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« on: December 07, 2006, 06:22:39 am »

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The article pasted at the end of this message is about the ruling of imams and so-called Muslim "scholars" on music.  I was shocked to read it.  I always knew that these so-called, self-appointed leaders excel in the 'art' of lies and manipulation but I never knew they could go so far with their calculated intent.

They are well aware that the Quraan has not mentioned of music or singing as Haram.   So they decided to play up their own story through a gross misinterpretation. 
 
 
Verse 31:6 (Surah Luqman):
 
And of mankind is he who payeth for mere pastime of discourse, that he may mislead from Allah's way without knowledge, and maketh it the butt of mockery. For such there is a shameful doom.   (Translated: Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall)
 
But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.   (Translated: Abdullah Yusuf Ali)

 
The "scholars" claim that the Arabic of the underlined translations, i.e. "pastime of discourse" or "idle tales" refer to songs and music.  And how have they come to this far-fetched conclusion without any logic?   As usual, it is supported by the Hadeeth, narrations of which are formulated by the "scholars" as and when convenient to please themselves. 
 
The Quraanic verse 31:6 is very clear and simple.  It's referring to those people who try to misguide or influence others through improper conversations and clever tactics.  This verse has nothing to do with music or singing.  To clarify the meaning still better, I will also quote the 5 preceding verses of this Surah as follows:
 
1. Alif. Lam. Mim.
2.  These are revelations of the wise Scripture,
3. A guidance and a mercy for the good,
4.Those who establish worship and pay the poor-due and have sure faith in the Hereafter.
5. Such have guidance from their Lord. Such are the successful.
(31:1-5)  (Translated by Pickthall)
 
1. A. L. M.
2. These are Verses of the Wise Book,-
3. A Guide and a Mercy to the Doers of Good,-
4. Those who establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity, and have (in their hearts) the assurance of the Hereafter.
5. These are on (true) guidance from their Lord: and these are the ones who will prosper.
(31:1-5)  (Translated by Yusuf Ali)

 
After reading the above 5 verses of Surah Luqman (31:1-5) of both translations, it is even more evident that the reference in verse 31:6 is not to music or singing.  Instead, it very clearly implies to the nefarious designs of those people who did not take Allah's message seriously and wanted to draw others away from the guidance.
 
 
A hardline medieval so-called Muslim spiritualist, Imam Ibn Tayyammah uses verse 8:35 of Surah Al-Anfal through a Hadeeth by Abu Hurayrah for justifying clapping and whistling as Haram.  Again, a totally absurd analogy because verse 8:35 of the Glorious Quraan does not refer to the usual light-hearted clapping or whistling during recreation or celebrations.  I quote verse 8:35 as under:
 
And their worship at the (holy) House is naught but whistling and hand-clapping. Therefore (it is said unto them): Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve.  (8:35)  (Translated by Pickthall)
 
Their prayer at the House (of Allah. is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands: (Its only answer can be), "Taste ye the penalty because ye blasphemed."   (8:35)  (Translated by Yusuf Ali)

 
The above verse 8:35 is about the incorrect and displeasing method of worship at the Kaaba by the idolaters.  It is really very simple to understand and there's no mincing of words in it.  The Kaaba is the most sacred place, and worship of the One Allah at the Kaaba must be done with respect.  But the pagans with their polytheist ideologies had established the most inappropriate methods of worship at the Kaaba.  This is the important meaning that Allah (Subhanu Wa'Tala) is conveying to us in verse 8:35.  It goes without saying that we are not to clap and whistle at the Kaaba or any other masjid.  But this does not mean that clapping or whistling becomes Haram even if one is relaxing in the garden or watching a football game on TV or celebrating the birthday of their child. 
 
According to the absurd ideologies of the thick-headed Ibn Tayammah, anyone who listens to music gets drawn away from the Quraan and thus becomes a friend of the devil.  This man talks as though he will be the one to preside on the Day of Judgment.  But Divine Justice never falters.  Allah is sufficient to deal with people with such arrogant minds coming up with such sweeping judgments without knowledge.
 
Of course, as Muslims we know that if a particular manner of singing involves obscenity or vulgarity, then it is certainly Haram.  And that goes for all acts of obscenity.  But singing, dancing or playing music can also be done in a very decent and dignified manner, which is by no means Haram as per the Quraan. 
 
In order to understand how the "ulemas" try to manipulate and spoil our beautiful Faith, please read the following article carefully.  It clearly portrays the extent of presumptions, lies and guesswork they apply for the purpose of promoting their own thoughts and desires.  They do not even refrain to use the verses of the Glorious Quraan.  However, we are lucky that since Allah has Himself promised to protect the Quraan, therefore these degraded "ulemas" will never be able to change even a single verse of the Quraan.  It is for this purpose that every ruling of theirs is supported with a bunch of obnoxious ahadeeth. 
 
May Allah (The Most High) guide us and protect us from the evil minds of those people who call themselves 'imams' and 'scholars.' 


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Listening to Music and Singing

Listening to music and singing is a sin and cause for the sickening and weakening of the heart. The majority of the scholars of the Salaf is unanimous that listening to music and singing and using musical instruments is Haram (prohibited).   
Evidence that Music and Singing are Haram

1.--Allah said, what translated means, And of mankind he who purchases idle talks to mislead (people) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah) by way of mockery, For such there will be a humiliating torment.  [3 1:6].
 Al-Wahidi, along with other scholars of Tafsir (explaining the Quran), said that "Idle Talk" in this Ayah is singing. The following companions gave this Tafsir: Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud, Mujahid and Ikrimah. Ibn Masud said, "By Allah, whom there is no God except Him, idle talk is singing."
 
2 -- The Prophet said, what translated means, "From among my nation, there will be people who will render as lawful adultery, weaving silk (for men), Al-Khamr (liquor) and AlMaa'azif (musical instruments)." [Al-Bukhari].
 This Hadith states that musical instruments are Haram, and there is no disagreement among the scholars on this. In his book, Ighathat Al-Lahfan, Ibn Al-Qayyim said, "When the Prophet said, 'render as lawful,' he meant that it was unlawful, then the people made it lawful."
 
3 -- Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said, what translated means, group of this nation will be transformed into monkeys and swine." They said, "Do not they testify that there is no god except Allah and that Mohammed is His Messenger?" He said, "Yes.
 And also they fast pray and perform Hajj." They said, "Then, what is their problem?" He said, "They use musical instruments, drums and female singers. (One day) they will go to sleep after a night of drinking and having fun, In the morning, they will be transformed (by Allah) into monkeys and swine." [Iughathat Al-Lahfan].
 
4 -- Allah said, criticizing the Kuffar's worship around the Kaa'bah, what translated means, Their prayer at the House (Kaa'bah) was nothing but Muka'an and Tasdiyah. [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, Ibn Umar, Atiyyah, Muj ahid, Ad-Dhahh'ak, AlHasan and Qatadah said that Muka'an means whistling, and that Tasdiyah means clapping of hands.

Sayings of the Scholars Regarding Music and Singing
 
 Imam IbnTaymiyyah said, "Listening to music and sinful fun are among what strengthens the satanic ways the most. This is exactly what the disbelievers used to do. Allah said, And their prayer at the House (of Allah) was nothing but Muka 'an and Tasdiyah. [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, ibn Umar and others said that Tasdiyah is clapping of hands, and that Muka'an is whistling. This was the Mushrikeen's way of worship. The Prophet and his companions worshipped Allah, according to His order, in their prayer, reading the Quran and Thikr (supplication). It never occurred that the Prophet and his companions gathered to listen to singing that is accompanied by clapping or using drums."
 
 Imam IbnTaymiyyah also said regarding the person, whose habit is to listen to music, "His state of emotions becomes less passionate when he hears the Quran. On the contrary, when he listens to instruments of the devil (music), he dances a lot. If the prayer is established, he either prays while sitting down or performs it as fast as when the roaster picks seeds. He dislikes listening to the Quran and does not find beauty in it while reciting it. He has no taste for the Quran and feels no love for it or pleasure when it is read. Rather, he finds pleasure if he listens to Mukaa' or Tasdiyah. These are satanic pleasures and he is among those whom Allah mentioned in the Ayah, And whosoever turns away from the remembrance of the Most Beneficent (Allah), We appoint for him Satan to be a companion for him.  [43:3 6]." [Awliyaa' Ar-Rahman].
 
  Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim said, "Of the tricks of the enemy of Allah, Satan, that he uses to trap those who do not enjoy much intelligence, knowledge or sincerity in religion, are Mukaa' and Tasdiyah. These people of ignorance listen to and use musical instruments that are prohibited and which lead the hearts to abandoning the Quran. These hearts are indulging in sin and disobedience of Allah. Music, then, is Satan's Quran and the barrier between one and Allah. It is the way to sodomy and adultery. With it, the lover finds what he seeks and dreams of sinful love. Satan has trapped the weak hearts in the love of singing and made it beautiful to them. Satan reveals to his agents fake proofs that they use as evidence to the beauty of singing. These people accept Satan's revelation and, as a consequence, abandon the Quran. When you witness them while listening, you will find them silent in humbleness, sitting idle and their hearts are concentrating and totally enjoying music and singing. Their hearts will feel closer to music, as if they were drunk. They dance and move in a suggestive manner, like faggots and whores. And why not? They are drunk with the pleasure of listening to music and singing and act accordingly. For other than Allah, and for Satan, there are hearts that are being broken by sin, and fortunes that are being spent for other than Allah's Pleasure. They spend their lives in joyful fun and make a mockery of their religion. Instruments of the devil are sweeter to their ears than the Quran. If one of them listens to the Quran from beginning to end, it will have little effect or excitement on him. If Satan's Quran is being performed and heard, they feel joy in their hearts and one can see it in their eyes. Their feet dance, their hands clap, their breathing intensifies and the rest of their bodies feel joy. O you who are trapped in this sin, you who have sold your share of Allah to Satan, what a losing deal! Why not feels this joy when you listen to the Quran? Why not feel pleasure and comfort when the Glorious Quran is recited? But, everyone seeks what he feels is suitable for him, and ends up with what is really suitable for him." [Ighathat Al-Lahfan].
 
 Sheikh Abdulaziz bin Baz was asked about listening to music and songs, "Is it Haram? I only listen to it for pleasure. What about playing the Rababah (a kind of guitar) and old songs? What about using drums in weddings?"
 
Sheikh Ibn Baz said, "Listening to music is Haram and a sin. It is a matter that leads to weakening the hearts and abandoning the Thikr of Allah and the prayer. The scholars said about the Ayah, And of' mankind he who purchases idle talks [31:6], that idle talks means singing. Abullah ibn Masud, the Prophet's companion, used to swear by Allah that it is singing. If singing is accompanied by the Rababah, 'Ud (Arabic guitar), fiddles or drums, it is even more Haram. Any singing with any instrument is Haram and the scholars are unanimous on this. Therefore, Muslims must be aware of it. The Prophet said, "From among my nation there will be those who render as lawful adultery, silk (for men), AI-Khamr (alcohol) and musical instruments." [Al-Bukhari]. I advise you and others to read the Quran and keep remembering Allah. I advise you to listen to Quranic programs on the radio. This way, one will find pleasure and will keep busy so he can stay away from music and songs. As for weddings, the Daff(tambourine) can be used along with innocent singing that does not call to sin. This can be done at night, only in weddings and only by and for women. These songs are a way of announcing an Islamic marriage. The Sunnah of the Prophet supports the above. As for the drums, they are Haram all the time. The Daffis permitted in weddings and only for and by women."
 
  Many Muslims today render music as permissible. This is due to their ignorance or outright defiance of the religion. We ask Allah that we are among those who listen to the speech and follow the best of what it contains. These are the ones whom Allah has guided and granted them the bounty of sanity and comprehending minds.



THE MUSLIM CREED   A monthly Publication of DIH
Volume 6, Issue 2 February 1998



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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2006, 03:02:29 am »


Listening to music and singing is a sin and cause for the sickening and weakening of the heart.

????  Shocked  this is crazy!


The following companions gave this Tafsir: Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud, Mujahid and Ikrimah. Ibn Masud said, "By Allah, whom there is no God except Him, idle talk is singing."

honestly, this just beats me.  how can "idle talk" be interpreted as "singing" by the wildest stretch of one's imagination ?  please enlighten o "scholars" !!


 
 
 Imam IbnTaymiyyah also said regarding the person, whose habit is to listen to music, "His state of emotions becomes less passionate when he hears the Quran. On the contrary, when he listens to instruments of the devil (music), he dances a lot. If the prayer is established, he either prays while sitting down or performs it as fast as when the roaster picks seeds. He dislikes listening to the Quran and does not find beauty in it while reciting it. He has no taste for the Quran and feels no love for it or pleasure when it is read. Rather, he finds pleasure if he listens to Mukaa' or Tasdiyah. These are satanic pleasures ...

OMG .. what calculated manipulation! 

Ibn Tayammah, ibn al-Qayim and shiekh ibn Baz ... didn't they fear Allah?  then how did they come up with such guesses and lies about the Quran?  nauzbillah!!!




Sister Zeynab .. I fully appreciate your comments that contain some great clarifications.  may Allah grant us strength of keep holding on to the truth, ameen.


 
 
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2006, 03:59:53 am »


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even as a 'hadither' i'd say this artilce is a bit too steep also for me ..   Sad


p.s.  before any angry words come at me  Grin i reiterate, i'm talkin about the article not sister zeynab's clarifications
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2006, 04:05:14 am »


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even as a 'hadither' i'd say this artilce is a bit too steep also for me ..   Sad




at last u admitted it  Jumping   .. just proves the level of unacceptability of salaf rulings
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 11:54:37 am »

wsalam .

very appreciating efforts sister zeynab may Allah bless u.
 Shocked music is sinful shocking ! when Allah's commandments are so subtle and cleare then how can these mischief makers have made our beautiful religion so complicated ?  Angry I am unable to understand why they just pick once verse to misguide us  Huh

Say: My Lord forbiddeth only indecencies, such of them as are apparent and such as are within, and sin and wrongful oppression, and that ye associate with Allah that for which no warrant hath been revealed, and that ye tell concerning Allah that which ye know not..7:33


whatever they want is forbidden BUT what Allah forbidden they make it lawful ? that's the mock .my question is why ? how can ulma's declare music as Fahashi or haram  ??

when the original fahashi's and haram's (zina,muta ,urfi etc are not fahashi ,not haram ,not sin to them )?
changes in Divine law, Death penalty of zina only for women ,unquranic triple divorce law is  NOT A SIN ??
tempering of quran verses,misinterpretation is not sin ??
 
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actually these verse of  surah luqman 31:6 to 7 are for them .These imams mislead ummah from Allah's way without knowledge

And of mankind is he who payeth for mere pastime of discourse, that he may mislead from Allah's way without knowledge, and maketh it the butt of mockery. For such there is a shameful doom.31:6

And when Our revelations are recited unto him he turneth away in pride as if he heard them not, as if there were a deafness in his ears. So give him tidings of a painful doom.31:7

those who purchase ( scholar's and ulma's whos rejecting the Quran on behalf of men written books )

forbidden and haram..

right interpretation of ' idle tales '(entire hadith collection , their own tales books ,men so-called imam made tafsir's)
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2012, 05:56:03 pm »

Exactly sister.  Idle tales and chinese whispers .. those are the contents of hadith.  Total bullshit.  I've heard of hardline wababs who have even killed people for listening to music.  In Afghanistan, talibans have raided wedding parties and beheaded people for playing folk-music or folk-songs during weddings.  They conveniently forget that murdering innocent people is one of the biggest Haram acts according to the Noble Quran.  You're so correct, what the Noble Quran forbids as Haram, the people make it Halal.  And what's not Haram according to Allah, is made Haram by these people.  They think that they will preside and make decisions on the Day of Judgment.  Allah will deal with these quacks. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2012, 06:04:54 pm »

As-Salam Alaiykum, everyone.  Sister Muslima must have found my pro-hadith comments confusing.   lol .. so I thought it's better to put up a clarification.  When I joined as member of MV seven years ago, I was still studying hadith and was 50/50 whether or not to accept it.   A few hadiths sounded okay but many more were so bad, and I kept asking myself how can majority run after hadith if it's so bad.  Maybe there is something hidden which is good.  But as time went by and I read & researched more, I knew the majority was wrong and MV was right  Cheesy  That's when I officially told my Hadithist group "I'm quitting your group, Hadith is Haram."   And that's when I too was made a member of MV Team with the others  Cheesy  Alhumdulilah.    May Allah guide all of us.  The more I research Hadith, the more I realize how terribly Haram it is. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 06:16:06 pm »

Ahaa ha ha !!  Cheesy Cheesy   Brother PT, no problem.  We have all been through that stage.  The fart of Hadith is blown so much in the air by the mainstream that we all get to smell it.  When we see the big crowd following it, we think to ourselves "what's the secret behind this following?" And then, when we research it to find answers, we discover that it's a big bundle of horse-crap.  That's why the imams and ulemas always dissuade us from researching hadith.  They know that once we start scrutinizing it ourselves, we will find out the truth and kick it off .. just as you did and we all did.  I kicked off Hadith about 9 years ago.  So you are only 2 years behind me.  That's all   Grin   Well done my brother and thanks for being a great MV team member. Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 06:24:54 pm »

lol ,, absolutely right.

That's why the imams and ulemas always dissuade us from researching hadith.  They know that once we start scrutinizing it ourselves, we will find out the truth and kick it off .. just as you did and we all did.  I kicked off Hadith about 9 years ago.  So you are only 2 years behind me.  That's all   Grin   Well done my brother and thanks for being a great MV team member. Cheesy Cheesy[/size][/font]

This is precisely what happened in my case too.   When I was reading the hadiths, I had those "wait a minute" moments so often because of the numerous absurdities mentioned in those narrations that I told my hadithist friends I needed to find out the hadith history and think more because there are too many senseless things in it.  When I said that, they pounced upon me saying "no no, you are not supposed to make those findings on your own.  you must consult a scholar."  But thank Allah I had the sense to ignore their pleas and I went ahead with my research on my own. 


  The fart of Hadith is blown so much in the air by the mainstream that we all get to smell it. 

haah hah haa ha   Grin Grin    spot on!
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As-Salam Alaiykum, everyone.  Sister Muslima must have found my pro-hadith comments confusing.   lol .. so I thought it's better to put up a clarification.  When I joined as member of MV seven years ago, I was still studying hadith and was 50/50 whether or not to accept it.   A few hadiths sounded okay but many more were so bad, and I kept asking myself how can majority run after hadith if it's so bad.  Maybe there is something hidden which is good.  But as time went by and I read & researched more, I knew the majority was wrong and MV was right  Cheesy  That's when I officially told my Hadithist group "I'm quitting your group, Hadith is Haram."   And that's when I too was made a member of MV Team with the others  Cheesy  Alhumdulilah.    May Allah guide all of us.  The more I research Hadith, the more I realize how terribly Haram it is. 



wsalam brother thanks for clarification  Cheesy Mashallah i am glad to know about u  WELL DONE bro


my view is very simple always ONE ALLAH ,ONE BOOK  then where from the second come ?? to me accepting hadith mean accepting second option which is not allowed in Quran and against the oneness too so i never accept hadith ,i don't read hadith yes i read few of them to know the lie but never accept .I though All prophets( first to last one prophet muhammad pbuh) were appointed by Allah to convey his message to human beings !! that's it  None of them has said follow us or our saying and hadith writers were not appointed By Allah or prophet (pbuh) to spread the sayings outside Quran so why accept hadith ? i have problem with scholars ,ulmas their stories made me sick ,i am disagree with them I read few commentaries but i always felt there is something fishy ,why their truth left so many doubts ? why my heart and mind don't accept if it's true ? i was looking for truth, right guidance of someone who says yes your confusion is right they are lairs and finaly alhamdulillah i have found MV
i truly appreciate sister Zeynab and  all of guys Allah will reward u ameen..
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2012, 09:05:56 am »

Exactly sister.  Idle tales and chinese whispers .. those are the contents of hadith.  Total bullshit.  I've heard of hardline wababs who have even killed people for listening to music.  In Afghanistan, talibans have raided wedding parties and beheaded people for playing folk-music or folk-songs during weddings.  They conveniently forget that murdering innocent people is one of the biggest Haram acts according to the Noble Quran.  You're so correct, what the Noble Quran forbids as Haram, the people make it Halal.  And what's not Haram according to Allah, is made Haram by these people.  They think that they will preside and make decisions on the Day of Judgment.  Allah will deal with these quacks. 

 Inshallah Allah will punish them. Angry
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2012, 10:05:15 pm »

JazekAllah khair, sister Mulima.  May Allah continue to guide all of us with the Light of His guidance from the Quran alone.  May our iman keep getting stronger every day and strongest on the day we leave this world.  Ameen.  This is the most important thing. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2012, 08:17:34 am »

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