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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2019, 08:26:59 am »



Didn't know of this Somalia story either.   Yes it could be partly true.  But Economist has mixed it up with pieces of its own fantasies to amuse readers.
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2019, 12:24:32 am »



Btw, briefly touching the hadith's jinn & bathroom issue again ....

Some hadithists also use Verse 7:27 to refer to jinn in the bathroom.

"O Children of Adam!  Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them.   Indeed! he sees you, he and his tribe, from whence you see him not.  Indeed! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not."  (7:27)  Surah Al-Araf.

My reply to them:  Stop fabricating folks.  This Verse does not allude to jinn hiding in the bathroom or garbage dumps.  In this Verse, Allah Almighty is warning and advising us on the importance of fighting off Satan's temptations.   Satan and his friends are silently clever in enticing humans to the path of sin.  They lure humans in such a way that unless their Faith is truly strong, they are unable to grasp nor perceive the evil they are invited to. 

Furthermore, the underlined portion of Verse 7:27 may also have been utilized by extra-Quranic sources to refer to a jinn qareen accompanying every human.  But again, Verse 7:27 does not refer to that at all.  This simply means that just as Allah Almighty is the Protector of the true believers, Satan and his friends are the protectors of disbelievers and hypocrites.


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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2019, 12:29:01 am »



Yes of course, that's very well said Sister Heba. 

I'm just wondering, how did hadith twist around the misinterpretation to claim the "jinn living in bathrooms" connection with Verse 7:27?    Absolutely NO connection between that hadith concept and Verse 7:27.

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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2019, 12:41:19 am »



Shokran and thanko to all my dearest folks.   Answer to my query and beyond, this is a great thread.  Alhumdulilah.

To all our guest readers, if you folks really want to know the truth about jinn, this is the thread you must explore.  Also look up the related posts.  You'll find every bit of info strictly in accordance with the contents of the Noble Quran.

-    Jinn not Ghosts
-    Why are Jinn categorized as paranormal?
-    Do Quranic recitations drive away evil jinn and Satan?
-    Difference between Jinn (true) and Ghost (false)
-    Allah Almighty confirmed Iblees is of the Jinn
-    Hadith views on Jinn not compatible with the Noble Quran
-    Can Jinn possess humans?
-    Does the word "jinn" have more than one definition in the Quran?


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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2019, 11:38:18 am »


 

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"And [mention, O Muhammad], when We directed to you a few of the jinn, listening to the Qur'an.   And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly." And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners."   (46:29)

"They said, "O our people, indeed we have heard a [recited] Book revealed after Moses confirming what was before it which guides to the truth and to a straight path."   (46:30)



Okay ...... now tell me something folks.  In Verses 29 and 30 of Surah Al-Ahqaf, is the reference to jinn (the elemental spirit) or to foreigners.  Pickthall's commentary says that in old Arabic the term "jinn" can also mean foreigners.  And since, in Verse 30 of this Surah, the jinn mentioned the name of Prophet Moses (pbuh), some readers have opined that these were a Jewish group of people who came from some other land.

Also, if they were the actual jinn and not just foreign humans, did they meet the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) face to face?   I mean, did the Prophet know while meeting them that these were jinn and not humans?




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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2019, 11:54:09 am »



No, I think these Verses refer to the real jinn, the elemental spirit.  The fact that one of the jin spoke of Prophet Moses respectfully apparently indicates that these jinn were submitters.  They believed in the former original Divine Scriptures, and so they recognized the Noble Quran as having the same Divine Source.

During his mission and while running the first Islamic state, the Prophet (pbuh) used to receive many delegations coming  to listen to Quranic recitations and to discuss the Quran.   Obviously, I would think, these jinn were in the presence of the Prophet (pbuh) and very likely the Prophet saw them as a group or in a crowd.  But whether or not the Prophet knew they were jinn is not possible to answer.  Only Allah would know that best.  After the revelation of these Verses of course the Prophet (pbuh) knew that there were some jinn present among the audience during this day as confirmed by Allah.   That's as much as can be known.


 
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2019, 12:13:56 pm »


I too think they were the real jinn, not human foreigners. 

Also I would opine at that time the Prophet (pbuh) couldn't have known they were jinn until the revelation of Verses 46:29-30.  The reason being that when jinn appear before humans, they appear in very much the human form.

The aspect of meeting 'face to face' can have two interpretations - either meeting / seeing the jinn who were present in a crowd consisting of jinn and humans  OR specifically meeting a group of jinn with eye to eye contact.  Which of the two possibilities was true is only known to Allah.

As usual, hadith has made many stories on these Verses that are apparently baseless.  According to hadith, the Prophet (pbuh) met them 'face to face' (the eye to eye reference) and knew they were jinn.   But there is no evidence in these Verses to confirm these points. 

Quoting two hadith narrations linked with Verses 46:29-30:

"About one of these deputations Hadrat Abdullah bin Masud relates: "One day the Holy Prophet remained missing from Makkah for the whole night. We could not know his whereabouts and feared he might have been attacked by somebody. Early in the morning we saw him coming from the direction of Hira. On inquiring he said that a jinn had come to invite him and he had accompanied him and recited the Qur'an to a gathering of them there." (Muslim, Musnad Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Abu Da'ud).


"Hadrat Abdullah bin Masud has related another tradition, saying: "Once the Holy Prophet asked his Companions in Makkah as to which of them would accompany him that night to meet the jinns. I became ready to go with him. At a place in the upper quarters of Makkah the Holy Prophet drew a line and told me not to cross it. Then he went forward and stood and began to recite the Qur'an. I saw that a number of the people had gathered around him and they stood between me and him."' (Ibn Jarir, Baihaqi: Dala`il an-Nubuwwat, Abu Nu`aim Isfahani: Dale Il an-Nubuwuat).


The above stories, and several other similar ones, are not reliable at all.  There are no Quranic references to such events.



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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2019, 12:19:13 pm »



@ brother TS.  Interesting bit.  Just look how distant the hadith has stretched its stories ......
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2019, 12:21:23 pm »



That helped me to understand very well.
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