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Al-Hurr in connection with the tragedy of Karbala


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« on: November 11, 2012, 02:56:31 am »

The month of Moharram 2012 due to begin within the next 4 days (from Nov.15), here is an important part of history that's inspiring, moving and very important to know and remember.  The tragic event of Karbala contains many factual historical data (though both Sunnis & Shiias of later times have introduced several fictions to discredit one another, those aren't what we're interested in), and this one is about a man called Al-Hurr al-Tamimi.


In an event that's widely recognized as the greatest tragedy in Islamic history, the name of Al-Hurr is notable.

Al-Hurr was a nobleman from Kufa, Iraq, the capital of the Ommayad dynasty.  He was one of the influential members of the Tamim and Hamdan tribes.  In the Battle of Karbala, Hurr was a high-ranking commander of the Ommayad army along with Omar bin Saad sent by Yazid bin Muawiyah (the 2nd Ommayad ruler) to face the grandson of the Prophet of Islam, Imam Hussein bin Ali.  The Ommayad army dispatched from Kufa was ordered to intercept Hussein after guarding all entrances and exits to Kufa.  The order of Yazid was to either get Hussein's allegiance for his corrupt caliphate or to kill Hussein along with his companions.  

Initially, with an army of over 1,000 soldiers, Hurr intercepted Hussein and held him captive.  It was Hur who kept Hussein and his companions under siege, preventing them from getting water.  But on Moharram 10th, Hurr died fighting on behalf of Hussein.

On the day of Ashura (Moharram 10th), Hurr made the most unexpected decision.  Before the battle began, he left his position and the army he was commanding, and opted to take the side of Imam Hussein.  He was the first to be killed in the way of  Allah by the very army he commanded until a few hours earlier.

Hussein's companions numbered approximately 30 horsemen and 40 infantrymen.   At this point, Hussein called on the people around him to join him for the sake of Allah, The Almighty, and to defend Muhammad's family.  His speech affected Hurr.  He abandoned his colleague, Omar bin Saad, and joined Hussein's small band of followers.

According to widespread reports, Hurr began to approach Hussein gradually.  When one of his comrades questioned him if he intended to declare his loyalty to Hussein, Hurr was literally trembling.   His comrade was shocked and yelled that he was suspicious of his intention.  Hurr was reportedly very agitated, and yelled back telling his comrade in a clear voice that he was "choosing between Heaven and Hell .."  

He then appeared before Hussein with eyes brimming with tears asking forgiveness for his past aggression.  He apologized for forcing the Imam to come to Karbala and holding him captive.  He begged the Imam to allow him to fight for him.  Hurr's son also accompanied his father with the desire to defend the company of Hussein.   Hurr was amazed at the kindness he was shown at Hussein's camp.  

When the fight began on Moharram 10th, Hurr was the first to appear on the battlefield.  He laid down his life after killing several of his enemies.   Imam Hussein rushed to him to find him with a fatal wound.  In his final words, Hurr asked Hussein if he was satisfied with his service as a soldier.  And the last words he heard was the loving response of his Imam.


The complete art gallery of the TRAGEDY OF KARBALA.
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2012, 03:45:52 am »

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MashAllah ,Jazak Allah kahir well put sister Heba . indeed sadly the battle of Karbala is a big tragedy and shia ,Sunni versions overloock many noble peoples of this historical tragedy are unreliable

Sister is there any reliable source of authentic islamic history Where i can read authentic History of Islam after the death of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the after events of the Karbala ,the basic roots of  of suffering ummah ,saudi ruling etc which linked up with today's time ? the sources that available are not completely reliable. Ur help would be very appreciated.
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2012, 01:04:30 am »

Walaikum Salaam dear sisters.  Welcome back again sister Heba.  Thank you for this spectacular piece.  As usual, so well written and indeed it's inspiring right down to the pit of one's heart. 

Dear sister Muslima .. your wonderful question on finding an authentic source of Islamic history after the passing away of the beloved Prophet (sw) and the tragedy of Karbala is basically what our forum is about.  Of course it's not easy to find it but we've tried our best.  One has to search and search, and hop around various websites and books to compile the uncensored facts in bits & pieces.  That's because authentic Islamic history is censored information and hidden from readers.  The unauthentic history is the one the "scholars" and imams want us to know.  Our Hadith board (the one that contains articles on general hadith flaws) contains some very interesting pieces compiled as very thought-provoking sources of knowledge difficult to find elsewhere that make up the real history of Islam exposing the rise of bid'ah by the imams and so-called ulemas. 

It should be kept in mind that the main destruction of authentic Islamic history came about through Hadith.  Therefore, a thorough study of hadith - what it actually is and why it was brought - tells us much about the tricks that were being played to abolish authentic Islamic history and replacing it with a pirated one. 

I am putting up 13 important links as follows from Muslim Villa.  It gives a comprehensive idea of the actual events in Islam from the time of the death of the 3rd righteous Caliph, Osman bin Affan.  I would suggest that you bookmark these links and study them as and when you find the time.  If you go through our general Hadith flaws board, you will find many more 'food for thought' that will tell you much about uncensored Islamic history.

1)  Emergence of the Ummayads and the destruction of Islamic values - A very important piece to know how the changes began.

2)   HADITH: A RE-EVALUATION (a very informative read on uncensored history)

3)  Political conflicts as one of the causes of writing Hadith

3)  Effects of the Hadith on the Muslim Nation

4)  Omar bin Khattab (ra) supported QURAN ALONE, no Hadith

5)  Abu Hurayra and the shaping of traditional Islam

6)  Abu Hurairah or 'Paul'

7)  Controversial History of Hadeeth by brother Hafeez Kazi (Part 1)

8)  Controversial History of Hadeeth (by br. Hafeez Kazi) PART 2

9)  Controversial History of Hadeeth (by Br. Hafeez Kazi) PART 3

10)  There is a difference between History and Hadith

11)  Were all "sahabas" sincere to the Prophet (S)?

12)  Are non-Arabs exclusively responsible for introducing interpolations in Islam?

13)  Faith vs. Nationalism (This topic elucidates the true concept of patriotism in Islam which is very different from secular patriotism that was gradually introduced through innovations of the imams).
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2012, 01:54:42 am »

Walaikum Salaam sisters Muslima and Zeynab.  Many thanks for your appreciation.

As for totally authentic Islamic History, it doesn't exist any longer.  The imams have changed every bit of it just as the Christian clerics altered the Biblical history and thus there's no such thing as authentic Biblical history either.  The closest we can come to finding about about authentic Islamic History is to rummage through the existing works of the "ulemas" who have introduced tons of bid'ah and make efforts to trace out how those bid'ah came into the scenario.  This will give us an idea what the truth obviously was prior to the bid'ah.  For that purpose, the links provided by sister Zeynab will be helpful in understanding many secrets.

The most important thing here is to keep the Quran as our Sole Criterion.  Weeding out a bid'ah can be done solely on the basis of the Noble Quran.  First analyse the bid'ah and then compare what the Quran says or doesn't say on that issue.  

The mainstream Muslims refuse to judge anything regarding the existing bid'ah on the basis of the Quran.   They call that "kufr" or "deviance."  Can you believe that ??  This is the extent of their own deviance and desire to hop onto the hell-bound train.  
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2012, 02:02:25 am »

MashAllah, excellent one on al-Hurr al-Riyahi al-Tamimi.  And there was more than one person who switched over and joined Hussein's party. 

Concerning the truth about Islamic History, unfortunately the bulk of it is lost.  Thanks to Bukhari & co. for their destruction.  Actually, they have also changed many things pertaining to the Prophet's lifetime.  If you read the Hadith collections of Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Nasai etc., you will find plenty of lies written about the Prophet and his contemporaries.  Since the last 2 decades or so, Islamic history books taught in schools & colleges have also borrowed many Hadith contents, giving an excuse to mainstream Muslims to label the falsehood of Hadith as "Islamic history." 

We can only carry out our individual research to decipher the lies and figure out the truth.  For that, our articles here at MV are about the best collection for truth-seekers.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2012, 02:13:45 am »

MashAllah, excellent one on al-Hurr al-Riyahi al-Tamimi.  And there was more than one person who switched over and joined Hussein's party. 

Thanks br. PT.  Yes, there are some very moving incidents noted in this bit of Islamic history.  However, it's also hard to find an absolutely authentic version of the history of Karbala.  Both Sunnis & Shiias have brought in their interpolations.  That's why, concerning the incident of Hurr, I've only taken the broad facts which are commonly accepted by all sources.  

...... Actually, they have also changed many things pertaining to the Prophet's lifetime.  If you read the Hadith collections of Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Nasai etc., you will find plenty of lies written about the Prophet and his contemporaries.  ........

That's right, these "imams" have gone baloney with lies in their hadith collections.

We can only carry out our individual research to decipher the lies and figure out the truth.  For that, our articles here at MV are about the best collection for truth-seekers.

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Thanks br. PT.  Yes, there are some very moving incidents noted in this bit of Islamic history.  However, it's also hard to find an absolutely authentic version of the history of Karbala.  Both Sunnis & Shiias have brought in their interpolations.  That's why, concerning the incident of Hurr, I've only taken the broad facts which are commonly accepted by all sources.  

Exactly sister, I agree 100%.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2012, 02:43:43 am »

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Bunch of thanks for ur time dear sister Zeynab, sis Heba and persian bro  Smiley U guys are right imam's and scholar's based history is a garbage hmmm that's the main point which i haved missed hadith takeover the history it just not only the question of hadith contradictions with the quran infacet hadith made the major mess with entire islamic history.


jazak Allah kahir sister zeynab i will read all ur posted links inshAllah.


Guys !! May Allah give u more strength to carry on with ur noble cause ,to spread this spark of truth in the heart and mind of ummah Allah bless u ,reward u ameen.
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We can only carry out our individual research to decipher the lies and figure out the truth.  For that, our articles here at MV are about the best collection for truth-seekers.


 Thumbsup 200 % agree with u bro  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 02:54:08 am »

You're very very welcomed dear sis !  Smiley

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..... it just not only the question of hadith contradictions with the quran infacet hadith made the major mess with entire islamic history.

Exactly sister.  Hadith has completely erased Islamic history and now claims to call itself "history."  Contradicting the Quran is the prime strategy of Hadith to introduce its changes in the name of "sunnah" which the mainstream Muslims think to be "traditional history of Islam."  Limit of madness!  And because the Muslims refuse to uphold the Noble Quran as their Sole Criterion for Judgment, that's the reason Hadith gets away with all its violations in the name of "Islamic history" and "traditions."
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 03:16:12 am »

Ya Allah mercy ummah is following the religion of hadith ,human made religion  Sad
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2012, 10:10:32 pm »

Love this thread, an exhilarating one.  Thank you my sisters and brother.

May Allah (The Greatest) shower His blessings on the beloved Prophet (saaw) and his family who sincerely worked to uphold the principles of the Noble Quran and the justice it commands.  Ameen, ya Allah.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 10:13:12 pm »

Ya Allah mercy ummah is following the religion of hadith ,human made religion  Sad

 Sad That's right sister Muslima.  Unfortunately this is what the ummah is doing today .. following a man-made 'regligion' (hadith) drafted by a bunch of loafers who came to destroy the true Islam after the death of our beloved Prophet.
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 sis ruhi u named them LOAFERS   claaap  so accurate name,well recommended name loafers, robber   Thumbsup Thumbsup
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2012, 11:02:48 pm »

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