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Rajam is NOT the penalty for adultery in the Quraan


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« on: November 10, 2006, 03:58:34 am »

 BismEm


According to jurists and clerics, the punishment of Rajm (death by stoning) is for married men and women committing adultery.  For unmarried persons guilty of the same offence, the penalty is lashes or stripes.
 
In the Glorious Qur'aan the punishment for adultery is 100 stripes as mentioned in Surah 'An-Nur' (24:2).  In verse 4 of Surah 'An-Nur,' 80 lashes is ordered for slanderers who accuse honourable women without bringing 4 witnesses.  In verses 6 - 10 of the same Surah, the system of Li'an is explained, which is basically (as I understand it) a system on pure trust on human conscience.  Hence, from verses 2 - 10 of Surah 'An-Nur' the matter regarding adultery is discussed in greatest detail compared to all other Surahs.  There are also certain other chapters where the ill consequences of adultery in the Hereafter are mentioned, e.g. Surah 'Al-Furqan' (25:68-70).  But nowhere does the Qur'aan mention two different punishments for married and single people.  Death by stoning is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'aan, though according to historical evidence this punishment did exist during the pre-Islamic era in various communities including Europe. It was later introduced in the Gospel because the Gospel was altered by humans and therefore isn't original any longer.

Needless to mention, this law of Rajam is derived direclty from the Ahadeeth narrations, majority of which are notorious for their unreliability and fabrication by the ulemas.  Excuse me!
 
The existence of Rajam in Shar'iah is explained as follows by a scholar at Islamonline.net.
 
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"According to jurists, the verse commanding capitol punishment for married men and women was revealed in the Qur'aan.  Later it was verbally abrogated but its ruling is still binding.  One may ask, 'What is abrogation?'  Abrogation means removal.  It may involve the text or the ruling or both.  There is great Divine wisdom behind every incident of abrogation, part of which is to assert that the Islamic legislation, unlike man-made ones, was not established at once; rather all its teachings and rulings were set gradually.  In addition, while abrogating the words of a verse but not its ruling, this serves as a reminder that not all the Divine messages are to be through one channel, i.e. a direct revelation.  Rather, a part of these messages is to be conveyed & clarified through the practice and tradition of the Prophet sent to deliver the message ........."
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Frankly, the above explanation is full of holes and question marks, the authenticity of which is only known to Allah. 
 
How did the jurists conclude that Rajam was previously mentioned in the Quraan? How did they come to the conclusion that 'abrogation' can involve just the removal of the text and not the ruling?  Most importantly, how can anyone have the authority to "verbally abrogate" any verse of the Quraan?  Allah has mentioned in the Quraan that if He abrogates any verse, He replaces it with another as He deems right.  It is NOT for us to make decisions about abrogation of Quraanic verses. 

Besides, to say that abrogation involves removal of text and not the ruling would mean that the law is abrogated in part, not in full.  So it cannot be called 'abrogated' in the actual sense of the term.  Yet the Qur'aan contains not a single reference to it.   Divine messages contained in the Quraan were conveyed to the Prophet (pbuh) through revelations, and all such aspects have been clarified & explained in the Quraan.  But this claim of the jurists/scholars who say that the issue of Rajm came about, then was abrogated and then also retained partly .. and yet it has never been spoken of in the Qur'aan provides enough grounds to reject Rajam downright!
 
Rajam is a penalty that carries the death sentence.  Thus, for its source, we cannot simply rely on hearsay from people.  We need concrete evidence from the Quraan.  And the Noble Quraan gives NO direct or indirect instructions nor evidence for carrying out this penalty.
 



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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2006, 04:18:52 am »

Very valid point and i'm pleased u brought it up .. though a sensitive one too.

In truth, i have also not found any evidence of rajm in the Quran.  from what i've learnt from my own analysis and those of others with whom i've discussed, the practice of stoning has its origins in the altered versions of Torah or Old Testament, and then in the New Testament too.  It was practiced by the Jews and then by the Christians.  the Qur'an is very clear and says " Do not follow the religion of the Christians or Jews " ( 2:120)

u mentioned very correctly that this law is a derivative exclusively of the Hadith.  i've observed the same.  and not just that, but as the stories go in the hadith, the contradictions are pretty shocking.  The Qur'an teaches us that Islamic law is equal for both men and women and yet one Hadith narrates the story of a Bedouin's son who committed adultery, he was given 100 lashes and exiled for one year, the woman was stoned to death.  i used to find such narrations awfully confusing.  but now the unreliability and unauthenticity of the hadith has sunk into my head rightly as it should.  so i ignore it  Cheesy 

this would be the summary of my comments  teethsmile


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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2007, 04:47:23 pm »

In fact some brothers I met a few months ago at our Islamic community center (who claimed to be very well read on Islamic issues) frankly stated that if stoning is not mentioned in the Quran it doesn't matter to them because it is stated in various versions of the  Gospel.  They implied that as Muslims we are to believe in all Divine Scriptures, therefore any law of the Gospel is as much binding upon us as the Quran.  In their zeal to manipulate Islam, they forgot to remember that as Muslims we are required to believe in the former Divine Scriptures only in their originals.  Such people know very well that the Old and New Testaments have been almost totally altered today, yet they bring up these issues only to promote their own desires. 

Thus, Allah (Subhanu Wa'Tala) mentions in the Quran repeatedly that those who are misguided are obstinately convinced that they are rightly guided.  So correct concerning the present Ummah.

Thank you for this very useful post sister zeynab!


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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2007, 03:15:45 am »

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I also discovered that the punishment of stoning exists in the Gospel not just for adultery but for various other acts as well.  Read the following quotes from the Bible.

Punishment for adultery
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

Punishment for worshipping other gods
Deuteronomy 17:2-5
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Punishment for cursing (or blasphemy)
 Leviticus 24:16
24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

For cursing the king
 1 Kings 21:10
21:10 And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die.

For preaching the wrong religion
 Deuteronomy 13:5-10
13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die;
because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

For disobeying parents  
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.


Compared to this, the Glorious Quraan mentions stoning NOWHERE.

Stoning in Islam has been introduced by the Hadeeth which is largely plagiarised from the Bible.  Sheikh Sultan M. As-Salameh explains, "After the passing away of the exalted Prophet Muhammad (Salallah Alayhi Wasallam), many Muslim 'scholars' were converts from Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Judaism. These scholars sought to seek common grounds between them. Hence, they incorporated their old beliefs from Christianity and Judaism into Islam to such an extent that the practiced ‘Islam’ of today is often a manifestation of the Bible. None of these Biblical teachings were known to the Prophet (pbuh) and they cannot be found in the Quraan at all but the scholars of Islam are unanimous in accepting these beliefs as part of Islam today."



Source for the quotes from Bible:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/21.html#18
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2007, 03:27:13 am »

There's another point worth mentioning about Rajam that contradicts the logic of the Quran.  The Hadith has openly spread its own law on stoning, which is most definitely picked from the Bible. But as  already stated in this thread, in the Quran the punishment for adultery / fornication is 100 lashes.  Then, the Quran goes still further to state that an adulterer must marry an adultress because a non-adultress is not lawful for such a person.  So, if adulterers and adultresses are to be stoned to death, how are dead people supposed to get married??
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2008, 06:02:39 am »

The Hadith has openly spread its own law on stoning ....... in the Quran the punishment for adultery / fornication is 100 lashes.  Then, the Quran goes still further to state that an adulterer must marry an adultress because a non-adultress is not lawful for such a person.  So, if adulterers and adultresses are to be stoned to death, how are dead people supposed to get married??

Exactly, this is another very valid and well perceived point.  
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2010, 02:28:07 am »

Just the other day when I was reading Surah An-Nur, it brought another point in my mind.  Hadith says that death penalty for illegal sex is for married persons.  But if you read Verses 6 to 9 of Surah An-Nur, you will see that, of course no mention of stoning, and additionally, it's easier for married people to waive even the punishment of lashes on the basis of trust which is known as the law of Li'an.  Check the following verses.

As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing) by Allah that he is of those who speak the truth;  24:6

And yet a fifth, invoking the curse of Allah on him if he is of those who lie.  24:7

And it shall avert the punishment from her if she bear witness before Allah four times that the thing he says is indeed false,  24:8

And a fifth (time) that the wrath of Allah be upon her if he speaks truth.  24:9



This means that if a man suspects his wife of adultery or is sure of it but has no witnesses, then he has to take an oath on Allah 5 times that what he is saying is the truth.  And then the wife, if she refutes it, has to take an oath on Allah 5 times asserting that what he is accusing her of is false.  If she takes this oath, then she is presumed innocent.  In case she took a false oath and was really guilty of adultery, then her punishment will be in the Hereafter, not in this world.  Similarly, if the husband takes a false oath on Allah 5 times by wrongly accusing his wife, then his punishment will also be in the Hereafter.  However, regardless of whether or not the husband's accusation is truthful, the wife is entitled to take a similar oath and either accept or refute it.   In case she accepts her guilt, apparently the punishment will be as defined in Verse 24:2 of the same Surah, i.e. 100 lashes and not stoning.  Although Verses 6 to 9 of Surah An-Nur is about married couples, yet there's no mention of stoning.  Instead the law of trust is additionally added which further rules out stoning.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 02:49:16 am »

precisely, very good elucidation.  many thanks sister Cat.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 12:39:25 am »

I was again doing some research on this nonsense and found rows and rows of death punishments in the various versions of the Bibles which is the mentor of the Hadith.

Here ............ 

'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."  New Testament - Leviticus 20:10

Then, the copy-cat, Mr. Muslim bin Hajaj writes his goli with the help of Ishaq Shaibani (whoever he was) :-

From Sahih al-Muslim reports:  Book 17, Number 4218:
Abu Ishaq Shaibani said: I asked ‘Abdullah b. Abu Aufi if Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded (the punishment) of stoning (to death). He said: Yes. I said: After Sura al-Nur was revealed or before that? He said: I do not know.

Wikipedia has clearly stated the following which means Hadith is officially guilty of blasphemy by overruling the Quranic laws by its own when Allah categorically states that only the Quran is the Criterion (Furqan).

"There is disagreement among modernist Islamic thinkers as to the applicability of stoning for adultery as, while religious texts often give examples both with and without stoning, the Quran does not prescribe stoning as a punishment for any crime, mentioning only lashing as punishment for adultery. However some schools maintain that the punishment may nevertheless be exacted on the grounds that hadith can establish laws which the Qur'an does not mention." Online Wikipedia.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 01:11:09 am »

And the most hilarious fairy tale concocted by Hadith as an excuse to implement this law is the hungry goat eating up a so-called leaf on which this so-called verse of the Quran was supposed to be mentioned. 


A nice piece from mpacuk:

When Did A Hungry Goat Eat Your "Verse Of Stoning To Death"?

Unfortunately, after the death of the prophet Muhammad, the hypocrites fabricated hadiths and attributed them to the prophet and distorted God's law. The people who are described in 6:112 produced lie after lie to change the punishment of adultery to death by stoning for married adulterers. They adopted this law from the Jews and their idol worshipping ancestors (11:91; 44:20; 36:18; 26:116) claiming that the words of God are not complete and clear in 24:1-2. It is significant that the Almighty God stated in the beginning of Chapter 24, that this law is profound and clear!!!
 
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 08:34:10 am »

Just to introduce this rajam or stoning punishment from the Bibles, Hadith narrators & compilers have tried so hard that they did not even stop to discredit the Quran with this horrific lie that the so-called verse of stoning was eaten by a goat.  What a JOKE!  It's about such criminals & bandits that Allah Almighty has stated in Verse 10:17 of Surah Yunus "Who doeth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie concerning Allah and denieth His revelations ? Lo! the guilty never are successful."  No wonder the  Muslims are hardly meeting with any success nowadays.
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