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Does this Verse of Surah Al-Hijr condemn fortune telling & astrology?

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« on: February 06, 2010, 03:17:06 am »

BismAllah ..

"And verily in the heaven We have set mansions of the stars, and We have beautified it for beholders.  And We have guarded it from every outcast devil,   Save him who steals the hearing, and them does a clear flame pursue."   15:16-18   Surah Al-Hijr

Please, I will really appreciate some tafsirs regarding the above verse.  JazekAllah khair.


 
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 03:37:44 am »

Yes, in this Verse the Noble Quran very rightly condemns practices like fortune telling, astrology etc.  The reference here is to those practices. 

One of the most frequent activities associated with the Jinn, is fortune telling.  Before the advent of the Prophet (SAAW) fortune-tellers and soothsayers (those who claim to predict future) were wide spread. These people would use their associates from the jinn to find out about the future. The jinn would go to the lowest heaven and listen to the angels conversing amongst themselves about events of the future which the angels would know from Allah, because Allah orders the angels to carry out His commandments. The jinn would then inform the fortune-tellers.  This is the accepted explanation of this Verse.  Then, further explaining the same Verse, upon the Prophet’s arrival the heavens were guarded intensely by the angels, and any jinn that tried to listen was attacked by "clear flame," most probably referring to meteors / shooting stars.    It's very obvious from these Verses that such activities are Haram. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 03:51:15 am »


Okay, I now understand.  Yes, the reference is apparently what you stated.

As I understand it, the practice was perhaps something like that rubbish called 'seance' where the medium claims to communicate with the spirit.  And according to this custom, the fortune tellers & soothsayers would try to communicate with the jinn.

It's evident why they are completely wrong most of the time, except those few times when they maybe right by sheer fluke.  I've also observed that even if rarely they are right, even then they are not fully right.  They might be right in bits and parts .. that too very seldom which is exactly how guesses work.  Men like Nostradamus are an example, as very few of his predictions were correct whilst the bulk of them were completely wrong. Unfortunately, the amount of fortune telling which occurs among Muslims is also increasing.  A friend of my husband was saying that this practice is especially very common in Morocco.  Though they call themselves Muslims yet they don't bother to understand how sternly Allah has forbidden such games.

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 04:00:21 am »



As I understand it, the practice was perhaps something like that rubbish called 'seance' where the medium claims to communicate with the spirit.  And according to this custom, the fortune tellers & soothsayers would try to communicate with the jinn.

Yes, I think one could compare these two practices as similar nonsense.



It's clear from this as to how fortune-tellers sometimes get portions of few predictions correct. It's also evident why they are completely wrong most of the time.  I've observed that even if rarely they are right, even then they are not fully right.  They might be right in bits and parts .. that too very seldom.  Men like Nostradamus are an example, as very few of his predictions were correct whilst the bulk of them were completely wrong.

I agree ..


Unfortunately, the amount of fortune telling which occurs amongst  Muslims is also increasing.  A friend of my husband was saying that this practice is especially very common in Morocco.  Though they call themselves Muslims yet they don't bother to understand how sternly Allah has forbidden such games.

It's definitely a big violation.    No doubt about that.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 04:05:02 am »


One more question concerning jinn.  There's this common presumption that jinn can make themselves visible to humans by acquiring the form of humans.  and as u would know, there are so many paranormal stories in this regard.  What's your opinion?  do u think jinn an change their appearance?
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 04:19:03 am »



Frankly, only Allah knows best.   It's also possible that most people make such stories because jinn are elemental spirits so humans presume that jinn can perform transformations on themselves.  And many of these stories come from Hadith.  But the important thing is that the Noble Quran does not confirm this.  I don't recall any verse where Allah says about jinn changing their appearance and becoming exactly like humans.   I do know for sure that angels can change their outward appearance and acquire the form of humans.  This is confirmed in the Quran.  For example, the Quran says about Prophet Abraham's honored guests.  I'm not sure which Surah, I think it's in Surah Al-Baqrah, where Allah says that Abraham's honored guests came to give him the good news of the birth of a son in his old age .. birth of Issac, I would think.  And Abraham entertained them by getting food for them but they didn't eat and Abraham became nervous as he felt something out of the ordinary regarding them.  And then the angels themselves said who they were and that Allah had sent them.  So, angels can definitely change their form, with the permission of Allah, obvioulsy.  But I'm not sure if Allah has given the jinn the capability to do this.  Your question is interesting but as Quran followers we cannot confirm it.  Only Allah Almigty would know best.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 04:23:50 am »

Thanks much dear sis.  your explanation and opinion were very helpful.  may Allah (Subhanu Wa'Taala) bless u.  JazekAllah khair.  hope u r fine Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 04:26:19 am »

You're most welcomed sister.  Alhamdulilah, I'm fine.  InshAllah hope the same for you and yr family Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 04:07:08 am »


Actually this was a common pasttime for astrologers before the birth of the Prophet (SAWS) and during the time of the Prophet, these gossipy jinn were not tolerated anymore by Allah Almigty.  And Allah knows best.

It's presumed jinn can change their shape & form but if you think of it, there are many more paranormal reports where inexplicable things happen invisibly. 

Regarding the ace liars - the astrologers and soothsayers - they ought to be given a spanking.  I dislike them.  They officially earn a living through lying.  Disgraceful.  And you know what?  Most of these damned celebrities have their own astrologers who feed them with one crazy lie after another for millions of dollars.  Most laughable were the predictions on late Diana's future on August 14 (probably 1996 because it seems that during the time of this prediction Diana did not know her loafer-rich boyfriend, Dodi).  A group of astrologers  had their shitty predictions published in that smelly gossip magazine named Mirror.    Not one thing came to be true.
 
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 04:18:55 am »



Yes right, i have also heard about this.


I think if anyone can take the cake from Bukhari & co., it's these astrologers particularly the ones working for celebrities.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2010, 05:09:37 am »



..... and what's still more surprising is that they are never held accountable for talking such rubbish. 

Of course, they'll be accountable in the next world. 
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