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 21 
 on: April 16, 2018, 02:50:43 am 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by Zeynab

Very well and comprehensively explained br. TS.   I'm glad you covered this topic.  It's an important one and somehow we hadn't yet put it up.   Thanks brother. 

 22 
 on: April 16, 2018, 02:44:05 am 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by N. Truth Seeker


Exactly, Sister Ruhi.     The aspect of reality and intent is completely ignored by our clerical circles. 

 23 
 on: April 15, 2018, 08:18:59 pm 
Started by Khadija_H - Last post by Ruhi_Rose
I'm just presuming a connection between the "glow" and the material with which Allah created the jinn.  Even glows can be of many types.  So I'm only guessing.  Since jinn are made of smokeless, scorching or essential fire as the Quran confirms, maybe .. just maybe ... at times some kind of glimmer or  luminescence  could be emitted from the jinn.  It also depends on how precisely the human seer is able to observe and recall.  Often such sightings are brief and unexpected.  The person who sees is left awestruck, confused or fearful, and therefore it isn't always easy to recall every bit of detail correctly. 

However, much of the aspects about the jinn still belong to the unseen, only known to Allah Almighty.  We know that jinn exist, that like humans, they can be either good folks, not too good or bad ones.  Jinn can be believers or disbelievers.   This is confirmed in the Quran.    Moreover, with reference to Surah 27:38-40 we also know that jinn have an ability which humans don't, that is, performing certain tasks with the speed or velocity not bestowed in humans by The Almighty.  When Prophet Sulaiman (pbuh) told the jinn who were working for him to bring him the throne of the queen of Saba (or Sheba) which is a place in Yemen, they preformed the task in minutes or seconds.  According to historical data, Prophet Sulaiman (or Solomon, pbuh) lived somewhere in the region of Palestine.  Distance from Yemen to Palestine is approximately 1,400 miles.  Even if it was a shorter distance, carrying anything from one country to another in minutes is humanly impossible but obviously possible for the jinn.   It's very likely that the jinn have many other characteristics too as bestowed on them by Allah.  Probably for this reason personal experiences of humans on the sightings of jinn are many and sometimes vivid, often leaving us wonderstruck.  Some details of these experiences may certainly pertain to reality while some may consist of the unintentional inaccuracies in memory and cognition.  Only The Almighty would know the precise status of every such sighting.


 

 24 
 on: April 15, 2018, 08:04:48 am 
Started by Khadija_H - Last post by Khadija_H
That would explain the glow indeed, I hadn't thought of the fire as a possible explanation for the glow. And as I said earlier, I can't see what else it should have been. As in why it showed itself for me and the other girl..that'll remain a mystery I guess. Would it be jinn behavior to show themselves with no other reason than to just see how a human will react to it? I guess jinn can get bored like humen..who knows..

 25 
 on: April 15, 2018, 04:17:57 am 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by Ruhi_Rose

That's a bit like fearing the neighbor's little poodle puppy but no concerns over a wolf roaming in your yard.   Some of our folks really know how to make simple issues complicated out of their own thoughtlessness.  They worry that kids will be exposed to falsehood through harmless pranks and childhood game-tricks while the tidal wave of hadith flaws, fallacies and distortions are taught to them daily without the slightest of worry   ~ sigh ~

Good read.  Thanks brother.   As-salam Alaykum, peace.



 26 
 on: April 15, 2018, 04:08:37 am 
Started by Khadija_H - Last post by Ruhi_Rose
.......  it materialized and dematerialized yes since a human couldn't have appeared and dissapeared that way and with that white glow. ............

A jin, I would presume.

 "white glow" ....  reminds me, jinn are made of scorching or smokeless fire as the Quran confirms. 



 27 
 on: April 14, 2018, 05:52:43 am 
Started by Khadija_H - Last post by Khadija_H
I remember I looked at the garden when the figure suddenly appeared under a tree. Then it dissapeared. So I'd say it materialized and dematerialized yes since a human couldn't have appeared and dissapeared that way and with that white glow. Though Allah knows best what it was and why it appeared, I still can't help but wondering about it, but that's how the human nature is I guess. Wanting answers even if we can't always get them.

 28 
 on: April 14, 2018, 04:03:11 am 
Started by Khadija_H - Last post by N. Truth Seeker

Interesting.   You mentioned that it was there for a moment and then gone.  How did it go?  Did it de-materialize visibly before your eyes or did it walk away?   What I've learned from the paranormal experiences of others, jinn presumably can appear differently simultaneously to different viewers.  But Allah knows best.  I've also heard that jinn can be seen more accurately by children below 10 or so.   But again Allah-o-Alim.   

A simple explanation could be that it may have been someone wearing an eerie mask (as non-Muslims do during halloween for example) when he waved, and then he wore the hat seconds later as seen by the younger child.   


 29 
 on: April 14, 2018, 03:40:19 am 
Started by Khadija_H - Last post by Khadija_H
I will share a little story about something strange I saw years ago. I don't remember exactly how old I was, but I was somewhere between 14-17 years old. We were a group of friends walking down a street with houses and one house caught our eyes, because it was pretty much a wreck. We all stopped up to take a look at the house from the street when suddenly a white, bald man-like figure showed up its garden and raised its hand in a wave. The figure was glowing a shade of white. It's eyes were black. It's mouth was a huge smile with red lips and long sharp teeth. It was there for a moment and then it was gone. I looked at my friends and asked if someone saw anything. All except one shook their heads, but one of the others, who was a girl 6 years younger than me, said she had seen something too. I asked her to describe what she had seen, before told her anything, to be sure she wasn't mocking me. She described the same figure I had seen, except that she had seen blue eyes and a hat on its head.

I have never seen that figure again since and I still wonder what it was and why I and the other girl saw it. I have also wondered why we saw that slight difference in detail. I have always assumed it was a jinn, because I can't think of what else it could have been. If it was a jinn as I assume it was. Why would it show itself to two of us then?

There is nothing such as ghosts so it can't be that. I doubt it could have been a hallucination, since we were two to see it and we were not affected by anything. it's not possible for two people to have the same hallucination when not being affected by anything..is it?

And Allah knows best what it was.

 30 
 on: April 14, 2018, 03:20:32 am 
Started by N. Truth Seeker - Last post by N. Truth Seeker


A sister and her husband who participate in our monthly group discussions are planning to celebrate the birthday their little son who hasn't yet started school, a party full of fun and enjoyment for kids - donkey rides, musical chair and a clown's magic show -  with plenty of appetizing snacks and refreshments.  But one brother in our group said the magic show should be removed from the party plan, interpreting it as Haram.  That left many of us wondering to what extent he's right.   The reason he thinks all modern, recreational magic shows to be Haram is because he compares them with the magic performed by the wizards in Pharaoh's court.  Most of us are of the opinion that that's a very incorrect comparison.   Pharaoh's court staged serious illusionary magic with an ulterior motive to brainwash the people turning them into disbelievers in The Almighty.  Such magical spells are similar to sorcery. Their purpose was to make Pharaoh appear most powerful who was the boss of his wizards.   A modern-day magic show for kids is a totally different event with absolutely no such motives, no such ideas, only for the purpose of amusement and fun for children.  Even if adults watch it for fun, it's fine.   These recreational magic shows do not  interfere with Faith, they don't involve any Haram acts like vulgarity or nudity nor use of alcohol.   

At present, we can categorize the topic of "magic" into two types: 

(1) Magics done with serious intent to bewitch the people, and to alter or misguide their beliefs.  It's also termed as "magic of illusions,"  e.g. Pharaoh's wizards who cast an evil spell on the cognizance of their audience when they threw their rods on the ground and the rods appeared to the viewers as if they moved like serpents (refer Verse 20:66).   That was because the onlookers began having visual illusions, not reality.  Indeed this is completely Haram and the Noble Quran confirms it.   The purpose of Pharaoh through his wizards and warlocks was to beguile the people into thinking he was their deity and the magicians served him, adding a supernatural dimension through falsification.

(2) Magic for entertainment is understood by the audience to be a joke for recreational purposes.  Even if you refer to it as "sleight of hand," it's a very different aspect from what was practiced by the conjurers working for Pharaoh.  No one is stupid enough to believe that a magic-show performer in a kids' birthday party has supernatural powers.  Kids too know it's a trick and buffoonery to make them laugh.  The performer treats his 'magic' as a game or professional hobby.   These jovial shows are NOT done by casting any spells on the audience.  Rather, many modern magic-show equipment work on the basis of technical or mechanical know-how sold in stores.  These magicians learn certain tricks for entertainment such as learning to juggle half a dozen ping-pong orbs simultaneously or learning how to safely put a lighted cigarette inside their pocket etc. through the trial and error method, as one would learn any other sport or acrobat.    Until now, I've not known of a single kid nor adult, who after watching these lighthearted jovial 'magics' for entertainment, has gotten misguided.    Based on the Noble Quran, intention is hugely important.  Intent or niyah often decides entirely whether the deed is Halal or Haram.  The intention or approach of magic shows for entertainment is not designed to go beyond a jest or funny prank to amuse the people who are already aware that it's a rib-tickler game.

There is a big difference between casual magic of games / tricks for entertainment and magic of illusion, sorcery and witchcraft which are seriously misguided ideas with plans and practices either to hurt others or to establish one's cult-like domineering presence by subjugating their disciples / followers through fear or rites of witchcraft.  Very often, such practices also involve communication with the jinn.  Non-Muslims may interpret this as "evil spirits" but it's actually jinn.  That's how different Haram magic and sorcery are from the commonly spoken benign magic for entertainment.

Thus, while the unpurposed recreational fun & games magic-show is Halal, the motivated magic of illusion, sorcery and witchcraft are HARAM.     

Many of our modern-day sheikhs and imams have prohibited the safe and benign magic for entertainment through fatwas saying that it promotes falsehood through tricks, showing something which doesn't actually happen as shown.  From that perspective, even Disneyland should be prohibited as nothing you see there is real.  But lots of Muslims, including our sheikhs and their families, visit such spots for an outing and entertainment, which if fine.  Our sheikhs and ulemas are quick at pointing fingers on harmless magic shows, condemning them as promoting falsehood.  But they are complacent about the huge falsehood of Hadith they teach to thousands of people which involves forging the name of the Prophet (pbuh) to influence the minds of the naive, making them embrace extra-Quranic concepts by ingnoring Quranic injunctions.  Isn't this just as dangerous a trick as Pharaoh's haram magic and sorcery?


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