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Who are more ridiculous, traditional 'Sunnis' or traditional 'Shiias'?

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2014, 02:31:32 am »

Thanks brothers and sisters, hope you are all doing ok. I'm busy moving to a new place currently. Thanks also to sister Zeynab who gave me the link to this thread.
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2014, 02:36:05 am »


I'll also send it around to those in my email list, some of which are diehard hadithists.

If they still believe this hadith I will commit suicide Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2014, 02:52:25 am »

LMFAO !!   Grin Cheesy Grin   

The camels in the pic look cute.  Those who drank their pee are the real animals.
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2014, 09:55:12 am »

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İhsan Özkes, a retired religious cleric and current member of the Republican People’s Party (CHP), denied the existence of any hadith that would encourage people to drink camel's milk and urine.

So the clerics don't even know what's in their own hadith books. See, that's how much they really know about Islam. According to a poll or something in Turkey most clerics hadn't read the Qur'an even once from cover to cover in their entire life. But apparently some don't even read their own hadith books like the ignorant man in the above quote. Imagine that these are the kind of people most sunnis and shias learn Islam from.
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2014, 01:33:07 pm »

He's intentionally refuting it to avoid embarrassment.  This is another old trick  I've observed time and again.  On at least half a dozen occasions when I've talked to hadithists and their so-called scholars and showed them specific narrations that cannot possibly be seen as anything other than outright appalling, they have had two standard responses.  They either say they don't know of that hadith or that haidth isn't authentic.  My next question has invariably been .... 'if you acknowledge it isn't authentic, why do you keep it in a collection you claim to be authentic, further confounding your disciples?'  The response for this query has never been to the point.  It has either been agitation, telling me that I'm getting information from wrong sources and for that reason I've turned against the "Sunnah."  Or, simply calling me a "munker-e-hadith," whatever the heck that's supposed to mean.

Interestingly I once referred to this term "munker-e-hadith" to a Turkish teacher in an Islamic school in Turkey.  He said this expression is incorrect, that there is no such thing as "munker-e-hadith" and one can accept or reject any hadith one likes.  Well, I told him I reject all of them.

That urine hadith of Bukhari Vol.7, book 71, no.590 narrated by Anas starting with "The climate of Medina ........"  is very widely known in all hadith circles.  Many hadithists also defend it by claiming urine of animals have health benefits.  It's impossible that any traditional cleric wouldn't know of this narration or wouldn't be able to understand what it implies.  That incident involving those people actually drinking it and getting sick was a very shaming one for traditionalists.  The only face-saving gimmick is to say that that hadith doesn't exist.
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2014, 01:58:01 pm »

"One can accept and reject any hadith one likes"? Only a minority of sunnis think like that, even in Turkey. Needless to say, those who reject all hadith are very very rare.
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2014, 02:04:01 pm »

True.  Frankly my family and I were quite surprised to hear him say that, and I haven't heard it from any other cleric either.  Though into traditional beliefs, this guy wasn't exactly a cleric. He was a teacher in a Muslim primary school and mentioned that they required to wear a black suit in the classroom, not abaya or the traditional garb.  So I guess he was a bit different from the usual type.
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2014, 02:08:23 pm »

Btw, he didn't mean that one can reject all hadith.  The allusion was that one can select, but must keep hadith a part of Islam, with which I told him I disagreed.  He remained silent to that but obviously didn't welcome my decision. However, at least he didn't fly into a rage as most of them do.
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