Did prophet (pbuh) ever violate the Quranic law for his sexual desire ??

[muslima]

 


okay guys today i am here to discuss such lowest level hadith I have been in argument over this one .

one of our sister asked !!

she said ! I know Sex during menstruation is forbidden but to embrace , to fondle (and etc further ) like slight touching for the purposes of sexual satisfaction is it also forbidden or is it permissible for husband ??


Hadithest lady replyed !


yes it is permissible husband can still fondle his wife in other ways, as the prophet(pbuh) used to do it.. by quoting the following Ahadith for the proof . i have personally well reviewed the hadith and i have found something more worse..   usually sunni asserts that the most of hadith's have different context in arabic and not correctly translated in english. they consider these books so called sahi as very respectful literature But it has made me crazy with anger. its very shameful but i want to discuss so let's compare Arabic hadith and english translation !!



here is website i have got hadith with arabic ,urdu and english translation !!

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/6
 
Narrated Maimuna:
When ever Allah's Messenger (sw)wanted to fondle any of his wives during the periods (menses), he used to ask her to wear an Izar.

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو النُّعْمَانِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَاحِدِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا الشَّيْبَانِيُّ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ شَدَّادٍ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ مَيْمُونَةَ، كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِذَا أَرَادَ أَنْ يُبَاشِرَ امْرَأَةً مِنْ نِسَائِهِ أَمَرَهَا فَاتَّزَرَتْ وَهْىَ حَائِضٌ‏.‏ وَرَوَاهُ سُفْيَانُ عَنِ الشَّيْبَانِيِّ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 303
In-book reference : Book 6, Hadith 8
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 6, Hadith 300



2:

Narrated `Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) `Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Messenger(sw) wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." `Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet (sw) could."
 

حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ خَلِيلٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ مُسْهِرٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو إِسْحَاقَ ـ هُوَ الشَّيْبَانِيُّ ـ عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الأَسْوَدِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ كَانَتْ إِحْدَانَا إِذَا كَانَتْ حَائِضًا، فَأَرَادَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه

وسلم أَنْ يُبَاشِرَهَا، أَمَرَهَا أَنْ تَتَّزِرَ فِي فَوْرِ حَيْضَتِهَا ثُمَّ يُبَاشِرُهَا‏.‏ قَالَتْ وَأَيُّكُمْ يَمْلِكُ إِرْبَهُ كَمَا كَانَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَمْلِكُ إِرْبَهُ‏.‏ تَابَعَهُ خَالِدٌ وَجَرِيرٌ عَنِ الشَّيْبَانِيِّ‏


Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 302
In-book reference : Book 6, Hadith 7
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 1, Book 6, Hadith 299




(from the Arabic word ازار izār "veil ")

Izar !! a type of waist cloth ! plain and unsewn cloth. The lower piece, called an izar, is wrapped around the midriff to cover the body from just above the navel to the ankles
Like lower piece Of clothes men's wrapped around in ihram ...



Fondle !! to handle or touch lovingly, affectionately, or tenderly; caress. BUT orignal word of hadith text is يُبَاشِرَهَا. /In english translation it's Fondle ,
Sexual intercourse in urdu مباشرت
 
although the both hadith's are  gross but The translator is much careful in the selection of word i guess , the word has been used in arabic hadith it falls from standard hadith is just not claiming or explaining to only fondle/fondling but it goes more far  



see below the Arabic word of fondle ...[/b]

 

باسَطَ - لاطَفَ

 fondle (  feelings & emotions )  touch or stroke lovingly , caress,

 
     يُلاطِف   يُداعِب، يُدَلِّل،

 Fondle (verb)to touch stroke etc affectionately



Thing to be noted in Arabic text of hadith word !![/b]
 


يُبَاشِرَهَا. Arabic .

مباشرت Urdu
( couplation / copulate, copulation, copula, / Sexual intercourse - مباشرت

مُبَاشَرَة -
pursuit of sexual pleasure
 


root word....bā shīn rā (ب ش ر) refers to the more physical attributes of human being. It refers to the skin, complexion,elegance , physical intimate relationships etc It also takes meanings as rejoicing and good tidings.The word  (yu)bashira' does not simply mean 'fondle' In this context, it implies any sexual act which involves skin to skin contact, including sexual intercourse.The word has also been used by the Quran to describe the permissibility of sexual relations in the night of the fast.2:187


It is made lawful for you to go in unto your wives on the night of the fast They are raiment for you and ye are raiment for them. Allah is Aware that ye were deceiving yourselves in this respect and He hath turned in mercy toward you and relieved you. So hold intercourse with them ( so now have sexual relations / intercourse  (Arabic: bashirunna) and seek that which Allah hath ordained for you, and eat and drink until the white thread becometh distinct to you from the black thread of the dawn. Then strictly observe the fast till nightfall and touch them not, but be at your devotions in the mosques. These are the limits imposed by Allah, so approach them not. Thus Allah expoundeth His revelation to mankind that they may ward off (evil). 2:187



My question to hadithest and ulma's ..Prophet (pbuh) would ever violated Quranic law ??? what the hell ur hadith literature try to say prophet has no control on his desires ??


وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْمَحِيضِ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَاعْتَزِلُوا النِّسَاءَ فِي الْمَحِيضِ وَلَا تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّىٰ يَطْهُرْنَ فَإِذَا تَطَهَّرْنَ فَأْتُوهُنَّ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَمَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ التَّوَّابِينَ وَيُحِبُّ الْمُتَطَهِّرِينَ
 

Wayas-aloonaka AAani almaheedi qul huwa athan faiAAtaziloo alnnisaa fee almaheedi wala taqraboohunna hatta yathurna fa-itha tatahharna fa/toohunna min haythu amarakumu Allahu inna Allaha yuhibbu alttawwabeena wayuhibbu almutatahhireena 2:222

 

They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness.2:222



(2:222:7)    

fa-iʿ'tazilū  /  faiAAtaziloo    فَاعْتَزِلُو

so keep away (from)    ( for any sexual desires  ,sexual acts are included isn't  ???


verse 2:222 of the Quran which clearly instructs believers to stay away from their wives during their monthly courses. No exception for the Prophet (pbuh) is noted in this matter. these questionable, damaging hadith reports attacked the great moral character of beloved prophet Muhammad(pbuh)  he have great moral character.

 

And lo! thou art of a tremendous nature.68:4
 

And (O Muhammad) follow that which is inspired in thee, and forbear until Allah give judgment. And He is the Best of Judges. 10:109


Astaghfirullah  

He has compared prophet 's Biography to an ordinary men? men who's non believer by nature, who has nothing to do with the Quranic directive,one who only lives for sexual desire,.If one ordinary men can't stop himself it does not mean he can run the gun by putting it on prophet's shoulder . only for ur lust how could u do this ??  when Allah has already forbidden sex and any act for sexual desire during the menstruation days of women(wife). how could we even presume !! prophet (pbuh) would ever violated the Quran to satiate his sexual desire ? on the other hand !! bukhari has penned so inconsiderately about The mother of believers !! My question is !! which type of information and knowledge is that u gaining via this literature ? no shame ? No modesty ? No consideration ? No limits ?? any of believer would ever like to know About his/ her own mother's private bed room life ?? would u hadithest folks.  ??
it's so shameful ,disgusting ,pathetic that many Muslims still attempted to uphold their imam's and favoured this cheap, disrespectful literature so called sahi ..  

 


I am speechless over the necessity of this information...

 

any feedback ??? any correction would be appreciating  if i have made mistake  .

[Heba E. Husseyn]

Walaikum Salam sister Muslima.  Yes, I've also come across plenty of such bullshit from various scandal mongering ahadith.   All those vagabonds who wrote such stuff have no decency, no respect for the Prophet and no respect for themselves.  One surely needs to be very shameless to even think of writing this sort of degraded and offensive lies.

It actually goes far beyond the issue of being allowed or disallowed to fondle during menstruation.   Let me wrap up the essential points to expose why such unauthentic ahadith are both needless and unethical.

The menstruation issue has been very clearly and concisely explained in the Noble Quran and we don't need the gross suggestions of Hadith.  During menstruation the Quran only disallows married couples from engaging in intercourse on grounds of cleanliness and hygiene as quoted in V.2:222.  Even professional medical doctors today advise the same. This is the only prohibition for menstruating women in the Noble Quran.  The Quran does not order menstruating women not to offer prayers or not to fast or not to go for hajj.  All this has been borrowed by the Hadith from the ideas contained in the altered Jewish & Christian bibles.  We have penned a complete article on this topic by adhering only to Quranic information and comparing the striking similarities of Hadith with the altered bibles.  You can check it at the following link.  And as Muslims we are obligated to follow only what the Quran commands.

"Does the Quraan disallow menstruating women from praying / fasting?"

Regarding Verse 2:187 commands abstinence from sexual intercourse during fasting (from fajr to nightfall), regardless of menstrual cycles.  

The most important point of objection with such hadiths is their vulgarity, rudeness and interference in the personal life of the Prophet .. and that too by writing guesswork and gossips.  It has so often made me think, don't these munafiqs ever consider that the Prophet (pbuh) had a right to some privacy in his life?  The Noble Quran firmly tells us to avoid all gossip- mongering.  The Quran tells believers in Surah Al-Ahzab not to hang around in the Prophet's home for idle conversation with him after being invited for a meal.  The Quran has strongly condemned those people who gossiped about Aisha.  And now look what the Hadith narrators and compilers are doing.  Their gossips about the Ahl-Bayt are of exactly the same kind or worse.
 
I ask myself, how would the Prophet feel if he learned about such obnoxious stuff being talked about by people who call themselves "Muslims?"   It goes without saying that every person's (whether man or woman) conjugal relations is their private matter.  It is none of anyone else's business except the wife and the husband.  That aspect becomes still more important when it involves the Prophet (pbuh).

We are supposed to love the Prophet even more than we love our own parents, and that really means a lot.  Would any one us ever even think of gossiping in this manner about the marital relationship of our own parents?  NEVER !!  So why do these hadith narrators / writers say such things about the Prophet ??   Aisha was the mother of believers, the wife of the Prophet and a great lady.  All wives of the Prophet are the mothers of believers.  Would a lady of such perfect principles and such high reputation as Aisha ever discuss her bed stories before outsiders to be propagated from generation to generation ??  NEVER !!  So I again ask the Hadithists that why do they treasure such nonsensical narrations and call them "sahih?"

Brother Hafeez Kazi in his "history of hadith" mentions that the hadith writes such awfully shocking and intrusive things about the Prophet's married life that even an ordinary male would feel embarrassed chatting like that about his own married life with his male friends.  And here, the hadith has no qualms crossing all lines of respect & courtesy attributing crude & vulgar falsehoods to Aisha and the wives of the Prophet that cannot be read before women or children or in congregations.

The Prophet (pbuh) was a human being and so were his wives.  Also, it goes without saying that the Prophet (pbuh) was a strict follower of every commandment of Allah Almighty as He has highlighted in the His Final Message.   The Prophet never indulged in sexual intercourse with his wives during their menstrual cycles.  As far as simple gestures of love are concerned like the wife & husband holding each others' hands, touching the face or hair or shoulders or simply hugging gently & affectionately are okay during menstruation because these do not come in the category of 'sexual intercourse' that directly interfere with the condition of menstruation.  But first of all, even such gestures of love between a married couple are not allowed during fasting.  Secondly, even such gestures are strictly personal matters between the husband and wife and not for outsiders to gossip or fool about with by weaving rude tales and stories .... and they are certainly NOT authorized to construct such cheap tales about the Prophet and his wives.  It amounts to a bunch of very sinful lies.  Thirdly, while touching of hands or face or shoulders is okay, touching of private parts during menstruation is NOT okay because it does directly interfere with the issue of menstruation.  

usually sunni asserts that the most of hadith's have different context in arabic and not correctly translated in english.

You're absolutely right sister.  The patent Sunni excuse is that 'English translations of hadith are misleading and they don't mean what they sound.'  That bullshit has now gotten quite archaic and I don't even give it a second thought.  We've also posted a proof of that.  A post on 9 Hadith bloopers by brother Zulfiki Nazim in the following link mentions the original Arabic hadith and then translates it in English.  The translations are correct and the meaning remains exactly the same and just as ridiculous because the original Hadith collection is horrible, so what can we expect from its translations?

"The 9 Hadith bloopers, out of many"

[muslima]

Thanks  for ur time sister heba . i am very grateful to ur satisfying response it is  very helpful i will send her .. inshallah correct  very After reading those hadiths my head was down in shame. how could such shameful waste material,can be called hadith  Sahi no way  ?  which type of craze is this to knowing the personal life of prophet (pbuh)  and his wives which brake the all limits of shame ..
 
Kafir, munafiq , no difference ,no fear of Allah .