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« on: February 23, 2009, 10:53:28 pm »

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'Sajda-e-Sahw' refers to the 'forgetfulness prostration.'   It literally means "negligence or forgetfulness".  Sajda Sahw is performed as a gesture of apology to Allah, if one makes a mistake while offering salaah.  This mistake can either be an omission of a procedure of salaah or an additional performance of a procedure by mistake or forgetfulness.  At such times, the prostration of Sajda-e-Sahw is often performed.   

In other words, Sajda-e-Sahw is a mark of apology for making a mistake while offering salaah.   

Before coming to the method of Sajda-e-Sahw, let's discuss the following.   

Though Sajda-e-Sahw is not mentioned in the Quraan, it's quite a common practice among Muslims whenever they make a mistake while praying.   

The query which many ask is, since it's not in the Quraan, is this correctional or apologetic step acceptable?  Basically, in my personal view this is a subjective matter.  If one makes a mistake during salaah and decides to skip Sajda Sahw for the reason that the Quraan does not make it mandatory, it surely cannot be called a violation.  The important thing in such a case would be to become aware of the mistake one has made and make an intent (niyyah) to try one's best to avoid making mistakes while praying in future.   

But if someone wants to perform Sajda Sahw after making a mistake in any of the procedures of salaah as an additional gesture of repentence, even though they are not obligated to it as per Quraanic rules, yet it's okay.  After all, the intent is right which indicates an apology toward Allah on the basis of love and obedience towards Him.  This may not be a direct Quraanic law, but it is in accordance with the values of the Quraan that highlight the importance of a believer's respect and devotion toward Allah Almighty.   

Once a sister raised another question on Sajda Sahw.  She asked, if someone mistakenly makes more prostrations than required, why should it be considered a mistake since prostration before Allah is such a great act of piety that it can never be wasted.  Indeed, it's true that no amount of extra or nafl prostrations nor any act of worship of Allah Almighty can ever be wasted.  But to make that worship valid, it's necessary to harbor an intent or niyyah of what one is doing.  Therefore, no matter how many extra rakahs of salaah we offer, it must be preceded with an intent of doing so.   Having said that, if we make an extra prostration without the intent of performing it but by mistake or through forgetfulness, then I don't think that additional prostration (or prostrations) can be considered an act of worship.  It would be more correctly described as an act of absent-mindedness because the intent was forgetfulness, not worship.  In other words, that extra prostration was not made intentionally or purposely, but it was an act of mistake because the person was not concentrating on prayers.  Thus, they can either ask forgivness of Allah verbally after finishing salaah, or perform Sajda-e-Sahw as a gesture of apology and forgivness for offering their salaah with a wandering mind.   

With all the divisions and sectarianisms introduced in Islam by many so-called scholars, spiritualists and clergy, Sajda Sahw carries different views and can be performed at two different times during salaah, in case a mistake is made during its procedure.   

-  According to the Sunni Hanafi madhab, in case of a mistake in prayers, Sajda Sahw is performed after tashahud of final rakah, soon after saying salaam on the right side, then performing 2 sajdas, and then repeating the tashahud and completing the prayer the usual way.   

-  As per the Shafi madhab, some say that in case of a mistake during prayers, Sajda Sahw is to be performed after the right and left salaams, while others say that two prostrations can also be performed soon after finishing the prayer.   

There are other individuals (mostly Sunnis) who say that Sajda Sahw is only permissible if mistake is made in Wajib prayers.  But in case of a mistake while offering Fard prayers,  Sajda Sahw is not enough to validate the prayer and instead the prayer must be repeated.  There may well be other similar man-made rules on Sajda Sahw which I'm not aware of.   

However .. such differences in all topics are common among people.  At the end of the day, it's important to remember that whichever prayer one is offering, Fard, Sunnah, Wajib or Nafl, if a mistake is made in the procedure of salaah, one can either offer Sajda Sahw in any one of the methods stated above.  Or one can simply repent in mind after the prayers and try to be more mindful in future. 

It is no doubt essential that during prayers, everyone, even a pre-occupied person, must try their best to be as attentive as possible. 
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2009, 12:05:30 am »

That was informative.  I knew of Sajdai-Sahu because I do sometimes perform it.  I'm not saying I'm unmindful while offering salaah, not at all.  Just sometimes when there's something to worry about much I may get a bit distracted and at such times, like, I may forget a prostration or may miss a rakah.  Sometimes I may even perform an extra rakah by mistake.  It happens once in a while but I can't say that it doesn't happen at all.  So I do Sajda-i-Sahu.  I perform it the Hanafi way .. not because I'm a Hanafi follower.  I'm just a "Muslim."  I'm not into sects.  But that Hanafi way is most commonly accepted.  And sister Zeynab is right.  Even if one doesn't perform Sajda-i-Sahu, but sincerely repents for the sincerely, I think it's okay.  And only Allah knows best.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 04:09:25 am »

Thanks a lot sister Zeynab.  Yes, indeed, a very informative piece. 

Just to understand Sajda-e-Sahw better.  It comprises of performing salam once on the right and then going down for sajood twice.  I'm asking this question because we need to know the significance & meaning of every gesture we perform involving our worship to Allah.  Now, in this case of Sajda-e-sahw which is an expression of our apology to Allah for making a mistake during salaat, I understand the 2 extra sajoods.  This is a very understandable, humble and good gesture of apology.  But the purpose of performing one salam prior to the sajood is something I can't grasp.  Would anyone know what's the exact purpose of this.  Salaam on both sides is done at the end of regular salaat as gesture of respect to the recording angels who record our deeds at the command of Allah.  So, why perform salaam now, and that too only on right side as per the shafi theory?
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2011, 03:31:36 am »

O brother!  Sajda-e-sahu has tons of laws, all made by the muftis and molanas who claim they are from the "faculty of speciality of Hadith sciences" ..... lol  Grin   Sajda-e-sahu either originates from some fatwa which then split into various versions, or it's from some ahadith that's been further changed by the fatwa givers.   
 
You are right.  Performing sajood as a gesture of apology (in case of a mistake during prayers) is a good practice though not compulsory.  What's compulsory is to repent at heart & mind.  But I too don't understand the sense behind why the sahu fatwa or hadith demands performing salam as well .. and especially the shafi practice of just one salam.  No idea what it might mean.  Many of the practices passed thru fatwas by the mullahs have no meanings. I suppose this bit on salam is one of those.

Maybe, I guess, the single salam on the right side only is a symbol that the salaat has not ended and needs to continue in order to express the apology.  I repeat, this is what I presume but not sure.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2012, 05:58:55 am »

hmmm why ulmas always in between Allah and man? why different confusing conditions DO,this, that ?  right, left ? can't we ask forgiveness direct in sajda ? Why bound to follow hadith instruction ?

btw do anyone know which hadith claim that prophet (pbuh) performed Prostration of Forgetfulness ??
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 01:16:27 am »

The ulemas think they will preside on the Day of Judgment so they keep making their own laws.  They have made this simple issue of 2 extra sajoods so complicated.   

If I make a mistake while offering salat, I continue to finish my salat.  At the end after tashahud, darood and salam, I simply perform 2 more sajoods as a gesture of apology to Allah for my forgetfulness.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 01:04:28 pm »

 Ahh  Ulma's , Ulma's  THE creatures in between human and angles Cheesy they are responsible for hadith culture  Angry Allah will strictly deal with these lawmakers and with their blind followers too.

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2012, 07:52:03 am »

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I was looking for here we go i have got this hadith see guys .


(71) Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet offered one of the evening prayers (the sub-narrator Muhammad said, "I think that it was most probably the 'Asr prayer") and he finished it after offering two Rakat only. He then stood near a price of wood in front of the Mosque and put his hand over it. Abu Bakr and 'Umar were amongst those who were present, but they dared not talk to him about that (because of excessive respect for him), and those who were in a hurry went out. They said, "Has the prayer been reduced?" A man who was called DhulYadain by the Prophet said (to the Prophet), "Has the prayer been reduced or have you forgotten?" He said, "Neither have I forgotten, nor has the prayer been reduced." He said, "Certainly you have forgotten." So the Prophet offered two more Rakat and performed Tashm and then said Takbir and performed a prostration of Sahu like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer and then raised his head and said Takbir and then put his head down and performed a prostration like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer, and then raised his head and said Takbir.  (Book #22, Hadith #321)

Hadith 2:318
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The Prophet led us in the 'Asr or the Zuhr prayer and finished it with Taslim. Dhul-Yadain said to him, "O Allah's Apostle! Has the prayer been reduced?" The Prophet asked his companions in the affirmative. So Allah's Apostle I offered two more Rakat and then performed two prostrations (of Sahu). Sad said, "I saw that 'Ursa bin Az-Zubair had offered two Rakat in the Maghrib prayer and finished it with Taslim. He then talked (and when he was informed about it) he completed the rest of his prayer and performed two prostrations, and said, 'The Prophet prayed like this.'



This corrupt hadith is Not sahi  as usual it's  Contradict with  Quran verse which are testifies the  infallibility of prophet Muhammad  (pbuh) ..

Prophet (pbuh)  is infallible and cannot forget prayer .Prophet  was guided and protected by Allah .

Surah  al-Najm 53: 2 to 5

Your comrade erreth not, nor is deceived .53:2

Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire.53:3

It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired,53:4

Which one of mighty powers hath taught him,53:5 ..


Naudhubillah.this hadith made mock and putting serious charge ..on prophet Muhammad (Pbuh)

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forgetting prayer means shaitan was able to trick prophet (which is not possible) Or Abu huraira try to say that prophet Muhammad did not concentrate in his Salah ????


Rest of hadith's u can see here on



Forgetfulness in Prayer

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This is book 22 of Sahih al-Bukhari, containing 14 hadith.

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/22

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2012, 07:14:40 pm »

Yeah, these hadiths are total crap .. all nonsense.   The actual point is that we have no proof if the number of fard rakats during the Prophet's time were the same as we offer today.  Only Allah knows best.  But in my opinion at that time the method of prayer was not as rigid as it is today.   In those days there was no Hadith which is today responsible for changing many things including the method of prayer.  Back then the people followed only what the Prophet instructed them through the Quran.   The important rules on salat as the Quran highlights are sajood, ruku, recitation of Fatiha and whatever verses of the Quran one could remember by memory .. most importantly the prayer must be directed to Allah only.  As long as these rules are remembered & followed, the other issues like number of rakats, number of sajoods & rukus can differ from person to person and it probably did in early times.  

As for forgetting, well, I wouldn't say forgetting necessarily means Shaitaan coming in between.  Forgetting is something natural of human nature, it happens once in a while with everyone for various reasons.  Whether or not the Prophet (pbuh) ever forgot anything is known to Allah only.  Such information narrated 30 or 40 years later by strangers then compiled 150 years later by other strangers cannot be taken as an authentic source at all. Moreover, as I said, even if the Prophet (pbuh) did forget some little thing once in a while in his daily life, that's not a sin.  After all he was human.  Any mistake that is unintentional is not the same as an intentional violation.  Such Hadiths especially the ones of Abu Huraira are meant only to insult the Prophet (pbuh).  

Of course, the Prophet (pbuh) never forgot anything during the Revelations of the Quran, because during Divine Revelations Allah was directly in control and He made the Prophet read and recite His Revelations correctly without a single mistake.   
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