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 on: February 23, 2021, 09:52:52 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn


Very welcome  ..

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 on: February 23, 2021, 09:52:06 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Ruhi_Rose



Subhan'Allah.  That makes it clearer.  Thanks in plenty again Sis.

 3 
 on: February 23, 2021, 09:48:28 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn



You're very welcome sister.




And your mention of Aql, can that be taken as the same as Nafs or emotion (ihsas)?



Not really.  Well, again, there's the element of subjectivity. 

Aql (as a whole) is more or less commonly accepted as cognition.  Cognition is the mental process of the mind that enables us to make decisions, and a healthy cognitive process helps us to recognize what's logical or suitable or otherwise.   Nafs, in my opinion, is part of the mind linked with emotions, feelings and inclinations.  It can go either way, right or wrong, depending on the strength and will-power of the Nafs.

Sometimes, depending on the perception of the researcher, Nafs is seen as the center of emotions and inclinations.   Some other analysts and clinicians view Nafs as ego.   Yet others view Nafs as the center of inclinations and emotions or ihsas as a separate entity.

For example, see this technical illustration.  It has divided Nafs and Ihsas into separate entities and hasn't specified ego at all.   

 



Hence, I prefer sticking to my previous representation.  It's makes sense and is uncomplicated.




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 on: February 23, 2021, 09:18:11 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Ruhi_Rose


Thank you very much for your opinion Sister Heba.   Your elaboration focusing on Arabic grammar is thought provoking .. Ruh and spiritual Qalb the same and physical Qalb a separate entity. 

And your mention of Aql, can that be taken as the same as Nafs or emotion (ihsas)?



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 on: February 23, 2021, 09:09:53 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Heba E. Husseyn



I think it's a very thoughtful and comprehensive wrap-up, Mash'Allah.   That's my frank view.  Thank you to your husband. 

Scholars of different schools use these terms in different ways.   But in a general sense, they all refer to the same broad reality that it's the Ruh which is eternal while everything else within the body dies when the Ruh finishes its term and passes out of the body.
 




In early Arabic literature, nafs meant “self,” or “person.”   To say that someone has wronged their nafs can very logically mean they have wronged themselves. 

 


Spot on.  Yeah, brother TS also implied the same in one of his comments.   This makes a lot of sense.  When a person commits a violation, they wrong their Ruh, and prior to that they wrong their own person (the weak Nafs) that prompts them to indulge in a violation and thus ruin their soul.





It's generally the 'urafa' or Muslim mystics (that is, Sufis) who perceive Qalb as the spiritual heart.  Do they also refer to the physical heart as Qalb?   I would think so, as I do not know any other term they mention for it.



Mash'Allah, this is interesting and an excellent point to ponder upon.    Personally I do see the spiritual Qalb as another expression for the Ruh.  When Allah Almighty says in the Noble Quran about the misguided ones that (paraphrasing) it's their hearts that are blind and not the eyes, the sufi category would conclude it to be the 'spiritual heart.'   Actually and quite apparently, it's the same as the Ruh or soul .. when the Ruh, influenced by the Nafs (or can be be influenced by the  Aql) .... gets trapped into negative temptations and turns blind (that is, reprobate).

Indeed it sounds very true that if you view the spiritual Qalb as a different entity from the Ruh, there is no such notion of the spiritual Qalb passing away or being immortal like the Ruh.

A very simple analysis of Arabic grammar.

Heart = Qalb.   Even if you read this as spiritual heart, taken in a physical context it's also referred to as Qalb.  

Now let's look at some variations.

Heartbeat  = نبض القلب (nabz al-qalb)

Heart failure = سكتة قلبية (saktat qalbia)

Heart rate = معدل ضربات القلب (muadal darabat al qalb).
("Darabat" can also be pronounced as 'zarabat' as sisters Ruhi and Zeynab suggested the Urdo enunciation of the 'z' sound instead of 'd' in ض)

Thus, expressions such as heart rate or heart failure etc. carry the physical connotation.  Yet there is no specific term that differentiates between a spiritual and physical Qalb.   Alhumdulilah. 



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 on: February 23, 2021, 08:38:27 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Ruhi_Rose




 ....  The rest of the complexities carry slightly differing approach by various researchers.   Only Allah Almighty has the final answer for everything that He designs.  Subhan'Allah.  This is true in both the Islamic perspective of study and the standard "secular" perspective in the research of human mind and behavior.   After all, the secular perspective analyses and investigates the designs, constructions and arrangements of what is already created by The Almighty much earlier.   It's not the secularists who have planned or created anything. 



So true Sis.   

And thank you from the pit of my heart for your appreciation ☺



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 on: February 23, 2021, 08:31:54 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Zeynab



That's wonderfully put.   Big thanks to your husband.  





This entire field, starting from the broad foundation to it's relevant connections is basically a subjective study, interpreted with slight differences by different experts.   It's generally the 'urafa' or Muslim mystics (that is, Sufis) who perceive Qalb as the spiritual heart.



Absolutely correct.   There are minor differences in perception of different individuals who have studied the human self carefully.   As your husband rightly said, the aspect of soul which is already asserted in the Noble Quran is understood without any differences by all.   The rest of the complexities carry slightly differing approach by various researchers.   Only Allah Almighty has the final answer for everything that He designs.  Subhan'Allah.  This is true in both the Islamic perspective of study and the standard "secular" perspective in the research of human mind and behavior.   After all, the secular perspective analyses and investigates the designs, constructions and arrangements of what is already created by The Almighty much earlier.   It's not the secularists who have planned or created anything. 


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 on: February 23, 2021, 07:57:04 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Ruhi_Rose



Returning to some aspects of this topic.  My husband and I were focusing on it.  He penned a brief presentation and requested me to put it up on his behalf. 


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In the Islamic perspective as presented by our scholars (particularly to understand the human self) is wholly spiritual and thus intangible - ruh, nafs,ihsas, aql, and qalb - that gives a spiritual dimension to every physical organ from which the intangible ensues.  And no doubt, every tangible has an intangible side.  Qalb is generally referred to as 'spiritual heart.'  But it can also allude to the ruh.  In fact among both Sunni and Shiia Muslims, nafs is generally taken as soul or ruh in the course of  conversations or references. 

In early Arabic literature, nafs meant “self,” or “person.”   To say that someone has wronged their nafs can very logically mean they have wronged themselves. 

Nafs is considered to be the lowest principle of a human being.  Higher than the nafs is the Ruh (spirit).  And if you perceive the spiritual facet of the physical hear (Qalb), that too is considered a higher principle than Nafs though it's lower than Ruh.   Hence, the Ruh, Qalb and Nafs form the broad foundation interconnected to other complicated systems within the human self.  This entire field, starting from the broad foundation to it's relevant connections is basically a subjective study, interpreted with slight differences by different experts.   It's generally the 'urafa' or Muslim mystics (that is, Sufis) who perceive Qalb as the spiritual heart.  Do they also refer to the physical heart as Qalb?   I would think so, as I do not know any other term they mention for it. 

Most importantly, what is confirmed by the Noble Quran and unanimously wholly accepted by all is that every body has 'Ruh' inside the matter body, and when this Ruh is disconnected permanently from the body (that is, when Malik-al-Mawt is sent to take back the Ruh) the person is pronounced dead.  This is only about the Ruh.   There is no such concept about the spiritual heart, unless the spiritual heart is viewed in the same context as the Ruh, just different expressions, which is also the perspective of many experts.

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And now your frank views dear folks. 




Btw ..  Brother TS mentioned a similar context too




In early Arabic literature, nafs meant “self,” or “person.”   To say that someone has wronged their nafs can very logically mean they have wronged themselves.  


 

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 on: February 22, 2021, 10:17:59 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by Zeynab


Thank you very much dear brother.

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 on: February 22, 2021, 10:16:34 pm 
Started by Ruhi_Rose - Last post by N. Truth Seeker



Of course Sister Zeynab, it's perfectly okay 😀   


No need to ask my sister. 


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