skipping Ramadan fasting must be compensated by feeding 60 peoples ??

[muslima]

many thanks sister Zeynab and sis Heba for being so supportive of me    yes sis i can't let her do this she can't claim such things in my presence SHE have to provide me Quran verse for her claim OR .she have to admit that her information based on invalid hadiths and men made fatwas .she is spreading ONLY false hadiths .(penalty of feeding 60 people for ramadan fast ) this penalty is not from Allah .Quran dose NOT referred this penalty for ramadan fast ..
i am really surprise of her fearless behaviour how can someone lie against Allah. how can we forget that.we are answerable to Allah  for every single word. i hope she realize the truth

[muslima]

i have found one hadith ..
Sahih Muslim :: Book# 6 :: Hadith# 2461

Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman reported that Abu Huraira had narrated to him that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanded the person (who) broke the fast in Ramadan to free a slave or observe fasts for two (consecutive) months or feed sixty poor persons.

Oh!  lol    .. good investigation sister Muslima     No doubt this is the source for the misinterpretation.  Now I think that lady imam was not confused.  She took her information of feeding 60 people from this hadith.  Well you see that?     The imams don't remember what the Quran says but they do 'religiously' remember what the hadith says. 

yeah she is simply hadith follower and she have no right to missguide anyone to make any false claim about Quran .

[muslima]

Very interesting discussion sisters.  This is one example of how our imams make simple matters complicated.   Verse 2:184 is so clear.  Yet the clerics stray off and adhere to their own whims.

i have found one hadith ..
Sahih Muslim :: Book# 6 :: Hadith# 2461

Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman reported that Abu Huraira had narrated to him that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanded the person (who) broke the fast in Ramadan to free a slave or observe fasts for two (consecutive) months or feed sixty poor persons.

I am also sure this was the lady imam's source of info for feeding "60" people.  Even if you show her Verse 2:184, she will discreetly reject it and insist on this hadith being the law.  This is also another example that Bukhari and his student Muslim bin Hajaj and all other hadith compilers never read the Quran properly .. some didn't read it at all.  They apparently never even knew that the Quran has already given its verdict on this law that for every single fast a healthy person misses, they must either make up for it by fasting on some other month or feed a needy person.  So clear as that.  Now think of it this way .... after Allah Almighty confirms a certain law in the Quran, would the Prophet (pbuh) ever overrule it and make his own law?  NEVER.  This is the biggest proof of this hadith being a phoney one and utterly unauthentic.  Obviously Mr. Muslim bin Hajaj had never read the Quran and was thus he had no idea about the contents of Verses 2:183-185.   

u are absolutely right they never read Quran

[muslima]

Very interesting discussion sisters.  This is one example of how our imams make simple matters complicated.   Verse 2:184 is so clear.  Yet the clerics stray off and adhere to their own whims.

i have found one hadith ..
Sahih Muslim :: Book# 6 :: Hadith# 2461

Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman reported that Abu Huraira had narrated to him that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanded the person (who) broke the fast in Ramadan to free a slave or observe fasts for two (consecutive) months or feed sixty poor persons.

I am also sure this was the lady imam's source of info for feeding "60" people.  Even if you show her Verse 2:184, she will discreetly reject it and insist on this hadith being the law.  This is also another example that Bukhari and his student Muslim bin Hajaj and all other hadith compilers never read the Quran properly .. some didn't read it at all.  They apparently never even knew that the Quran has already given its verdict on this law that for every single fast a healthy person misses, they must either make up for it by fasting on some other month or feed a needy person.  So clear as that.  Now think of it this way .... after Allah Almighty confirms a certain law in the Quran, would the Prophet (pbuh) ever overrule it and make his own law?  NEVER.  This is the biggest proof of this hadith being a phoney one and utterly unauthentic.  Obviously Mr. Muslim bin Hajaj had never read the Quran and was thus he had no idea about the contents of Verses 2:183-185.   

u are absolutely right  these hadith writters .they never read Quran no concern of the law and order of Quran no fear of Allah  muslims are following imams based ISLAM 

[Ruhi_Rose]

Well done sister Muslima    Very interesting interaction.  Hadithers always do this.  They remember what the Hadith says very clearly.  But their minds are blank concerning the information in the Quran. 

[Ruhi_Rose]

Most people I know complain that they end up gaining weight in Ramadan.  In most Muslim homes, there's a feast every evening on the dinner table. Binge eating usually goes on periodically upto Fajr time.  And when people are fasting, they also cut down on workouts or avoid it altogether.  Thus, they often eat more than they can burn.  Going without food for long hours may sometimes cause the stomach to shrink but only if it's a prolonged habit for some years.  Ramadan is just for one month.  Unless one is suffering from some chronic problem such as kidney ailment, diabetes, high blood pressure etc. and needs to be on medication throughout the day, fasting has never been associated with hurting the health.  On the contrary its benefits are more, in that, it does definitely help to cleanse the system for a change.  

So true sister.  And most importantly there's the spiritual aspect .. the goal of Ramadan being to promote perseverance and a strong will-power along with the realization of the plight of the poor and homeless.  Of course, when we're fasting we know that in the evening we'll get something to eat in our kitchens.  But a very poor person eats a meal and then he often has no idea when he will get his next meal.  Ramadan is the best way to create that awareness.  We realize the pain and discomfort of others best if we put ourselves in their shoes even if it's for a few hours.  Every command of Allah has a useful purpose behind it. 

[muslima]

Well done sister Muslima    Very interesting interaction.  Hadithers always do this.  They remember what the Hadith says very clearly.  But their minds are blank concerning the information in the Quran. 

thanks sis ruhi   i am really feel very sad for those sister whose totally brain washed ,why they never ask for any Quranic evidence ?? why we don't bother to search by own ??.why blindly trust on such imams ?? whats make these imams so impresive to them ??? bunch of hadiths ??,they justify their lies with thousands of tales and stories ?? thats It .
is it enough for the believer ??

[Zainab_M]

..... And most importantly there's the spiritual aspect .. the goal of Ramadan being to promote perseverance and a strong will-power along with the realization of the plight of the poor and homeless.  Of course, when we're fasting we know that in the evening we'll get something to eat in our kitchens.  But a very poor person eats a meal and then he often has no idea when he will get his next meal.  Ramadan is the best way to create that awareness.  We realize the pain and discomfort of others best if we put ourselves in their shoes even if it's for a few hours.  Every command of Allah has a useful purpose behind it. 

Absolutely sister Ruhi. This moral aspect is the real purpose of fasting.  Very nicely stated.

[Zainab_M]

thanks sis ruhi   i am really feel very sad for those sister whose totally brain washed ,why they never ask for any Quranic evidence ?? why we don't bother to search by own ??.why blindly trust on such imams ?? whats make these imams so impresive to them ??? bunch of hadiths ??,they justify their lies with thousands of tales and stories ?? thats It .
is it enough for the believer ??

That's the biggest problem sister Muslima.  I also feel very sorry for those sisters and brothers of ours who think it's their duty to blindly follow their imams and deny themselves the entitlement of asking them any questions even when they know that their imams are saying things that are not warranted by the Noble Quran.  Such an attitude is an evidence that the mainstream Muslims love & respect their human "teachers" more than Allah.  This is the crux of the problem to put it briefly.   The plight of this ummah is getting more and more sad by the day     But Allah is watching .... and Allah knows all of those who have deviated.   They will all be questioned. 

[muslima]

thanks sis ruhi   i am really feel very sad for those sister whose totally brain washed ,why they never ask for any Quranic evidence ?? why we don't bother to search by own ??.why blindly trust on such imams ?? whats make these imams so impresive to them ??? bunch of hadiths ??,they justify their lies with thousands of tales and stories ?? thats It .
is it enough for the believer ??

That's the biggest problem sister Muslima.  I also feel very sorry for those sisters and brothers of ours who think it's their duty to blindly follow their imams and deny themselves the entitlement of asking them any questions even when they know that their imams are saying things that are not warranted by the Noble Quran.  Such an attitude is an evidence that the mainstream Muslims love & respect their human "teachers" more than Allah.  This is the crux of the problem to put it briefly.   The plight of this ummah is getting more and more sad by the day     But Allah is watching .... and Allah knows all of those who have deviated.   They will all be questioned. 

yes sis . i was so disappointed that lady and her follower sister both were argue on upholding on Quran too.she said as muslim she can't deny hadith....i was like what she is saying.I said to her are u lost u are arguing me on the base of men written hadith literature ?? humans are full of errors .your imam bukhari or his students were not appointed by Allah or prophet (pbuh) it our duty to reject them if we found anything against divine book .Teachings of our prophet(pbuh) are in Quran prophet didn't told us anything outside Quran.prove your hadith with Quran. prove your claim show me the veres otherwise there is no point in arguing with me.And keep in mind you are not arguing me you are arguing against Quran.she has no answer BUT shamelessly sticked on her statement  i mean Quran is a book of Allah words of Allah we are command to uphold only on Quran why do people consider it crime ? who we are without Quran ??our education,knowledge ,values are totally wasted if we don't understand Quran.

[Heba E. Husseyn]

Very correct sis.  MashAllah, you are very brave.  InshAllah, Allah will reward for your courage and truthfulness.  Most people don't have the courage to confront their imams and they remain silent no matter what nonsense the imams talk.  I am glad you told her the truth and she had no answer.   At least she kept quiet.  Most imams and their followers start fighting and name calling.   Whenever I argue with Hadithers, they end up calling me "kafir" and "deviant."  Thus, they only multiply their own sins.  First, they leave the Book of Allah, and then, they wrongly accuse those who follow the Book of Allah.   How blind misguidance can make people. 

[muslima]

Very correct sis.  MashAllah, you are very brave.  InshAllah, Allah will reward for your courage and truthfulness.  Most people don't have the courage to confront their imams and they remain silent no matter what nonsense the imams talk.  I am glad you told her the truth and she had no answer.   At least she kept quiet.  Most imams and their followers start fighting and name calling.   Whenever I argue with Hadithers, they end up calling me "kafir" and "deviant."  Thus, they only multiply their own sins.  First, they leave the Book of Allah, and then, they wrongly accuse those who follow the Book of Allah.   How blind misguidance can make people. 

sis  i fear Allah ONly  not such imams or anyone who dont fear Allah and  its not difficult for me when i talk to someone face to face.i dont care what they think or say about me.it happend to me also if i talk to(jahil ) illustrated people. i think if someone claim to (call her/him self imam or teacher then its their responsibility to answer us)i told her she have to prove every claim with Quran.i gusess its a valid demand ??..she made me mad! my concern was her false claim with authenticity .how can she say!! that's in Quran .i don't like kind of double standard! why people don't have courage?? come on have some dare say it openly u are following men -written islam n carry on but DONT MAKE FALSE CLAIMs against Quran The WORD OF ALLAH OTHERWISE PROVE IT.and i conformed here too via (zeynab sis) so i was so sure ..she was speachless because it became big issue many sister were there and i took my laptop there and asked her for verse she claimed.!! QURAN IS VERY POWERFUL !!.Alhamdulillah she admited in last night sitting that her claim of (feeding of 60 people ) is NOT in QURAN.
Quran dose NOT referred this penalty for breaking or missing RAMADN fast...(1 male sunni imam was there too he also confirm that this penalty is wrong concept (feed one person 2 meals is right kaffara) and warned me again for disrespecting hadiths lol i said to him sir i am not disrespecting ur imam i am just conforming it with Quran is it crime ???
he said u are lost may Allah guide u i replyed same to u lol.
i felt he wanna kill me 
and furthermore more she( that lady) said yes there are few febrecated hadiths and we have few evidences via hadiths so we can't deny hadiths like u..lady and here followers are not happy infact angry with me but.i don't care i respect her she is nice lady may Allah guide her.

[Heba E. Husseyn]

MashAllah sister .... yes, that's exactly the way I feel too.  The problem is that we can never make these people understand that laws must be taken directly from the Quran and nothing from the Hadith.  Telling them this makes them either angry or they just ignore.  

Today I got a email forward from Islamic Dawah Centre in UK emphasizing the importance of dawah, mentioning that out of the 2.5 million Muslims in UK, 90% don't know anything about the Quran.  My question to the Dawah Centre is, how will they know anything about the Quran when they are only taught Hadith and fatwas since childhood?   For example, look at the pic below.  Would these dawah people themselves know anything about the Quran?  Their dawah consists only of all hadith laws mixed with modern fatwas.  In fact, many dawah centers tell people not to read the Quran on their own without the tafsirs provided by a sheikh or "scholar" who only misguide people with faulty & hadith-dependent tafsirs.  Shariah is officially supposed to contain only 4% of its contents from the Quran.   So, the question is, where is the other 96% from?    With such values, obviously majority of Muslims won't know anything about the Quran.  



This is surely not the way to call people to the Quran by just handing out copies to passers-by as if they handing out flyers for a political campaign.  For teaching the Quran, people must be called to gather at specific venues where the Quran can be read out with translations in the language they understand and then explained carefully & thoughtfully without the influence of Hadith or any other man-written laws.

Another problem with our Muslim organizations is they always keep asking for donations.  They never give a break-up of what they do with all the donation they get.  They are never interested in opening any welfare projects for the poor Muslims in fixed income groups.  Yet they keep asking for money.  The email forward I got from Dawah Centre today is also asking for donation to spread Islam.  I'm pretty sure they don't care one bit about creating awareness of the Quran.  They only use it as an excuse to ask for money.  They use all kinds of excuses for donations.

[muslima]

such  behaviour of people towords Quran Remaind me this verse !!

Canst thou (Muhammad) make the deaf to hear, or canst thou guide the blind or him who is in error manifest? 43:40

see the condition of muslim ummah !! buying Quran only for sawab ,reading Quran only for sawab ?? very valid question of your's sis.. how can people know about Quran if they have daily dose of hadith ??.it won't allow anyone to understand Quran and their spreaded concept of putting quran in highest shelf, safest place in home, keep us away from the real message of Allah covering Quran with most beautiful cover mean we actually put the cover on our own minds.people are tottaly disconnected with Allah because Quran is the only way of connection and we are so far away.I am not surprised with this percentage of 90% its true ..hold of these kind of people, ulmas and scholars create fear in common peoples that they may not understand the Quran like them and if anyone try to !they never make it easy. i ask  them too why refer tafsir's ? many tafsirs made blunders too .you are right many of them tell people not to read the Quran on their own without the tafsirs yes they do refer particulier tafsirs and once if they got you they offer 100 of stories books and entire range of hadith collection with extar tip !! try but it won't be easy for you without proper gueidence ??? and they think ! they are the ONLY source of guidance  if you join them its not more then a gathering of men-written islam followers .way of their teachings.? explanation of one verse via bunch of references and narrations...result 0/0 todays confused misguided  or brain washed muslim. 
such ways of donations. damage the whole structure of islam.they know it. if they open any welfare  and fixed income they will be answerable. they are munafiQs !! creating awareness of the Quran is not their intention Not at all they asking donation to collect money and spread MEN -written islam ONLY ..

[Heba E. Husseyn]

I agree with you 100% on everything you mentioned, dear sister.   Covering the Quran with velvet covers and keeping it aside only means we are covering our own minds .. that was so well put.  Allah bless your brave efforts for the cause of truth, my sister.  Ameen.