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« on: October 07, 2008, 06:35:06 am »

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I was reading the lecture I've quoted at the end of this post on a pdf format written by some unknown person, apparently one of those so-called 'ulemas' (can't recall his name) who was trying to explain the importance of the status of 'imam.'  Frankly I found this lecture very unacceptable, if not offensive.  This person is attempting to take the Quranic contents out of context for the purpose of misinterpreting and raising the status of present-day imams, by making it look as though imams are Divinely inspired in their own ways.  I think it's really wrong of our ulemas to play such games to impress the people.  They don't  stop to be careless even with the Noble Quran.

Besides, I would also like to clarify the actual and truthful references of the Quranic verses cited in the following lecture.  These verses do not refer to the imams of today who lead the prayers and give fatwas as attemped by the author of this lecture.  You can check the verses yourself at the Quran website.


21:73 = This verse refers to Prophet Abraham (pbuh).

32:24 = Refers specifically to some of the successors of Prophet Moses (pbuh), who may not have been prophets but were good leaders.  The verse does not refer to imams of all times to come.

13:7 = This verse refers specifically to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

6:97 = This verse refers to the actual stars and how people in the olden days navigated in the sea and land by looking at the stars on a clear sky.  Star, in this verse, isn't used as a metaphor for 'imams' as wrongly insinuated in the lecture below.  Stars in this verse simply mean the real stars.

22:52 = This verse is only about Messengers / Prophets.  Allah says that whenever He placed His Message with a Messenger or a Prophet, Satan always tried to bring about opposition (that is, arouse opposition in the hearts of people).  But Allah always defeats all such oppositions.  This verse has nothing to do with imams.

Now check the lecture below.

 
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Imam/Muhaddath ('muhaddath' means imam)
Imam means a person who is appointed by God as a leader and as a guide (see
Quran 21:73 and 32:24) to whom obedience is due, and whom people should
follow. Messengers are Warners and Imams are Guides (13:7). Imams are the
Stars of Guidance (6:97).

Imam does not receive divine revelation about Sharia (divine law). He does
not receive any commands concerning new religous paractices, and so on.
However, he may be informed of the events about the past and future.

Another difference between Rasool and Nabi and Imam is on how they communicate with the angels, and is given in Usul Kafi, kitabul Hujjah usder verse 22:52:

Rasool sees and hears the angel in awakness and sleep. Nabi hears the angel
and sees him while asleep, but does not see him while awake though hears
the speech. Imam (muhaddith) is the one who hears the angel in awakness
while does not see him in awakness or sleep.
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2008, 09:33:25 pm »

OMG!  This is baffling to say the least!!!!  No doubt this quote is an attempt to elevate the status of present day imams, many of whom are doused in misguidance.

And ..

Imams hear the angels and are informed of the past and future??  Shocked What kinda nonsense is this?

Who's the author of that quote?  Do you have that pdf website?

And thanks for clarifying the Quraanic verses.  Those verses have absolutely nothing to do with the imams - neither with the medieval imams like Bukhari etc. nor with the modern day imams.  It was particularly shocking to read how this person has manipulated verse 6:97 by twisting it into a false metaphor.  As you correctly stated, stars in that verse simply refer the stars in the sky that helped people to travel on land and sea in the past. 

Thanks for putting this up sister.  All manipulations must be exposed for people to know and beware of them.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2008, 09:35:43 pm »

P.S.  Sister cat, I modified the link of the Quraan website as the previous Pickthall website is not available .. don't know why.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 03:44:42 am »

OMG!  This is baffling to say the least!!!!  No doubt this quote is an attempt to elevate the status of present day imams, many of whom are doused in misguidance.

And ..

Imams hear the angels and are informed of the past and future??  Shocked What kinda nonsense is this?

And thanks for clarifying the Quraanic verses.  Those verses have absolutely nothing to do with the imams - neither with the medieval imams like Bukhari etc. nor with the modern day imams.  It was particularly shocking to read how this person has manipulated verse 6:97 by twisting it into a false metaphor.  As you correctly stated, stars in that verse simply refer the stars in the sky that helped people to travel on land and sea in the past. 


Yes, this is absolutely appaling.  These so-called ulemas have written so many books of all diverse opinions that no wonder the Muslims are today divided into so many groups and sects.  I never pay heed to such writings.  It's nothing besides misguidance.


Who's the author of that quote?  Do you have that pdf website?

While the author of it isn't clear, but most probably this is by some Shiia group, I also found this text in a non-pdf site.  Click the following link and then scroll down to the title "Imam/Muhaddath" as written below

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Imam/Muhaddath
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Both such traditionalists as well as modernists also talk a lot about differences between prophet and messsenger, and now they've dragged the term 'imam' also as a separate category. 

As for the terms 'prophet' and 'messenger' .... they are meant to be one and the same.  Check our post Every Prophet is also a Messenger and vice-versa, for the most truthful and honest clarification.

As for the term 'imam,' whatever is written by this shiia author is purely his personal opinion - and a pretty false opinion.  The Noble Quran gives us NO reason to believe such things.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 03:52:12 am »

OMG!  This is baffling to say the least!!!!  No doubt this quote is an attempt to elevate the status of present day imams, many of whom are doused in misguidance.

And ..

Imams hear the angels and are informed of the past and future??  Shocked What kinda nonsense is this?

And thanks for clarifying the Quraanic verses.  Those verses have absolutely nothing to do with the imams - neither with the medieval imams like Bukhari etc. nor with the modern day imams.  It was particularly shocking to read how this person has manipulated verse 6:97 by twisting it into a false metaphor.  As you correctly stated, stars in that verse simply refer the stars in the sky that helped people to travel on land and sea in the past. 


Yes, this is absolutely appaling.  These so-called ulemas have written so many books of all diverse opinions that no wonder the Muslims are today divided into so many groups and sects.  I never pay heed to such writings.  It's nothing besides misguidance.


Who's the author of that quote?  Do you have that pdf website?

While the author of it isn't clear, but most probably this is by some Shiia group, I also found this text in a non-pdf site.  Click the following link and then scroll down to the title "Imam/Muhaddath" as written below

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Imam/Muhaddath
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Both such traditionalists as well as modernists also talk a lot about differences between prophet and messsenger, and now they've dragged the term 'imam' also as a separate category. 

As for the terms 'prophet' and 'messenger' .... they are meant to be one and the same.  Check our post Every Prophet is also a Messenger and vice-versa for the most truthful and honest clarification.

As for the term 'imam,' whatever is written by this shiia author is purely his personal opinion - and a pretty false opinion.  The Noble Quran gives us NO reason to believe such things.

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 04:04:59 am »

Browsing this Shiia chat site, I get the impression that this 12 imam belief is also among Sunnis.  If you scroll down the following site almost to the end, you'll find a paragraph that says "About our Imams: There are twelve Imams (Guides) after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF). Prophet mentioned that the number of his successors are twelve, and al-Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Ahmad, ... recorded that."  Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi and Ahmed are supposed to be Sunni hadith writers.  This obviously means that the concept of 12 imams is also accepted by Sunnis.  How these folks love to embrace their stories and neglect the real Truth. 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t234950425.html
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