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« on: October 09, 2011, 11:31:13 am »

Salaams folks. 
I've heard of this man and read a bit of him as a Hadith critic.  That made me interested to learn more of his critisizms on this nefarious literature.  Would anyone have some info on his works?
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 12:52:44 pm »

Wa'salaam sister Ruhi.  Yes, I've heard of this man.  He is from Pakistan, retired, in his early or mid 60s and presently living in Florida, US.  He was a medical doctor with the Pak Army and also served in the Medical Corps of the Saudi Army in early 1970s .. don't know how he landed there.   It's said that during his stay in Saudi Arabia he learned Arabic of the Quraish dialect with the help and patronage of the then Saudi king, Faisal, and his brother, Khalid.  I also don't know how a Pakistan army officer serving in Saudi Arabia got so close to the king and his brother, especially considering the notorious arrogance of the Sauds.  Anyhow, there could very well be an inside story to this. 

With his knowledge of Arabic, he has translated the Quran into contemporary English known as The Quran As It Explains Itself. I haven't read it but InshAllah I will some day.  It sounds very good as it doesn't depend on the Hadith for Quranic explanations, rather uses every Quranic verse to explain itself.  This surely is the right way.   

His criticism of Hadith comprises of 3 books, the most well known of which is  titled "The Criminals of Islam" referring to Bukhari & co.    I've read parts of it.  Seems okay.  But the only point on which I disagree with him is that he holds only the Hadith compilers responsible for this falsehood and exonerates the narrators.  Indeed the names of some narrators have been falsely used.  E.g. there are so-called Ahadith narrations by Aisha, Abu Bakr, Ali, Umar, Usman and some other close members of the Prophet's family and friends.  The names of these persons have definitely been used by some cheats with ulterior motives and to give leverage to the contents of such Ahadith.  But various other narrators like Abu Huraira, Saad bin Malik, Anas bin Malik, Abu Darda etc. etc. were renowned manipulators and cut-throats who have falsely acquired the title of "sahabahs" through the blind fantasy of the imams and ulemas of later times.   They have intentionally narrated many horrible stuff to the pleasure of Bukhari & co. who came later.  And many of these narrations were also frilled and spiced up by Bukhari & co.  Thus, the Hadith compilers as well as many Hadith narrators (especially those who were very young men during the lifetime of the Prophet and hardly knew the Prophet) are into this Hadith scam together.  Both are responsible for the Hadith lies.  But Dr. Shabbir absolves all narrators completely.  That's a wrong perception.  Or maybe he has adopted this stance to appease the Sunnis.  Whatever the reason, I don't agree with this view of his.

You can read his book THE CRIMINALS OF ISLAM.  He has exposed the shamelessness of  the Hadith literature very frankly.  However, I think this book was written several years ago, when such writings were uncommon.  Thus, as you can see, in the introduction readers are cautioned and told that it's meant for "open-minded"  people.  But nowadays such writings are quite common because the number of Hadith critics who have nabbed the Hadith games are quite a lot comparatively.  Our own forum is a great example, Alhumdulilah, and we never thought of cautioning the readers.  Truth is Truth, and it should be a pleasure for truth-seekers to read how the enemies of the Noble Quran and the enemies of the Prophet (pbuh) have been exposed.

Also, Dr. Shabbir Ahmed made one mistake which has been used by the Hadith lovers to label him a "liar."  There was a 13th century Persian imam named Fakhruddin Razi who (like other imams of his time) had written a lot of incorrect tafsirs of the Quran and false Ahadith.  In one of his writings Dr. Shabbir Ahmed wrote that eventually imam Razi had confessed that all his writings and the writings of other imams were bogus.    According to the Hadith lovers, Dr. Shabbir Ahmed wrote imam Razi's confession through ibn Kathir (or by quoting ibn Kathir).  Hadith fans are using this as a proof that the confession is not true because ibn Kathir was born about 100 or 150 years after imam Razi.  But in my humble opinion, Dr. Shabbir Ahmed simply made a mistake in calculating the dates or he mixed up the name of imam Razi with someone else.  Other than that, what Dr. Ahmed wrote might well be true.   In any case, his Hadith criticism which is there for us to read is definitely very true  and sensible.  He only makes a mistake by exonerating narrators like Abu Huraira. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 01:13:36 pm »

Hmmm.  Thanks brother.  Very interesting and informative.  InshAllah, I'll gradually read his book "The Criminals of Islam."  It's pretty long and I read it in bits & pieces now.  The collection of hadiths are terrible and worth exposing.  The criticism is very frank, forthright and correct.  But yes, I too don't agree with absolving the nasty narrators.  They are a party to the crime of Hadith.  No doubt about that.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 01:17:36 pm »

You are welcomed sister.


But yes, I too don't agree with absolving the nasty narrators.  They are a party to the crime of Hadith.  No doubt about that.

Yes, exactly.   So far, this is his only approach I don't agree with.
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 10:50:57 pm »

Gosh!  have u checked that link "The Criminals of Islam?" Just scroll down and start reading from "Wrongs from the 'right' Bukhari."   Gosh!  The collection of ahadith it contains are so awful.  Words can't describe my anger!  and many of them are so, so vulgar.  I knew of several vulgar hadiths but these are the worst .. pornography!  Shameful and embarrassing to the core.   If non-Muslims see this stuff, just imagine what a suitable weapon these offensive lies will provide them to attack Islam.  It's evident that these narrators and compilers were villainous scumbags who deserved to be hanged for spreading mischief.  But what shocks me is the silence and cover-ups that are practiced to nurture this shame by the Muslim jurists today.   Do the mainstream Muslims really think that people who write or compile such stuff are "special" and to venerate such folks will help them acquire Salvation?  How much the Muslims misunderstand Allah and His perfect system of justice! 

I'm really disturbed.  Such ahadith are only suitable to be written on toilet rolls.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2011, 01:14:40 am »

Yeah I read it this afternoon but couldn't reply as there was a pot on the cooker so I had to rush 

You're spot on!  Those hadiths are dirty, mean, cheeky and a bundle of products from the minds of people who were not just non-Muslims, but hostile non-Muslims who wanted to ruin the Monotheistic Faith and its spiritual & moral principles. 

These dirtbag and degenerate buggers escaped punishment in this world but where do they think they can run now?  I can only pray and pray and pray to see them writhe in pain from the scorching burns of Hellfire.  The way they have defamed and slandered the Noble Quran and the Prophet (S) through sarcasms and jokes .. it certainly requires serious lack of ethics to stoop down as low as this.
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 12:04:32 am »

I just read his book, a very eyed opening....The part which sahabah and imams quareling and hates each other, it just like today fanatic sectarian or greedy moslem politician accusing eachother kufr isn it ? they re certainly not very virtuous holy man as often depicted....
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 12:09:14 am »

That's right iwan.
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 12:20:52 am »

I just read his other book, the true-history and I disagree about he translate quran... as example, because he dont believe in jin he decide that jinn is nomad. he also seems dont believe in heavenly bird of ababil that dropping micronuclear-like firestone in al fiil and translate it in funny way.

Seems He only believe in what he can see so he translate it in other way.. remind me to mutazilite Smiley (actually I like some of mutazila methods though. just disagree with their overmaterialize way of though)... what u all think ?

For me Quran is very precise. If it says djinn than it is djinn, if it says bird dropping fiery stone I take it as it is too...

The rest pf the book still useful though so I use his books only to learn about misguiding and dangerous hadith and some understanding on Islam realhistory ....
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2012, 04:56:17 am »

well keep reading and I changed my mind... it seems he is a liar...
he said that Karbala war notreally happened... and on other books he said that it is impossible that Maria is virgin when he born prophet Isa!
just use his good collection of wrongful hadith but be very careful with the rest of his books Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2012, 01:20:49 am »

Thanks for the feedback.  If he wrote such things then he's definitely a fraud and kafir.  His book should be trashed.
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I just read his other book, the true-history and I disagree about he translate quran... as example, because he dont believe in jin he decide that jinn is nomad. he also seems dont believe in heavenly bird of ababil that dropping micronuclear-like firestone in al fiil and translate it in funny way.

Seems He only believe in what he can see so he translate it in other way.. remind me to mutazilite Smiley (actually I like some of mutazila methods though. just disagree with their overmaterialize way of though)... what u all think ?

For me Quran is very precise. If it says djinn than it is djinn, if it says bird dropping fiery stone I take it as it is too...

The rest pf the book still useful though so I use his books only to learn about misguiding and dangerous hadith and some understanding on Islam realhistory ....

well keep reading and I changed my mind... it seems he is a liar...
he said that Karbala war notreally happened... and on other books he said that it is impossible that Maria is virgin when he born prophet Isa!
just use his good collection of wrongful hadith but be very careful with the rest of his books Smiley

O really????  I never knew all this.  We here have only read a portion of his Hadith criticism, not his book.  And yes, thanks for the feedback.  I will now never waste my time reading his book.  His hadith comments are okay.  However, this is the problem with many who claim to follow the "Quran alone" but actually do not.  They use the label of the Quran to pass on their own misguided misinterpretations.  Indeed one needs to be very careful.   In fact we've repeatedly said here to be very wary of many of those who claim to be "Quran aloners" because that's just a claim.  In reality they violate the Quran just as much as a Hadithist. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2012, 10:49:19 pm »

Hummm, I didn't know all this either.  I just read part of that link I gave and some of his biography.   A few months ago I was reading his criticism on Free Minds by someone who was apparently a Hadith follower or a quasi Hadither.  He wrote a blistering and very lengthy criticism on Shabbir Ahmed.  But all his criticism was centered around one issue which was Shabbir Ahmed's claim of Imam Razi's confession involving Ibn Kathir along with other medieval imams .... and the evidence of Shabbir Ahmed's claim being a blunder lay in the fact that Imam Razi was born more than a hundred years before Ibn Kathir , so how could Imam Razi mention Ibn Kathir's name in his confession?

However, I think it's basically Dr. Shabbir Ahmed's Hadith criticism that are correct.  I'm not interested in his other views.  Also since my last comment on this thread, I read a little of his English translations of the Quran.  I wasn't too impressed with his translation either.  I always say Pickthall and Abdel Haleem are best. 
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