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« on: February 22, 2010, 03:50:39 am »



Recently, someone at one of the Sunni forums brought up this query. The person asked that since wudu gets "void if one passes wind .. therefore if it wasn't for Hadith, how would we know, because the Quran says nothing about it?"

Here's what the Hadith says on this issue, narrated by none but Abu Hurairah.

"Allah does not accept the prayer of a person who has released gas until he makes a new ablution." A person from Hadhramaut asked Abu Hurairah, "What does releasing gas mean?" He answered, "Wind with or without sound." (Bukhari and Muslim)

Another one ..

"If one of you finds a disturbance in his abdomen and is not certain if he has released any gas or not, he should not leave the mosque unless he hears its sound or smells its scent." (Muslim)

Aren't these comical!?  Anyhow ..

It's more than a little surprising how much the Hadith followers take every bit of information given in this unreliable man-written work as 'confirmed truth' when it's not even remotely confirmed, not even hinted upon, in the Noble Quran.

To consider that passing of wind invalidates the wudu (ablution) is a guesswork ingrained in the minds of our brethren through the irrational narrations of Hadith which make no sense and have no logic.

Instead of blindly following the guesswork of Bukhari and his likes, let us use our common sense and think. Why does Allah not mention that passing wind would break wudu? There must be some reason for it because Allah does NOT forget anything.

"And never is your Rab forgetful -"  (19:64)  Surah Maryam.

"My Rab neither errs nor forgets,"   (20:52)  Surah Ta Ha.

According to the Noble Quran, wudu is invalidated only if a person is physically polluted or dirty which includes the pollution of the body after sexual intercourse. But the Noble Quran does NOT say that merely passing wind makes the wudu ineffective.

The reason is: Wind is not something tangible nor perceptible by the sense of touch. It is abstract. Even if it smells bad and is a gesture of bad manners in public, the fact is that wind is not the type of dirt that makes people physically dirty or polluted. Wind is simply gaseous matter which gets diffused in the atmosphere through the clothing. It does not make a person dirty like other impurities such as mud, sweat, filthy water, excrement, urine, vomit etc. Of course, this does not imply that we must ignore our etiquette, become crude and toot freely in public just for the heck of it. But the truth of the matter remains that passing wind has no effect on the wudu.  Not to mention, abdominal gas contains harmless gases released from the food we eat which have been confirmed to neither pollute the body nor the environment.  In other words, though abdominal gas makes its way through the colon while exiting the body, it has NO bearing on physical hygiene.  You can get every bit of professional detail on flatulence in this site from a medical expert.

Also, let's not forget, passing wind is a part of fitrah (nature) and there are many people (especially the elderly) who are unable to control it for medical reasons. They are specifically advised by their doctors not to withhold it because it could cause severe stomach/abdominal discomfort and a feeling of unwellness.  Now, just think of it this way .. if someone has a natural or medical problem controlling wind, he/she performs their wudu and steps out of the washroom. Minutes later they feel a natural urge to pass wind, suppressing which would cause them severe discomfort/gastric pain.  Will that single passage of wind make them physically dirty and require a second ablution? The answer is definitely NO.

Thus, it's because of the above reasons why Allah does not include passing of wind as a factor that invalidates the wudu .. because Allah is kind, considerate and reasonable and has not placed any hardships in religion for us as confirmed in the Noble Quran.  But it is we who make our religion hard by ignoring the limits of Allah and following the thoughtless instructions of our so-called spiritual leaders, imams, sheikhs and ulemas, many of whom have merrily said goodbye to their common sense despite calling themselves experts on the much talked about "hadith methodology" and "science of hadith" .... empty bombastic expressions commonly used for duping the naive.

People who ask "if it wasn't for Hadith, how would we know, because the Quran says nothing about it?"  are so immersed in phony traditions that they cannot even perceive the blatant discrepancy of their own query which they foolishly state in the reverse order, also disrespecting the Noble Quran in the process.  The appropriate question is:  IF THE QURAN SAYS NOTHING ABOUT SOMETHING, WHY SHOULD THE HADITH PROHIBIT IT? 

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 01:47:28 am »



Absolutely right sister.  I recall we had an interesting (as well as humorous) discussion on this once in the past when i had put up a false hadith on beard.

A person from Hadhramaut asked Abu Hurairah, "What does releasing gas mean?" He answered, "Wind with or without sound." (Bukhari and Muslim)
 
"If one of you finds a disturbance in his abdomen and is not certain if he has released any gas or not, he should not leave the mosque unless he hears its sound or smells its scent."  (Muslim)


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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 02:12:49 am »


Cheesy  "smells its SCENT" ????  Refreshing fragrance or aroma are alluded to as "scent."  If fart gives  off "scent" then all the more reason not to condemn it.  However, even if it's a bad "scent" it isn't tangible filth.

Thanks sisters.  This aspect is one of the most ridiculous embraced by our Hadithist brothers and sisters.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 10:45:50 am »

 Subhanallah...passing wind (farting), definately invalidates ablution..wudu... all fiqh books from the Risalah, Ashmawi and Askar mentioned this with reliable authority. And above all Muslim and Bukhari brought this in their sahih. The arguement that the Quran did not invalidate this does not hold at all.....the Quran did not specify how many raka'ats we are to pray in each of the 5 daily prayers prescribed, it was he to whom the Quran was inspired, Sallallahu alihi Wasallam, who showed us how to pray and how many raka'ats--and it shall stay as he taught till the Last day....again, the Quran did not show you the minute calculations as to the amount/quantity of Zakkat to be paid/given to whom it is due...this was specified by the Prophet, Sallallahu alaihi Wasallama...the same one who said that farting/passing wind breaks the wudu.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 11:32:01 am »

As-salaam Alaikum.  We only recognize the Noble Quran as our source of law and Standard (Furqan) for judging right or wrong, not the Hadith nor fiqh or any other man-written literature which primarily ensue from Hadith. 

And yes, you are absolutely right that it was our Prophet Muhammad (SAAW) who taught us how to pray, not Bukhari & co.  The reason why the method of Salaat is not mentioned in the Quran has already been discussed.  Also, the issues of zakah, sawm and hajj have been looked into, the links of which are given at the end of the Salaat post.  Please check it to be aware of our view point, even though I know you would not agree with it.  I'm referring to it only to inform you on our views.

So, I will simply have to let go your comments because it's pretty redundant as far as we are concerned.  Such queries have been put to us many times in the past and responded to by me or one of my colleagues.  We don't have the time to repeat the same response again and again.  I can only refer you to our former posts. 

Also, for this reason, before starting to comment, kindly check our introduction at About us.   And according to our rules for those who desire to post, I will appreciate if you put up a brief introduction of yourself and how you were directed to this site. 


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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2010, 09:10:54 am »

.. passing wind (farting), definately invalidates ablution..wudu... all fiqh books from the Risalah, Ashmawi and Askar mentioned this with reliable authority.

This means that the "reliable authority" (whatever that is) gave the green light to these fiqh books, only caring for its own fictional authority and not the authority of the Noble Quran. 

The arguement that the Quran did not invalidate this does not hold at all.....

La Hawl wala Quwat ila Billa ..

Thus, you acknowledge that your fiqh books have the power to overrule the Noble Quran, even though Allah (Subhana Wa'Taala) categorically and repeatedly states that the Quran is the only Criterion (Furqan) for believers.

"Blessed is He Who hath revealed unto His slave the Criterion (of right and wrong), that he may be a warner to the peoples."  25:1

"So judge between them by that which Allah has revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which has come unto you."  5:48

Allah Almighty is sufficient to deal with your type of arrogance which is quite widespread in our present Ummah.  This is exactly how the Jews and Christians demoted their Divine Scripture.  If Allah (The Most High) had not promised to protect the Noble Quran in a "Guarded Tablet" (Lawh-i-Mahfuz), the Muslims would have done the same thing with it as the Jews & Christians did with the Torah and Bible.  But InshAllah, the Noble Quran will stay original and intact till the Day of Judgment, and on that Day it will be a witness against those who ignored it as the Criterion. 

You mentioned that "the arguement that the Quran did not invalidate this does not hold at all....."   I'm sure there are many 'Muslims' who would agree with you.   And on the Day of Resurrection the beloved Prophet (SAW) will himself be a witness against all of you for making light of the Quran.  Allah has already stated this which is one of the remarkable prophecies of the Noble Quran. 

"And the messenger saith: O my Lord!  Lo! mine own folk make this Qur'an of no account."  25:30

it was he to whom the Quran was inspired, Sallallahu alihi Wasallam, who showed us how to pray and how many raka'ats--and it shall stay as he taught till the Last day....again, the Quran did not show you the minute calculations as to the amount/quantity of Zakkat to be paid/given to whom it is due...this was specified by the Prophet, Sallallahu alaihi Wasallama...the same one who said that farting/passing wind breaks the wudu.

Indeed  the Quran was inspired to the Prophet (SAW), and the Prophet strictly observed the dictates of the Quran.  The Prophet (SAW) followed only the Quran, NOT Bukhari & Co. 

And yes indeed, the Prophet taught us how to offer salat and that came down as an unwritten tradition.   Thus, the Hadith gets no credit for teaching prayers because it was an ongoing process that began 150 years before Bukhari was born.   

As for Zakah, the Prophet (SAW) did not fix its amount because Zakah is not a municipal tax.  It's a spiritual tax and everyone is expected to pay in accordance with their financial status & abilities.  For this reason the Quran has kept the amount open so that everyone can pay whatever they can afford and no one is over-burdened.  The calculation for the amount of Zakah comes from the imams and so-called "sahabahs" much after the passing away of the beloved Prophet (SAW).

And of course, it goes without saying, the Prophet (SAW), who was the final Messenger of Allah and also the first head of the Muslim state, was a very intelligent and busy man, Alhumdulilah.  He certainly did not have the time to discuss about farting.  The tale of farting breaking the wudu was the brainchild of idle minds like Mr. Huraira and Bukhari to dupe and harass the naive faithfuls for the purpose of making their own concocted rules and turning people away from the Quran.   
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 05:17:27 am »

The arguement that the Quran did not invalidate this does not hold at all.....

Ya Allah!  I'm speechless.  This is clear blasphemy.  You are rejecting the top-most authority of the Quran by ignoring the commandment of Allah.  May Allah (The Most High) guide you. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2010, 05:41:09 am »

Right on, br. TS.  It is blasphemy.  There can be no other word to describe such a statement.  Unfortunately this isn't the first time I've come across it from staunch Haithists.   Thus, the true believers who have surrendered to Allah alone, are surrounded with opposition by people at various levels.  Starting with the idolaters, polytheists and various cult members who are the No.1 enemies of Allah, then come the Jews and Chrisitians who have changed the Message of Allah and are following their own whims.  And finally, among the Ummah itself there are so many people who have acquired the title of "Muslim" yet say such things about the pure & original Message of Allah because they prefer the man-written literature of their imams and ulemas.  

(23:97) وَقُلْ رَبِّ أَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنْ هَمَزَاتِ الشَّيَاطِينِ
"And say: My Rab! I seek refuge in YOU from suggestions of the evil ones,"
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2011, 02:12:44 am »

The reason why the Quran does not say that passing wind invalidates the wudu or ablution is because Allah Almighty knows the reality of matters which we don't.  Passing wind is the same as burping or belching.  The only difference is that wind or fart is let off from intestines through the rectum while burp or belch is through the opposite direction upward, through the mouth.  But both are the same things having the same cause, i.e. excess of gas in the stomach.  Although burping is also considered bad manners (though not as crude as farting), yet usually one avoids burping in public, similar to farting.  However, that's a different matter. The question is, even if you burp or belch in the privacy of your home, do you need to do your wudu again after that?  Surely not.  That's because burping may sound crude but it doesn't dirty nor pollute the body.  Gases coming out from both sides of the human body are abstract that do not contain any physial dirt.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2011, 06:50:39 am »

Agree sister Ruhi.  Burping and flatulence are exactly the same, except that one is from the back while other is from the mouth, respectively.  Burping doesn't invalidate the wudu, so picking on flatulence as a 'villain' makes no sense. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2011, 01:57:20 am »



Yes, this is another very correct point.  Burping is also intestinal wind that neither sounds nor smells nice but doesn't cause us to get physically dirty.  And because it comes from the mouth so Bukhari forgot to write a similar hadith on it as he did on farting.  Bukhari definitely discriminated the poor fart very much simply because it buzzes off the stomach from the other end.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2011, 03:55:15 am »

Bukhari definitely discriminated the poor fart very much simply because it buzzes off the stomach from the other end.

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2012, 08:43:54 am »

lol too much ..  very good information sis thanks
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2019, 09:05:29 pm »



The other baloney-ism in the minds of some morons claims that not only does fart invalidate wudu, but even if you keep it for longer than 10 seconds, wudu is ruined.  Here someone asks "does holding fart for 10 seconds or more break wudu?"   At least the person answering this silly question had the sense to say no.    Someone else put some frills on it, quote "the longer you hold it the bigger it will be."   LOL  .. indeed true.  So, when you break the wudu after holding it, you break it with a big fart.    But the wudu still does not break ...... because fart won't break it.


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