirajan or dhia and nuran or muniran, respectively.


Finally please refer to Verse 42:52 "And thus have We inspired in you (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. You knew not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And indeed! you verily do guide unto a right path,"  (Please refer to original Arabic above).

This is a metaphorical Verse.   As we've already understood, the term نوراً  (nuran) refers to something that glows after being illuminated.  The expression of reflected light is here used metaphorically, in a different context implying to something other than the moon.   The same word “nūran” (reflected light or illumination) alludes to the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), implying guidance that gets people out of darkness into light. The source of guidance (light or illumination) is Allah The Almighty.   The Quran and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are only reflecting that light or illumination (guidance) that is coming from Allah. 


So let everyone keep in mind, the Quran does NOT say anywhere that the light of the moon is inherent.  Nowhere at all. 
  


                                                                                                                                   

 4 
 on: October 17, 2020, 10:47:12 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Ruhi_Rose


Couldn't agree more, brother.  Altered bibles are the source of top-notch ignorance-cum-idiocy we commonly refer to as jahalat.




... the Catholic Church which even forbade the study of medicine, declaring the Muslim doctors of Al-Andalusia as "sorcerers" and dubbing Abu Zahrawi (father of surgery who invented catgut for stitching wounds) as a man performing witchcraft. ..


 😄


 5 
 on: October 17, 2020, 10:43:00 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by N. Truth Seeker


Good read, easy, to the point and precise. 

The altered Bible claims that Jesus could see the entire Earth from a single high location (Matthew 4:8).  I am sure if Prophet Essa (pbuh) heard this, he would be shocked at the lies of his so-called followers!   Altered Bible makes many such statements because it believed that earth was flat.  What Bible writers meant was that the entire earth could be seen from a single spot since the whole planet was brightened with the sun's light at the same time, something which could only be possible if the earth was flat.  If the earth was flat, then the full moon (and all phases of the moon) would appear at the same time from all places.   But today we know that this is false. Moreover, if the sky is clear the full moon can only be seen at night from sunset to sunrise, not during the daytime because the earth is round or spherical and it rotates. This was asserted in the Quran 1,442 years ago.  Western sources boast that spherical shape of the earth was common knowledge since the time of Greek philosophers more than 2,000 years ago.  Yet the altered Bibles written and re-written since 2,000 years is full of contents describing the earth as flat.  Just about everywhere in Europe the presumption of a flat earth existed throughout the rule of the Catholic Church which even forbade the study of medicine, declaring the Muslim doctors of Al-Andalusia as "sorcerers" and dubbing Abu Zahrawi (father of surgery who invented catgut for stitching wounds) as a man performing witchcraft.  Hilarious!   

To have a full moon, the sun, Earth and moon have to be aligned.  If full moon is visible in your location of the earth, then that is the precise time of this alignment.


 6 
 on: October 17, 2020, 10:37:41 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Ruhi_Rose


Yeah Sis, that point you mentioned could very likely be a motive behind this superstition. 

 7 
 on: October 17, 2020, 10:35:52 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Zeynab


So interesting.   I particularly liked the sum-up in you final paragraph.  In this regard it's useful to read the entire set of Verses in the Noble Quran on the moon which our readers can find in the following link:

"Moon in the Quran"  
  
In those ancient times of paganism, moon worship was common.  And this idea of moon affecting minds sneakily denotes the pagan myth of the moon's power on humans and animals.  Total rubbish. 


 

 8 
 on: October 17, 2020, 05:40:47 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Ruhi_Rose



Surrounded by a mysterious and uncanny aura, the moon and its possible influence over human behavior has been the object of ancestral fascination and mythical speculation for centuries.  The idea that the lunar cycle influences sleep and behavioral patterns of people and animals dates back thousands of years. Though full moon turning people into werewolves is too absurd to be accepted even by folklore fans, websites and storybooks are quite full of doctored images of wolves, dogs and cats staring at a bright full moon in adulation, sometimes howling or whining, birds getting agitated and chirping loudly, pet clinics being congested during the full moon phase, and the tales are unending!  But this entire concept has been dismissed by modern medicine, little beyond legends and fables that largely come from the entertainment world of movies and fiction bestsellers. None of those animal behavior happen necessarily and exclusively during the full moon nor has any scientific reason been discovered yet to link them with cycles of the moon.  Similar abstractions on altered human habits, responses and reactions during full moon have been found just as baseless.

While few works of research have suggested there might be a bit of truth to these ancient folklores, they haven’t been able to present any convincing evidence.

There are some modernists too who  give the benefit of the doubt to this traditional folk tale based on the ‘gravitational’ potential of the moon. But again, that idea has shown itself to be evidence-free.  Though the gravity of the moon does pull the oceans towards it causing high tide on the side of the earth closest to the moon, there is absolutely no supportive evidence to authenticate that the moon’s gravitational pull also “pulls” the brain or causes changes in the behavior of humans and animals.




There are opinions that full moon causes a bad night's sleep and thus the mental alterations. But is there any science behind these myths? Can the moon affect your mood? Does it make people crazy? Science says there’s no proof to accept such views.  So, traditionalists ask each other, could centuries of folklore be wrong?  Well, traditions are wrong, more often than not!  😐

Even at present, many doctors, nurses, EMTs, police officers and elementary school teachers concur that full moon causes bizarre behavior.  Nearly 45 percent of healthcare professionals believe in what they call “the lunar influence.”  Over 80 percent of mental healthcare specialists agree.  But is there really a lunar connection to abnormal behavior?  Science says NO.  There have been hundreds (if not thousands) of scientific studies.  All have failed to turn up a shred of evidence of the lunar influence. Those few studies that claim a connection are usually disproved or contradicted by others.   For instance, one study says more animal bites from cats and dogs occur at the full moon.  Another says there are no increase in dog or cat bites.  Another one shows an increase in crimes during the full moon. Others find no increase in felony, offenses and arrests at the time of a full moon than at any other period.  

There is also an opinion that full moon causes a bad night’s sleep.  Some years ago between 2010 and 2015, a research was done on over 5,000 children from differing social backgrounds to observe if any changes in the pattern of behavior or sleep occurred during the various phases of the moon. Apart from noticing a trend that nighttime sleep during full moon often decreased by 5 minutes compared to new moon, no other behavioral or sleep changes were observed.  That was  compelling evidence that moon does nothing to influence sleep, and consequently nothing to alter behavior that may ensue from disturbed or lack of sleep. A decrease of sleep by a duration of 5 minutes will certainly not ruin anyone’s health.  Despite many such assertions by science, what’s really weird is that 45 percent of college students are of the opinion that “moonstruck” people are likely to act strange, and mental health professionals (of all people) may be more likely than laypeople to accept this odd theory.

One explanation for this baseless belief might be what psychologists call “confirmation bias” or in other words, psychosomatism.  People are more likely to notice or assert something that confirms a pre-existing notion.  If you’re working in a clinic and something strange happens on a full moon, a colleague of yours might say with an approving smile “must be because of the full moon”  because that’s what they heard from their elders.  But if something weird happens at a different phase of the lunar cycle, you will never hear anyone say, “must be the half moon or crescent moon effect.”  And when nothing unusual happens on a full moon, no one even thinks of this folklore and nothing is said.  So, it’s all a bundle of confusion and contradictions and thoroughly unscientific.  Behavior of people change or may sometimes seem weird or anxious because of emotional stress and hectic schedules linked to the challenges of life, not the moon.  If wolves, dogs or cats are observed staring at the full moon, they are obviously relaxing and enjoying the bright scenario just as humans enjoy spending time outdoors picnicking in the evening during a full moon.  It’s that simple!  





Ancient societies dwelled on this myth for which there was a very strong reason. They were not followers of the Monotheistic Faith and therefore they never pondered on science and logic, filling their lives with plenty of superstitions and absurdities.  The Noble Quran is full of scientific information.  It also mentions the phases of the moon, its uses and its beneficial purpose for humans.  All from a purely practical viewpoint that particularly mattered in times prior to the invention of electricity.  The Quran never states nor hints of any connections between the phases of the moon and human/animal behavior.   Knowing the comprehensive approach of the Noble Quran, if there was really a connection between full moon and the mind, there would have certainly been some mention of it in our Final Message either directly or indirectly.  But the Quran states nothing to validate this postulation.


Related post:

- Sleep Paralysis:  Is it connected with possession by Jinn?
- Conditioning the mind
- Differing nature of light from sun and moon




 9 
 on: October 13, 2020, 08:01:30 pm 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by Ruhi_Rose


This is a very informative piece of history.   Iran backers are generally of the opinion that Azerbaijan's Israeli link has cautioned Iran.  But as you rightly pointed out so many other allies of Iran with deeper Israeli links, and yet Iran seems quite at ease with them.  They also say Israel has set up some sort of espionage center in one of its consulates in Azerbaijan.  Don't know how far this is correct, and if so, indeed it doesn't sound good.  But the question that arises is how did things come to this point between Iran and Azerbaijan?  Has Iran's shoulder-rubbing with Armenia and giving them weapons prove to be a tipping point between Iran and Azerbaijan?  As you said, majority of Azeris aren't secular, and there are plenty of Iranian Azeris too in the provinces of east & west Azerbaijan of Iran.  Compared to that, Iran can expect nothing from Armenia in return except selling them weapons.  Doesn't sound good at all.  Briefly, with Iran it's all about money these days.  It's befriended India and Oman despite their warm ties with Israel because Iran is hopeful of lucrative trade with them.  That same monetary incentive isn't there in Azerbaijan.

 

 10 
 on: October 13, 2020, 07:43:07 pm 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn


O really?   The Karabakh region was stolen by the Sassanids?   I never knew that, except that I'm not surprised.  Both Achaemenid and Sassanid empires that are supposed to constitute Iran's ancient culture carried little to be proud of, to be honest.  They were just warriors, fierce warriors, and synonymous with spears, sheathed swords, iron armour, iron, bronze and silver war masks.  That's as far as they went.


Rumors are periodically spewed by certain circles of Arab secularists and segments of Iranians, fanned by self designated Western "leftists," that Syrian opposition fighters have been sent to Nagorno-Karabakh to fight the Armenians.    A slight dissection of this argument tells us these ideas are fairly absurd.   If true, it’s probably the first time in our pan-Islamic history that Salafist Sunnis are helping a Shiia country to fight orthodox Christians!   Normally, Salafists would rather help Christians or Zionists or any non-Muslim entity against Shiia Muslims.  No matter how attractive might be the salaries of Salafist mercenaries for assisting a predominantly Shiia community, their deep-rooted natural aversion for Shiias would eventually get the better of them.   Sooner rather than later, they would either switch sides or quit in favor of terrorist activities back to Syria, Iraq or Libya.

This is a very logical point.   I cannot imagine those Al-Nusra type guys coming from Syria or Libya amidst the Shiia community of Azeris fighting in their favor. 

Very perceptive trudge through history.  Thanks brother.



Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 10
Powered by EzPortal
Scammers & spammers will be reported | © If you borrow MV contents you must mention our link with hypertext | MV Team is not responsible for comments by members or guests.
Bookmark this site! | Upgrade This Forum
SMF For Free - Create your own Forum


Powered by SMF | SMF © 2016, Simple Machines
Privacy Policy