Message #10915

[Ruhi_Rose]

 Both Hadithists as well as Free Mind modernists have been completely unable to differentiate between hadith and history.  While the Hadithist think hadith and history are the same, the Free Minders in order to abolish the credibility of hadith, abolish history too by equating the two similarly as the hadithists do.  

u r darn right.  I observed that too.  Those guys, Layth and Wakas, are totally confused on this issue.  As a result they have discarded entire world history.  This influence has spread so rapidly at FMs that many of them even deny the existence of the Prophet Muhammed and his predecessors (peace be on them).

I had also read, I think at the Quran dot org website, that the idea of a celebration after Ramadan introduced by Bukhari & co. through the Hadith is basically a pre-Islamic idea.  In pre-Islamic societies including Europe, Middle-East, Far-East, Central Asia etc., almost all of them had this old polytheistic tradition marking the end of a religious month or a religious event with a celebration which would basically include partying with plenty of food and wine.  Of course, in good Muslim homes even if they spend a lot, it's mostly without Haram stuff like wine etc.  But what I mean is that the concept brought by Bukhari & co.  was from those old un-Islamic traditions.  

I've also read this opinion expressed by several Muslim researchers who aren't blind fans of Hadith.  

There are many examples for this.  Christmas is the most glaring one.  In pagan Europe (starting from Rome) it was called "Saturnalia" from Saturn which was a Roman pagan deity.  The event would start with the traditional worship of this pagan idol with rituals in the temples.  The celebrations would begin by 20th of December or so and continue uptil the new year which was supposed to be the feast of Saturn called "Saturnalia."   This week long closure was a time when all businesses came to a halt.  Families gathered together, had feasts with plenty of food & wine, invited friends, overindulged themselves, gave gifts, and decorated their homes with festive greenery.  And this precise celebration today is called "Christmas."  Though it omits the concept of Saturn, yet the festive customs that were observed connected to Saturn still exist in this most widely celebrated Christian occasion.  And of course, Essa (son of Maryam) was most definitely not born on December 25th.  That's one big hoax.  

Similarly all Christian holidays like Easter, Halloween etc.  originate from similar pagan religious beliefs and end up in food and fun.  And of course, there were many similar festivals that followed pagan religious events in Arabia and Persia.

TO ALL READERS, PLEASE NOTE: I'm not saying that observing Eid-al-Fitr moderately in a Halal manner is wrong.  However, it's not taken from the Noble Quran.  This idea is quite obviously borrowed from elsewhere.  The Quran simply does not mention nor hint of any  celebration after completing the 30 obligatory fasts in the month of Ramadan, and hence, it's impossible that the Prophet (SAW) would declare the first 3 days of Shawwal for feasting as an official law.