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September 12, 2016, 03:17:09 am N. Truth Seeker: Wa salam sisters. So kind of u to remember. Alhumdulilah that Allah gave us another chance to live thru the blessed month of Zil Hajj.  Was a busy time for all of my family.
September 11, 2016, 08:26:43 am Zeynab: Wa'salaam my dear Sis Heba Smiley  Yes, Alhumdulilah, the 10 days of this blessed month went well by the Grace & Mercy of Allah. I wish the same for all.
September 11, 2016, 02:20:02 am Heba E. Husseyn: Salam my dear MV team and other sis and bros.  I pray the first 10 days of the bless month of Zil Hajj has passed well for all.  Hajj culminates in about 2 days. InshAllah.
August 22, 2016, 09:50:39 pm Zeynab: Wa'salam.  Thanks brother Smiley  Sis Heba helped me a lot too.
August 22, 2016, 09:33:50 pm N. Truth Seeker: Salam all.  MV Pinterest Boards are super, Alhumdulilah.
June 11, 2016, 06:35:43 am Zeynab: u r absolutely right sis Ruhi.
June 11, 2016, 06:32:29 am Ruhi_Rose: I came across a pinterest page on the Quran which says "The Quran is the central religious text of Islam."  Let me put it this way: Quran is the ONLYText of Islam. If u r following the Quran, u don't need anything else.
June 06, 2016, 06:20:53 am Zeynab: Ramadan Kareem to all.
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 on: March 26, 2017, 02:44:49 am 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Zeynab
Walaikum Salaam dear Sister Heba.  SubhanAllah.  I read your post with wrapt concentration.  Very informative and helpful, particularly clarifying that Jumm'ah is not in any way same as Friday.  It's just that Jumm'ah as the 6th day of our Islamic weekly calendar happens to coincide with Friday in another weekly calendar.   It was also interesting to read the names of other Islamic weeks.  Most Muslims (forget about non-Muslims) would only know the name Jumm'ah.  Hardly any of them know the names of other week days.  Isn't that sad?  Many thanks Sister.  Great post.

 on: March 24, 2017, 01:19:30 am 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn
Salam and good question brother.  You're also right the names of Christian week days have very pagan origins and is a complicated, irrelevant mess.

To focus on the topic you are inquiring about .....

The only common feature between Islamic, Jewish and Christian weeks is that the total number of days are seven in all three week calendars. In Islam, every new day begins at Fajr, including Jumah.  Among Jews, I would presume new days begin at sunset and so their sabbath day on Saturday begins at dusk.  For Christians new day begins at midnight including their religious day, Sunday.

According to our jurists, the seven Islamic week days and their official serial arrangement corresponding to the Christian week days are as follows:-  This is from E. Arabic Learning.

Please know, in the Islamic week days written in English alphabets above, the sound of "s" is written as "th" as they often do.  Therefore the Islamic week days can more easily be pronounced as follows:-

1)  As-Sabt
2)  Al-Ahad
3) A-lisnayn 
4) As sulasa
5) Al-arbaa
6) Al-khamis
7)  Al-jumah

As we know, "yawm" in Arabic means 'day.'   These names of Islamic week days are authentic.

However, I have no information on how or when the above arrangement of numbering the Islamic days corresponding to Jewish/Christian days were decided.   But I am certain that during the Prophet's (pbuh) lifetime in the Medinah era, this was NOT the serial arrangement of the Islamic week days.  The Sabbath in the Quran has been mentioned as a day that was instructed to the Jews aforetime. The Quran does not instruct the followers of the Monotheistic Faith to continue observing Sabbath.  Thus, Sabbath had / has no significance among those who follow the Final Message, The Noble Quran.  In other words, the Islamic week days did not start from As-Sabt and end with Al-jumah as being interpreted today.  Rather it started with Al-Ahad (which is Sunday according to Jews & Christians).  The name of this day is itself the evidence that it is the first day of the Islamic week.  As we all know, Al-Ahad in Arabic means THE ONE.  In this weekly calendar, Al-Ahad refers to 'the first' meaning the first day of the week.  Thus, quite surely, the Muslim weekly calendar starts with Al-Ahad (corresponding to Sunday for Christians & Jews) as the first day of the Islamic a week and ends at As-Sabt (corresponding to Saturday) as the 7th day of the Islamic week, and Al-Jumm'ah - the day of gathering or congregation prayer - is the sixth day of the our Islamic week.  One can be pretty certain that this is the way it was during the Prophet's (pbuh) time in Medinah.  This is surely the right arrangement.

With Jews and Christians, the week starts with Monday and ends on Sunday.  This means, Monday is the first day of their week and Sunday is the last.  The religious days of Jews and Christians - Saturdays & Sundays, respectively - are the sixth and seventh days of their week.

So,  here is how I would arrange it:

Hence, the answer to your question:  Al-Jumm'ah is the sixth day of our week calendar  that coincides with the fifth day of the Christian/Jewish week of Friday.  Since many Muslims today aren't acquainted with the Arabic names of our week days, they simply draw parallels between Jumm'ah and Friday and so Friday is commonly taken as the Islamic equivalent of Jumm'ah.  But in reality, Jumm'ah of the Islamic week and Friday of the Christian week have very, very different origins.  Jumm'ah is named after the day of gathering or congregation prayers as instructed in the Noble Quran.  Origin of the name Friday, as you mentioned, is nothing but a pagan fiction.

Many Muslim sources do accept Al-Jumm'ah as the sixth day of our weekly calendar, but they also put up As-Sabt as the first day.  In that case (even if As-Sabt) is taken as a holiday, serially Al-Jummah becomes the 7th day as shown in the Islamic calendar posted by E.Arabic Learning.    But this is not the case as Sabbath is not observed by Muslims and henceforth it isn't recognized as such, making it simply the last or 7th day of the Islamic week.  That's it.

It's also very possible that Al-Jummah was not a day of rest (or holiday) in Medinah during the Prophet's time.  For that reason Verses 62:9-10 clearly indicate that after the congregation prayer is over, believers are entitled to resume their work or business.  Or, even if it was a day of rest, there's nothing wrong if someone wants to work on that day.

Last but not least (something I already stated earlier as you quoted), it wasn't the day of gathering or the day of congregational prayer that was fitted into an already existing day called "Friday" in Medinah, something which many Muslim circles too keep implying.  Rather, it was the 6th day of the Islamic week which came to be named "Jumm'ah" after the day of congregation prayer as instructed in the Noble Quran.

 on: March 22, 2017, 02:25:54 am 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by N. Truth Seeker
I had missed this post for years and found it now via Google while searching  Smiley

Thank you for the relevant info Sister Ruhi. 

I'm looking to get some more info on the origin of the day Jumm'ah as Sister Zeynab also requested earlier in her comment here.

"The Islamic week day of Jummah corresponds to the Christian week day of Friday. "

"it's obvious that the name Jum'ah given to that day is on account of the Jam'ah or congregation prayers.  Apparently that particular day selected by the Prophet (S) for offering congregational prayer at that time came to be known as Jum'ah.  But most people seem to miss this point.  They think it's the other way round, as if one of the days called Jum'ah already existed and the congregational prayer was fitted into it." 

I understand the above points, but I would like an analysis of it.  What I mean is, how did our Muslim jamm'ah or congregational prayer happen to be adjusted on the Christian calendar of "Friday?"

For e.g.  Islam ru writes "Friday is the sixth day in Islamic week. The literal meaning of Friday is congregation."

If you focus on this statement, it's not correct.  They are forgetting that "Friday" is the name of the 5th day of the week in the Christian calendar.  During the Prophet's (pbuh) time or earlier, there was no day of the week known as "Friday" in the Arabian peninsula.  Well, I know there were Christians living in Medinah as minority in the 6th and 7th centuries who might be following the Christian week days because the Jews and pagans had their own week day names.  But I'm quite sure that until the 7th century the Christian week days which were named after the sun, moon and planets had different names.  Probably Friday was named after the planet Venus. That was changed into "Freya" by Anglo Saxons based on one of their idols.  The name 'freya' later became Friday .. don't know how.  But that's not important to me.  Names of Christian week days and how they came about has a long and boring history with pagan roots as the Romans and Anglo Saxons were formerly pagans.

Coming back to my actual question, how did Jumm'ah prayer get adjusted with Friday of the Christian week calendar and consequently "Jummah" became the Arabic equivalent of Friday? 

Looking forward to reading your views, Insh'Allah.

 on: March 20, 2017, 12:08:29 am 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Ruhi_Rose
A warm welcome as always dear Sister Zeynab  Smiley

 on: March 20, 2017, 12:05:33 am 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Zeynab
Excellent advise in superb words. Love the image & caption.  Many thanks Sis Ruhi.  Allah bless.

 on: March 20, 2017, 12:02:09 am 
Started by Heba E. Husseyn - Last post by Zeynab
Wonderful elucidation Sister Heba and you've given a good clarification of Maududi's commentary too.   Ruhi's comment (namely the last para) reflects additional insight of this subject, quote "Even parents are accepting the lewd deeds or acts of kufr of their adult kids with a smile on their faces lest they fear their kids will stop seeing them.  The world is simply revolving around self interest.  Really sad situation."  I think we had earlier alluded to this aspect.  It's really sad that's turning otherwise good people into transgressors because they're so fixated on the issue of self interest. 

 on: March 18, 2017, 03:50:12 am 
Started by Heba E. Husseyn - Last post by Ruhi_Rose
Had been musing on this Verse for sometime.   Your opinion is very interesting,  realistic and helpful. I was thinking on the same lines, that Allah Almighty is telling us that there are other kinds of wrong doers apart from those whom we certainly know as the transgressors.  In other words, the Verse refers to the silent crooks whose hearts aren't altogether clean but they keep their tactics concealed.

I think it alludes to a person who may occasionally give in to certain immoralities.  Though he/she might not indulge in wrongdoing, they are comfortable in the company of those who do and even protect them.   Unfortunately it's quite a common and slack mindset and it does amount to wavering from righteousness indicating lack of concern for righteousness even if they haven't indulged in immoralities themselves.  They have no desire to be righteous role models for others including their own children.  Obviously they won't go too far teaching good morals to their kids either.

This is just so correct.  We know quite a few people who might not give in to immoralities themselves, yet are on perfectly good terms with the immoral ones.  They see absolutely no reason to be wary of their influence.  Nor do they see any reason to accept that their immoralities are improper.  Even parents are accepting the lewd deeds or acts of kufr of their adult kids with a smile on their faces lest they fear their kids will stop seeing them.  The world is simply revolving around self interest.  Really sad situation  Sad 

 on: March 18, 2017, 03:06:57 am 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Ruhi_Rose
Right on Sis Heb.  The overabundance of braggarts is one big reason for suffering the ordeal of detestable personalities.  Unfortunately many wretches just don't know what humility and contentment means.   

 on: March 16, 2017, 12:06:26 am 
Started by Heba E. Husseyn - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn

"And guard yourselves against a chastisement which cannot fall exclusively on those of you who are wrong-doers, and know that Allah is severe in punishment." (8:25).

One may ask, what category of people does Allah refer to when He mentions of punishment falling also on those outside the circle of wrong doers?  The following is Abu Alaa Maududi's interpretation.

"If immoral practices remain confined to a few people while the overall moral concern of the society prevents those practices from becoming widespread and public, their harmful effects remain limited. But when the collective conscience of the society is weakened to a point whereby immoral practices are not suppressed becomes omnipresent, when people indulge in evils without any sense of shame, when good people adopt a passive attitude and are content with being righteous merely in their own lives and are unconcerned or silent about collective evils, then the entire society invites its doom."  (Commentary V.8:25 by Maududi).

But I have a hunch this explanation isn't altogether correct.  After all, if the large majority turns immoral and only a small majority remains righteous, it's not humanly possible for them to do anything other than taking care of their own conduct and not being a party to the wrong doers.  This concept has also been conveyed in several Verses of the Quran where the Prophet (pbuh) is told that his responsibility is only to convey the Message, not to keep a watch over the disobedient ones.

I don't think it's the same concept as "Amr bi al-Ma’ruf  ...."   More on that later.

If immorality and corruption get too pervasive, a few good people can do nothing to help except helping themselves by keeping away from the filth around them.   Also, there are times when transgressions becomes so rampant that even the innocent ones are dragged in.   But the question is, how?  Did they allow themselves to get dragged in or were they forcibly dragged into it?   

Example:  A believer may be kidnapped / captured by heathens and be forced under torture or threats of death to denounce Faith.  If such a believer caves in under duress but his/her heart abhors what they are being forced into, are not guilty.  The Noble Quran has made this aspect very clear in accordance to its principles.  In such a scenario, if the person going through the ordeal is a victim with a clean heart and straight intent, he or she has nothing to fear.  The ultimate punishment will fall on their tormentors.

Maybe Maududi refers to a person who might have been righteous when not tempted but when tested with evils around them, proved to be less steadfast than necessary.   I think it alludes to a person who may occasionally give in to certain immoralities.  Though he/she might not indulge in wrongdoing, they are comfortable in the company of those who do and even protect them.   Unfortunately it's quite a common and slack mindset and it does amount to wavering from righteousness indicating lack of concern for righteousness even if they haven't indulged in immoralities themselves.  They have no desire to be righteous role models for others including their own children.  Obviously they won't go too far teaching good morals to their kids either.

In other words, this refers to those who are laid back to the extent that they aren't pushed by the evil going on around them.  It's understandable that they don't have the power to stop it.  But as a part of their own righteous conduct, they should at least harbor the awareness to condemn it verbally for then only will their good influence prevail on the younger ones of their families and whosoever they frequently communicate with.

"And when they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We rescued those who forbade wrong, and visited those who did wrong with dreadful punishment because they were evil-livers."  (7:165) Al-Araf.

The Noble Quran also explicitly clarifies the situation when a sincere believer whose heart has comfort in Faith, may be compelled to disbelieve under coercive circumstances, is not blameworthy.

"Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom" (16:106) An-Nahl.

Many Verses in the Noble Quran state that the Prophet's (pbuh) core mission is only to convey the Message and not to keep a watch over people.

"Obey Allah and obey the messenger, and beware! But if you turn away, then know that the duty of Our messenger is only plain conveyance (of the message)."  5:92 - Al Maida.

"The duty of the messenger is only to convey (the message)."  5:99 - Al Maida.

"If they surrender, then truly they are rightly guided, and if they turn away, then it is thy duty only to convey the message (unto them). Allah is Seer of (His) bondmen."  3:20  Al-Imran.

This also includes the Prophet's (pbuh) task of explaining the Quranic Message to the community to simplify it for them.

"With clear proofs and writings; and We have revealed unto you the Remembrance that you may explain to mankind that which has been revealed for them, and that haply they may reflect."  16:44  An-Nahl.

"And We have revealed the Scripture unto you only that you may explain unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe." 16:64 An-Nahl.

There are also Verses in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty mentions that He sent the apostle (pbuh) to "recite" and to "instruct" and "teach" the people concerning the Message.   Refer to Verses 2:129, 3:164, 62:2, and more.   I repeat, this includes the task of conveying the Message.

Thus, the Prophet's (pbuh) mission was to deliver the Message of Allah Almighty to the people by reciting it to them and then explaining what he recited.  After that, it was up to the people to accept and follow for the betterment of their own soul.  Whoever decides otherwise, hurt their own soul, and for such folks the Prophet (pbuh) is no longer responsible.  There is absolutely no scope of doubts on this concept which has been categorically stated by Allah is many Verses.

You can always tell the measure of a man by the company he keeps.  That's the broad reference.

V.8:25 doesn't exactly represent the concept of “Amr bi al-Ma’ruf Wa Nahy ‘an al- munkar” which refers to a situation when there are still enough righteous people left in the society to revolt against the unrighteous.   More specifically it refers to a corrupt government that has lost its mandate with its people, and the people rise against it.

 on: March 15, 2017, 11:22:04 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn
Alhumdulilah and MashAllah ....  Smiley  this is such a precious post dear Sis.  Thanks a bundle.  Indeed contentment helps tremendously to promote happiness based on a strong iman.  It's become such a rare quality in adults, because they aren't taught the beauty of contentment as children.  No matter how much they claim to be happy, they're miserable caught up in a life perpetually competing over materialism.  The pressure it puts on the minds of people is itself mind-wreaking!  and it's the root cause of jealousy, bragging and an overall detestable personality. 

As parents, my husband and I are just to eager to instill the virtue of contentment in the hearts & minds of our kids. 

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