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« on: January 07, 2007, 01:46:51 pm »

Assalamu alykum wa rahmatuallah wabarakatu.

Mose submitters refer to the Bukhari hadiths, and other hadiths as man made laws that are not divine or even of holy nature, although its a  set of recording of the prophets footsteps (after his death) etc...  ( some claim they are fabricated or whatever, thats not the point here)

My queston is that woudent Allah swt correct The rasool in his time if he ever made a mistake? Would the prophet do things that wrong? woudent Allah correct him if he ever made a mistake?


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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2007, 07:57:15 pm »

Assalamu alaikum.

The Qur'an fully agrees that the Prophet was a human being and can make mistakes. It does so by acknowledging two such accounts of the Prophet:

"O you prophet, why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful." [Qur’an 66:1]

"He frowned and turned away. When the blind one came to him. And what makes you know, perhaps he is seeking to purify? Or to remember, so the remembrance will benefit him? As for the one who was rich. You were addressing yourself to him. And why does it concern you that he does not want to purify? And as for the one who came to you seeking. While he was fearful. You were too pre-occupied for him." [Qur'an 80:1-10]


The above two verse proves that the Prophet made HUMAN ERRORS. Now, just because the Qur'an has identified two human errors of the Prophet does not mean he did not make more human errors that are not identified in the Qur'an. The Qur'an does not have to always correct the Prophet human errors because the Prophet was a human.

When the Qur'an says the following:

“Indeed, in the messenger of God a good example (uswatun hasanah) has been set for you for he who seeks God and the Last Day and thinks constantly about God.” [Qur’an 33:21]

The good example of the Prophet is his taqwa, his mindfulness of Allah, his steadfastness and constant in seeking forgiveness of Allah and NOT in such things as what toothbrush he used, what clothes he wore, or what socks he wore - further it gives no authorisation to books of Bukhari, Muslim, Thirmidhi, nor the Shia compilations - all claimed to be authentic.

“Indeed, there is for you an good example <uswatun husnatun> in Ibrahim and those with him…” (60:4)

The above we see the same expression has been used to refer to the Prophet Ibrahim. And he is an example FOR US. Now, do we need to look at Ibrahim's Hadith? No, Prophet Ibrahim's example are all contained in the Qur'an, and we need not look elsewhere for this example. The exact same is applicable for Muhammad. We need not look anywhere outside the Qur'an to find the 'good example' of the Prophet Muhammad.

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2007, 01:19:14 am »

Assalamu alykum wa rahmatuallah wabarakatu.

Mose submitters refer to the Bukhari hadiths, and other hadiths as man made laws that are not divine or even of holy nature, although its a  set of recording of the prophets footsteps (after his death) etc...  ( some claim they are fabricated or whatever, thats not the point here)

My queston is that woudent Allah swt correct The rasool in his time if he ever made a mistake? Would the prophet do things that wrong? woudent Allah correct him if he ever made a mistake?


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Well .. with regard to the Hadeeth, I would say, it wouldn't be necessary for Allah to correct the rasool.  Sure, the rasool made certain mistakes for after all he was human, and the Quraan corrected him each time he made those mistakes.  But considering the bizarre nature of many hadeeth narrations and their incompatibility with the Quraan, the rasool  never said such things in the first place.  So, I don't think there would be any question of Allah correcting the rasool on those thousands and thousands of unworthy writings penned by the clergy of later times and attributed to the Prophet (pbuh).  It's as simple as that ..
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2007, 01:39:34 am »

Assalamu alaikum.

When the Qur'an says the following:

“Indeed, in the messenger of God a good example (uswatun hasanah) has been set for you for he who seeks God and the Last Day and thinks constantly about God.” [Qur’an 33:21]

The good example of the Prophet is his taqwa, his mindfulness of Allah, his steadfastness and constant in seeking forgiveness of Allah and NOT in such things as what toothbrush he used, what clothes he wore, or what socks he wore - further it gives no authorisation to books of Bukhari, Muslim, Thirmidhi, nor the Shia compilations - all claimed to be authentic.

“Indeed, there is for you an good example <uswatun husnatun> in Ibrahim and those with him…” (60:4)

The above we see the same expression has been used to refer to the Prophet Ibrahim. And he is an example FOR US. Now, do we need to look at how Ibrahim's hadith? No, Prophet Ibrahim's example are all contained in the Qur'an, and we need not look elsewhere for this example. The exact same is applicable for Muhammad. We need not look anywhere outside the Qur'an to find the 'good example' of the Prophet Muhammad.



Superbly put Aceofhearts .. i really couldn't agree more.

i've come acorss many hadith followers who have quoted this verse time and again to justify the culture of hadith.  but their insight is so shallow that they've never thought of the Prophet's (SAW) taqwa.  instead they've only been focused on the irrelevant issues of everyday life. 

Thanks again for this very articulate clarification.

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 11:09:47 pm »

Assalamu alaikum

Not a problem, I am glad we agree on this matter. Smiley

May Allah guide us to the true knowledge of Al-Qur'an.

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