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« on: October 10, 2008, 08:44:25 pm »

A few days ago we were chatting after dinner and my neice said she read a Hadith which allowed breastfeeding to an adult.  We were shocked.  Of course it's no secret that Hadith is full of absurdities, but we hadn't ever heard about this.  I began searching for this Hadith and I didn't have to spend too much time in finding it.  I found it in the Muslim Defence website. 
 
Now, just check the following.  This is uniquely appaling!  Such Hadith writers apparently had some kinda pre-planned strategy to defame Islam and the Prophet (pbuh).  They needed dire punishment. 
 
The Hadith under discussion written by Muslim bin Hajaj reads:
 
"Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared."  Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3425 - 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her)]
 
 
OK .... above is the Hadith.  Now before I quote the so-called background of this Hadith and the explanation given by Hadith defenders, let me give you an idea in my own words as to what this absurditiy is about. 
 
Salim was supposed to be a freed slave adopted by Abu Hudhaifa and his wife.  As long as Salim was a kid, everything was fine.  But when he grew older and was past puberty, Abu Hudhaifa began getting jealous of the presence of his adopted son because Abu Hudhaifa's wife would be at home in her domestic clothes without hijab and Abu Hudhaifa didn't want Salim to be around his wife while she was 'informally' dressed.  In other words,  Abu Hudhaifa began feeling uneasy by Salim's presence around his adopted mother.  The reason being that Salim was not their biological son.  So, Abu Hudhaifa's wife allegedly went to the Prophet (pbuh) for advise.  Here is the biggest lie written by Muslim bin Hajaj.  According to the falsehood of this Hadith writer, the Prophet (pbuh) is supposed to have advised her that she should breastfeed her adopted son who was now a big hulk and this way he would become like a biological son or a mehram in relation to her.  I don't know from where this Hadith writer concocted this mad story.  Not only that the Prophet (pbuh) definitely NEVER gave such advise, but the whole idea of this Hadith is so crazy.  Most importantly, the Noble Quran NEVER says anything of this sort.  There's NO such concept in the Quran of breastfeeding an adult, and certainly there's absolutely NO such references in the Quran that breastfeeding builds up a mehram relationship. Much to the contrary, the Quran gives clear orders that mothers are to breastfeed their babies for the first 2 years only.

The craziness of this Hadith does not end here.  It's an undeniable fact that the very theme of this Hadith is just too nonsensical, if not vulgar .... breastfeeding an adult (AstaghfarAllah).  Though the Hadith evidently states that the foster mother breastfed her grown-up adopted son, as usual it causes embarassment to the Hadith followers.   In an attempt to straighten it out a bit, the Hadith defenders have come up with an explanation that makes this Hadith sound still more obnoxious as well as  comical!  Since breastfeeding an adult sounds cheap and disgusting, the Hadith defenders say that the foster mother didn't physically suckle the big boy, but her breast milk was collected in a container (as though she was a cow  LaaughingAway) and the boy drank from the container for a few days which made him like a biological son.   Oh man!!  How ridiculous can things get on the Hadith front !!!!!!!! 
 
Now, I quote the excerpts from the website as the so-called tafsir of this Hadith.
 
Quote --
 
Physical Breastfeeding did not actually take place, because no contact was made between the mother and Salem, because the milk was collected in a container and that’s how Salem drank it.

The word used in Arabic is Reda means nursing only & does not necessarily suggest breast-feeding physically. Also no sexual contact was made because this is what was reported by Muhammad Ibn Sa’d and Ibn Hajar Al-‘Asqalani in their biographies of Sahla bint Suhail (the foster mother)   

According to Ibn Saad and Ibn Hajar --   

The husband of the foster mother was jealous that Salem approached his wife like a son approaches his mother. So the prophet Muhammed wanted to make him accept Salem as a son, so obviously the prophet would not suggest that she literally breastfeed him, & obviously the jealous husband would not allow this to happen either.   

This incident is only an exception because the general Muslim view is that there is no breastfeeding after the first two years of age, This is supported from the Quran (2:233)& Sunnah, and also Commentaries.   

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2008, 08:47:07 pm »

OMG!  I too never knew of this hadith and the reading leaves me aghast!!  It really sounds like some of those jokes one would expect to read in the dirty jokes' websites. 


  Not only that the Prophet (pbuh) definitely NEVER gave such advise, but the whole idea of this Hadith is so crazy.  Most importantly, the Noble Quran NEVER says anything of this sort.  There's NO such concept in the Quran of breastfeeding an adult, and certainly there's absolutely NO such references in the Quran that breastfeeding builds up a mehram relationship. 

Absolutely correct ..



 Since breastfeeding an adult sounds cheap and disgusting, the Hadith defenders say that the foster mother didn't physically suckle the big boy, but her breast milk was collected in a container (as though she was a cow  LaaughingAway) and the boy drank from the container for a few days which made him like a biological son.   Oh man!!  How ridiculous can things get on the Hadith front !!!!!!!! 

Uffff!  taubah, taubah!  really gross ..

You know, the saddest thing here is, those non-Muslims who's goal is to attack Islam find such falsehoods as their much sought after weapon.

 


as though she was a cow 

LOL! LOL!
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2008, 02:53:51 am »

I'm also reading this hadith for the first time.  It's sickening.  And its theme completely contradicts the Noble Quran, as usual.  The Quran says to men that none are their mothers except those who gave them birth.  And this hadith claims that the mere act of breastfeeding is enough to make a woman a man's mother.  I don't know from where these hadith writers used to get such ideas.  Really shameful.  Thanks sister rose for putting this here.
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 06:02:55 am »

I recently did some research and found out that there are many such dirty Hadiths on breastfeeding grown-up bearded hulks!  shameful !!

Apart from the vulgarity, it also contradicts verse 2:233.  The Noble Quran has made it very clear that, first, there's no such thing as a non-mehram male becoming mehram simply by breastfeeding.  Secondly, the importance of guarding one's modesty for both men and women.  And thirdly, verses 2:233 and 46:15 make it plain that young children are to be breastfed up to between 2 years and 30 months.  That's it.  

"Mothers shall suckle their children for two whole years; (that is) for those who wish to complete the suckling. " 2:233

"And We have commended unto man kindness toward parents. His mother beareth him with reluctance, and bringeth him forth with reluctance, and the bearing of him and the weaning of him is thirty months, till, when he attaineth full strength and reacheth forty years, he saith: My Lord! Arouse me that I may give thanks for the favour wherewith Thou hast favoured me and my parents, .."   (46:15)


If you scan thru the hadiths on breastfeeding of oldies (all LIES of course), you will find that Bukhari etc. commonly forge narrations with women requesting to breastfeed 'such and such' guy only to make them mehram.

SAHIH BUKHARI IS NOT "SAHIH" - IT IS LYING SHIT.  IT'S PORNOGRAPHY. 

Sorry folks, I'm really feeling mad at this damned culture of Hadith.  Why did it have to start.  May Allah (The Most High) curse Bukhari & co.  They have written such BAATIL.  Total falsehood. 

Let newcomers to Islam know that Hadith is NOT Islam.  Also let those fuckin rightwing hardline non-Muslims who are hellbent upon defaming Islam and who are happily using the crap of Hadith and calling it "Islam" know that Hadith is NOT Islam.  Hadith is forgery by the enemies of Islam and a copy-cat practice of the altered hebrew and christian bibles.   F*** all those so-called Muslims who support Hadith.  All Hadith narrators and writers were lovers of Bibles.  And they were all new converts who embraced Islam for political motives and to change Islam by making it like the religion of the Jews, christians and pagans.   The most conniving of these converts were the jewish and Zoroastrian (parsi) converts.  Abu Hurairah, the biggest villian, was a jewish convert. 

I appeal to all new Muslims and all Muslims, please do not pay any attention to the Hadith literature.  Just be focused on the Noble Quran and this is the command of Allah (The Most High).

We seek refuge in Allah Almighty from the unprecedented shaytaani of Bukhari, Abu Hurairah & co.
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2010, 05:17:16 am »

lol,,looool,,,,  Grin Grin I can well understand your anger, sis.  I too feel much the same.  It's really disgusting.  Actually there are many hadiths on 'adult breast feeding' or "pornography" as you rightly mentioned.  And you know what?  If you complain about this ridiculous hadith in a sunni forum, they try to justify it by saying that it's not direct breast feeding but milk filled in a utensil or cup  RollLaugh  Aren't humans totally crazy when it comes to defending their human icons?  To protect their shaitan imams, they will go to any lenghts.  I would simply wish to ask those hadith thumper men who read this hadith that would they ever suggest to their wives, mothers, daughters or sisters of fill up a cup with their breast milk for the purpose of giving it to some male outsider to drink for making relationship with him more informal?  I would also like to ask those Hadith thumping women that would they ever accept such a request from anyone? 
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2010, 01:39:37 am »

LOL .. sister Heba I too understand your anger.  This entire culture of Hadith lies is more than just a little infuriating

If you can prepare a comprehensive one on this topic including a few other Hadiths which say the same, I'd put it up on the blog with your name.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2010, 04:46:35 am »

Just did some more research of this very false hadith from brother Z. Nazim's site.  I agree that our 'scholars' are too embarrassed by this hadith.  And sister Rose is right.  In an attempt to correct it, they maintain the embarrassment in another way by saying it wasn't physical and a container was filled with the breast milk for the foster son who was now a big grown up man. 

I'm trying to figure out which 'scholar' twisted it by saying breast feeding wasn't physical which is of course just as obnoxious.  The following is the same hadith story with a different narrator.  None of these hadiths on adult breastfeeding talk about putting milk in container.  I suppose the personal lust of Hadith narrators & writers prefers their own invention of falshood.  The later-time so-called scholars somehow think filling a container with breast milk sounds less shocking because most of these 'scholars' are no less crazy themselves.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Hadith Number 3428:
Zainab daughter of Abu Salama reported: I heard Umm Salama, the wife of Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him, saying to ‘A’isha: By Allah, I do not like to be seen by a young boy who has passed the period of fosterage, whereupon she (‘A’isha) said: Why is it so? Sahla daughter of Suhail came to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah’s Messenger, I swear by Allah that I see in the face of Abu Hudhaifa (the signs of disgust) on account of entering of Salim (in the house), whereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him (Breastfeed him).

She (Sahla bint Suhail) said: He has a beard.

But he (again) said: Suckle him (Breastfeed him), and it would remove what is there (expression of disgust) on the face of Abu Hudhaifa.

She said: (I did that) and, by Allah, I did not see (any sign of disgust) on the face of Abu Hadhaifa.


Corresponding Sahih Muslim Arabic – Hadith Serial No. 3677 –

وَحَدَّثَنِى أَبُو الطَّاهِرِ وَهَارُونُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ الأَيْلِىُّ – وَاللَّفْظُ لِهَارُونَ – قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ وَهْبٍ أَخْبَرَنِى مَخْرَمَةُ بْنُ بُكَيْرٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ حُمَيْدَ بْنَ نَافِعٍ يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ زَيْنَبَ بِنْتَ أَبِى سَلَمَةَ تَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ أُمَّ سَلَمَةَ زَوْجَ النَّبِىِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَقُولُ لِعَائِشَةَ وَاللَّهِ مَا تَطِيبُ نَفْسِى أَنْ يَرَانِى الغُلاَمُ قَدِ اسْتَغْنَى عَنِ الرَّضَاعَةِ . فَقَالَتْ لِمَ قَدْ جَاءَتْ سَهْلَةُ بِنْتُ سُهَيْلٍ إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَتْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهِ إِنِّى لأَرَى فِى وَجْهِ أَبِى حُذَيْفَةَ مِنْ دُخُولِ سَالِمٍ . قَالَتْ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم « أَرْضِعِيهِ ». فَقَالَتْ إِنَّهُ ذُو لِحْيَةٍ .

فَقَالَ « أَرْضِعِيهِ يَذْهَبْ مَا فِى وَجْهِ أَبِى حُذَيْفَةَ ».

فَقَالَتْ وَاللَّهِ مَا عَرَفْتُهُ فِى وَجْهِ أَبِى حُذَيْفَةَ . تحفة 17841 – 1453/30

ذُو – Means Possessor of

لِحْيَةٍ- Means Beard.

ذُو لِحْيَةٍ . – Meaning – this guy has a beard.

And Prophet says : Suckle him (Breastfeed him – The Bearded man).

2 – Let us see What Ibn Majah has to say:

These hadithes are found in Chapter 36 – ((36)) باب رضاع الكبير

Titled Chapter on Breasting feeding of Adults (grown-up men)

i. Ibn Majah Arabic – Hadith Serial No.1943

1943- حَدَّثَنَا هشام بن عمار. حَدَّثَنَا سفيان بن عيينة، عن عبد الرحمن بن القاسم، عن أبيه، عن عائشة؛

- قالت: جائت سهلة بنت سهيل إلى النَّبِيّ صَلَى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَم فقالت: يَا رَسُولَ اللَّه! إني أرى في وجه أبي حذيفة الكراهية من دخول سالم علي. فقال النَّبِيّ صَلَى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَم ((أرضعيه)) قالت: كيف أرضعه وهو رجل كبير؟ فتبسم رَسُول اللَّهِ صَلَى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَم و قَالَ ((قد علمت أنه رجل كبير)). ففعلت. فأتت النَّبِيّ صَلَى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَم فقالت: ما رأيت في وجه أبي حذيفة شيئا أكرهه بعد. وكان شهد بدرا.

Translation:

‘Ayesha narrated that Sahlah Binth Suhail came to the Messenger of Allah and said: Oh Messenger of Allah I see an abhorrence in the face of Abu Hudhaifa on account of Salim entering (the house), whereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him (Breastfeed him).

She said: How can I suckle him (Breastfeed him) – he is a grown-up man?

Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I already know that he is a young man. Do it.  and when the Prophet of Allah came she said : I did not see any disgust on the face of Abu Hudhaifa after that.  He was one of those who participated in the battle of Badr.


A DEN OF LIES ESTABLISHED BY THIS DEGRADED CREATURE, BUKHARI, HIS STUDENT MUSLIM BIN HAJAJ AND THEIR SUCCESSORS !!!!!  ONLY ALLAH (SUBHANA WA'TAALA) WILL PUNISH THEM, INSHALLAH.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2010, 05:02:47 pm »

This hadith is absolutely gross !!!!!!! 
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2010, 01:09:22 am »

And now here's the latest.  I got this on email from a cousin and then also found the news online.  It's from Maktoob Yahoo News

DUBAI - A Saudi scholar who suggested women donate their breast milk to men in an attempt to get around the kingdom’s ban on the mixing of unrelated men and women has sparked controversy, UAE daily Gulf News reported on Sunday.

Sheikh Abdul Mohsin al-Abaican, a consultant at the Saudi royal court, issued a fatwa stating there should be symbolic bond between unrelated men and women who regularly come into contact with each other, the newspaper said.

Abaican said the act would make a man and woman relatives and therefore their coming into contact would not breach the kingdom’s strict Islamic laws, Gulf News said, citing local Arabic newspaper reports.

Much of Saudi Arabia is governed by the conservative Wahhabi version of Islam, under which women are not allowed to go out without male guardians, unrelated men and women cannot mix, and women are not permitted to drive.

"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Abaican was quoted as saying.

"He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing.”

Abaican said the fatwa applied to men who lived in the same house or come into contact with women on a regular basis, except for drivers, according to the newspaper.

"The fatwa is only for those who live in the house or need to get in often," he was quoted as saying.

Bloggers have slammed the fatwa, labelling it “totally unrelated to reality” and calling on scholars to focus on “much more significant issues”, Gulf News said.

Three years ago an Egyptian scholar who attended Al-Azhar University, Sunni Islam's highest seat of learning, called for women to literally breastfeed men as a way of getting around the ban on mixing of the sexes,  according to the newspaper.


Prior to this fatwa of Sheikh Abdul Mohsin, a similar one was also issued by Dr. Izzat Attya, head of deptt of Al-Azha university, Cairo, which is the hub of Sunni / Wahabi mischief.  Dr. Izzat Attya had declared it legitimate for working Muslim women to breastfeed their male colleagues to avoid the sin of khulwa (staying with a stranger in the same room).

I'm sure now everyone knows from where these fatwas are originating?  They are coming from the FALSE Hadith on breast-feeding of bearded adult men.  The imams insist upon calling it "sahih."  Any God-fearing believer would call it pornography.

To sum it up, I'll trace the course of these fatwas again, step by step.  I request all readers to send this message around.  Everyone is entitled to be told about baatil so that they get a chance to reject it and save themselves from a grievous punishment on the Day of Judgment.    Please keep in mind, none of the following were ever uttered by our beloved Prophet (SAAW) nor by Aisha (the mother of believers).  These are the malicious schemes of the kufaar imams to spread imorality for their own pleasure by distorting Islam - our beautiful Faith.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Hadith Number 3425: [English Translation]
‘A’isha .. reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle .. and said: Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him (Breastfeed him) and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear.  She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.


Following this Hadith, I quote the comments of Brother Zulkifi Nazim, and excellent researcher of truth:
 
According to the falsehood of Hadith, Ayesha now gives instructions to suckle any grown up person so that he may become your foster child – I do not know whether to laugh or to cry"
 
Originating from the above Hadith, there are countless other false ones where Aisha is supposed to be freely giving instructions to women to feed adult men to make them mehram or brotherly.

Just one example below.
 
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Hadith Number 3428:
Zainab daughter of Abu Salama reported: I heard Umm Salama, the wife of Allah’s Apostle .. saying to ‘A’isha: By Allah, I do not like to be seen by a young boy who has passed the period of fosterage, whereupon she (‘A’isha) said: Why is it so?  Sahla daughter of Suhail came to Allah’s Messenger .. and said: Allah’s Messenger, I swear by Allah that I see in the face of Abu Hudhaifa (the signs of disgust) on account of entering of Salim (in the house), whereupon Allah’s Messenger .. said: Suckle him (Breastfeed him).
She (Sahla bint Suhail) said: He has a beard.  But he (again) said: Suckle him (Breastfeed him), and it would remove what is there (expression of disgust) on the face of Abu Hudhaifa.  She said: (I did that) and, by Allah, I did not see (any sign of disgust) on the face of Abu Hadhaifa.


And now read this ..

Sunan Ibn Majah. – Hadith Serial No.1944 - Narrated by Aisha
"When the verse enjoining stoning for adultery and Nursing of an adult (grown-up man) 10 times were revealed. It was written on a leaf, and placed under the bed.  We were very busy attending to our duties at the time of the demise of Messenger of Allah (S) ; when a domestic goat (Female Sheep – ewe) entered and ate the leaf."

 
"Nursing of adult 10 times" means breastfeeding him 10 times.
In Arabic, as this hadith contains, ورضاعة الكبير عشرا
 
In this Hadith the writer is also falsely accusing Aisha (the mother of believers) of lying against the Noble Quran.


MAY THE CURSE OF ALLAH BE ON ALL HADITH WRITERS.
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2010, 01:56:56 am »

 >Sad  OK .. excuse me in advance folks.  Some more fruity words are bubbling to shoot out of my mouth.  This is too much.  Someone honestly needs to go to the degraded saudi "royal" court (the descendents of Banu Qunaiqa) and f*** Sheikh Abdul Mohsin al-Abaican, then squeez some milk from his mama's breast and give it to drink to the Sheikh's male friend and then ask the Sheikh how he feels about it.

This is what I call the shame of Sunni wahabiism, supplying ammunitions built with falsehoods to the enemies of Islam without any fear of Allah Almighty.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2010, 04:03:05 pm »

>Sad  OK .. excuse me in advance folks.  Some more fruity words are bubbling to shoot out of my mouth.  This is too much.  Someone honestly needs to go to the degraded saudi "royal" court (the descendents of Banu Qunaiqa) and f*** Sheikh Abdul Mohsin al-Abaican, then squeez some milk from his mama's breast and give it to drink to the Sheikh's male friend and then ask the Sheikh how he feels about it. 

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I think it would be still better if Sheikh Abdul Mohsin Al-Abaican's wife is told to donate her breast milk to the fat drunkard, Saudi king Abdullah, and then Sheikh Abdul Mohsin should be told that his wife is spending a night alone with her "foster brother."   I would then love to see the expression on the Sheikh's face  LaaughingAway
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2010, 04:32:04 pm »

 Grin Grin Grin Grin   that's a good idea.  tell the sheikh of the royal court to make that douchebag king abdullah is wife's "foster son" and photograph the expression of his face


Sunan Ibn Majah. – Hadith Serial No.1944 - Narrated by Aisha
"When the verse enjoining stoning for adultery and Nursing of an adult (grown-up man) 10 times were revealed. It was written on a leaf, and placed under the bed.  We were very busy attending to our duties at the time of the demise of Messenger of Allah (S) ; when a domestic goat (Female Sheep – ewe) entered and ate the leaf."


OMG!  and this above hadith, apart from carrying the usual defamation of the Prophet (S), what comes first is that it's gross blasphemy.  The lie to justify stoning for adultery is that the verse on stoning was eaten up by a goat or sheep.  Now the same lie is being used for justifying adult breastfeeding as well.  By Allah!  this Hadith writer does not deserve any forgivness from Him.  Allah (The Most High) has preserved & protected the entire Quran consisting of a total of 6,346 verses for more than 1400 years from all types of miscreants and trouble-makers, and is the above hadith trying to say that Allah couldn't protect one Ayat from a sheep?  This hadith writer needs a good beating, really.
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2010, 07:41:40 am »


OMG!  and this above hadith, apart from carrying the usual defamation of the Prophet (S), what comes first is that it's gross blasphemy.  The lie to justify stoning for adultery is that the verse on stoning was eaten up by a goat or sheep.  Now the same lie is being used for justifying adult breastfeeding as well.  By Allah!  this Hadith writer does not deserve any forgivness from Him.  Allah (The Most High) has preserved & protected the entire Quran consisting of a total of 6,346 verses for more than 1400 years from all types of miscreants and trouble-makers, and is the above hadith trying to say that Allah couldn't protect one Ayat from a sheep?  This hadith writer needs a good beating, really.

Yes brother, u r perfectly right.  This hadith contains one of the biggest blasphemies, as if Allah (The Most High) is not able to protect His final Message - AstaghfarAllah!  Only a hardline kaafir will imply such things, and the followers of such kaafirs can only be kaafirs themselves.  A believer will only have deep contempt for such talks. 

This hadith says three bad things
1) first it puts up a false quote attributed to Aisha who, according to the Hadith writers, is supposed to be attributing it to the Prophet (S).  This is LIE No.1.

2)  Then, in order to spread the dirty laws of breastfeeding of adult guys and stoning for adultery, this Hadith writer insults Allah (The Most High) by referring that Allah could not protect a part of the Quran from a sheep.  Nauzbillah!!!! 

3)  And then, this hadith tries to make Aisha look like a careless and irresponsible person, sounding very complacent about losing two Ayats of the Quran as if she lost a pair of earings.

Actually so-called sahih bukhari and sahih muslim, these 2 farts, they have written lots of rude things about Aisha.  It is these 2 hadith writers who are mainly responsible for turning the Shiias against Aisha and her father, Abu Bakr.  bukhari & muslim have written many hadiths accusing Aisha of hating Fatimah Zahra and accusing Abu Bakr for not liking Ali.   

May the curse of Allah (The Most High) be on these fitnah spreaders and story-tellers, the slaves of Shaitaan.   
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2011, 10:46:32 am »

Here's what shocks me most.  Well, we always knew that farts like Bukhari & co. were lowly loafers.  But when decent people hear or see a bunch of filthy loafers talking porn, they should simply ignore them and walk away.  Instead of doing that, the modern imans, "scholars and ulemas" are doing just the opposite.  They are preserving this vulgar madness and making sure that they legalise it to the fullest.  However, they are aware of the obnoxious nature of this Hadith.  For this reason, though we hear of the sheikhs and ulemas making this despicable Hadith a law, but uptil now I've never heard of any female from the family of any sheikh or imam breastfeeding the sheikh's friend or colleague to give him a clean bill that he's 'mehram' for her. 

It seems that the entire academic institution comprising of these sheikhs and ulemas has gone crazy.  Check the following excerpt from Quran-Islam.org which I came across recently.

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Dr. Izzat Attya, head of the department of Hadith in Al-Azhar, which is the world’s most prestigious Islamic University, issued a fatwa (religious decree), declaring that it is legitimate for a working Muslim woman to breast-feed her male colleague to avoid the sin of ‘khulwa’ (being in the company of a male stranger in seclusion).

The widely acclaimed contemporary hadith scholar, late Sheikh Al-Alabani did not see anything wrong in such a hadith. In a twelve minute audio-taped speech he said: “regarding this hadith, I personally don't see any objection for a man to be nursed directly from the nipple. But if someone ever felt uncomfortable with some one getting breast-fed from his wife (even if he only sees just the nipple), he could opt for an alternative way, and that is through a cup!

Sheikh Al Obeikan, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice in Saudi Arabia, said that women who come into regular contact with men, who are not their relatives, should give them their breast milk in order to make them their relatives.

Obeikan’s remarks were followed by an announcement by another powerful Saudi cleric Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, who asked women to allow the men to suckle the milk directly from their breast.

Other religious figures tried to soften the outrageous nature of this hadith by saying that the one in the hadith only drank milk from a utensil and not from the breast.

This is obviously a feeble excuse since the Arabic word used in the hadith is "Arde’ee" which means suckle/breast feed, it does not mean allow him to drink from a utensil!

Needless to say, this hadith contradicts all measures of decency in the Quran. Women are commanded in the Quran to cover their bosoms (24:31) let alone breastfeed adult men!

This hadith is a flagrant lie against the Prophet, and the ones who believe such a hadith are the ones who have no respect whatsoever for the integrity of the Prophet (despite the fact that they claim otherwise).

Conclusion
These were just some examples to demonstrate the lies that have been fabricated against  Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and how these fabricated hadith paint the Prophet (pbuh) as a man who issued teachings which contradict the Quran and had very little regard for many Quranic issues. It also demonstrates the profound prophecy given by God Almighty in the Quran of how Satan will fabricate fancy words and attribute them to the Prophets of God, and how the disbelievers will uphold such false hadith:

"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions." 6:112-113

The true believers will obey God's command and uphold no hadith other than the Quran:

"These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6 (also 7:185, 77:50 and 31:6).

For all the above, we can now understand the reason as to why the messenger of God will complain to God on the Day of Judgment that Muslims have deserted the Quran 25:30.
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2011, 03:02:10 am »

O!  these damned "ulemas" just irritate me so much.  It's like accepting the madness of a madman and making themselves the craziest of all.  Indeed they are no better than intestinal gas or plainly put, "farts" as u right stated.  And the proof of this being another 'preaching that's never practiced' is evident from the fact that this Hadith is one of those many never put into practice .. not even once.  Of course I can understand that though.  How can anyone in his right mind tell his wife, sister, daughter or mother to give a cup of her breast milk to his friend or colleague or boss, let alone nipple feeding?  Disgraceful and dirty beyond imagination !!!!!!!!!   This Hadith can only be taken seriously by the lowly porn dealers in the black market!!
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