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« on: February 05, 2013, 04:19:30 am »

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Why do Muslims eat Halal - Unbelievable/ Submission of Animals to ALLAH (Swt)

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 01:03:49 am »

Walaikum salaam sister Muslima Smiley 

This topic sounds very interesting.  It's just that I'm so sensitive that I can hardly watch animals getting ready for slaughter.  I'm sure Allah grants them Paradise because they're so innocent.  It's just that I'm a bit weak emotionally.  Can you please tell me what exactly is shown in this video?  Just curious Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 05:41:34 pm »

aww i too never watch any video of  slaughtering my dear sister zeynab in this video no slaughtering ,no blood , no knife u will be surprised if u watch the behaviour of these animals its like demonstration this guy shows the power of Allah's words that when he recite Allah hu akbar  how these animal s respond to the words of Allah and they get ready to completely surrender for submission  because non muslims thing that islamic way of slaughtering  is harsh and it hurts the animals  but he shows that when animals listen the words of Allah they understand and  they become so calm,relax and how it make them ready for painless submission.. its not the video of slaughtering
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2013, 05:33:16 am »

Thanks for the feedback sister Smiley  Yes, I saw it.  Very amazing indeed.  Handling animals humanely during slaughter is so important from the Quranic point of view.   That's the reason why we are told in the Quran that we cannot eat just any dead animal we find, even if that animal is Halal for food.  It must be slaughtered in the Halal way with the minimal of pain and with the name of Allah.   I think mentioning the name of Allah over the sheep or cattle or poultry is also a gesture of respect to the soul of the animal .. because animals are just as much the creations of Allah as we are and they too have a soul. 

Additionally, some people think that to sedate the animal with some pre-medication prior to the slaughter is not un-Islamic as it would further help to lessen the fear and pain of the animal.  Personally I think it's a good idea and does not go against the Quranic view at all.  What's your opinion on it, sister?
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2013, 06:27:58 pm »

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well that's very good topic !! Sis  in my opinion islamic method of slaughtering is best and good for health also it's mention in Quran if i am not wrong let's check!!
 
And eat not of that whereon Allah's name hath not been mentioned, 6:121
 
“ Allah has forbidden you what dies of itself (Maytata), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice over which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked(or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., 0n which Allah Name has not been mentioned while slaughtered). But whoever is driven by necessity, without neither willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then he is guiltless. Surely Allah is Oft-forgiving, merciful.” (2: 173).
 
 

Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swineflesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 5:3
 
 
وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ
and that which is hit fatally,
 
The root of this word is: Waw-Qaf-Dhal/Thal which means to beat till death, to strike violently or to be killed by a blow / by a violent blow,or victim of a violent blow
 
Killing. An animal via A Blow / strike / stunning is Forbidden

methods of killing animals like Electrocution, (stunning) suffocation and shattering the brain through bullet shot etc., are far more painful, It is very cruel by giving a high electric shock (electrocution to a conscious animals)
 
 
 
And Blood  5:3  Eating blood is not halal.

"cutting and draining the blood."

 
Allows for draining most of the blood out and islamic methode of slaughtring  completely drained out the blood from the body of animal
 
 
And the camels! We have appointed them among the ceremonies of Allah. Therein ye have much good. So mention the name of Allah over them when they are drawn up in lines[/color].(when they are down on their sides (after slaughter), Then when their flanks fall (dead), eat thereof and feed the beggar and the suppliant. Thus have We made them subject unto you, that haply ye may give thanks.22:36
 
The machine slaughter procedure acording to 22:36 not permissible ??
 
 
conditions  of unconsciousness !!
if the animal given drug to make them unconscious so their body become cold and work on slow rate and it slow's the blood flow and under the influence of alcohol, Anesthesia or drugs ( some time they just die in unconsciousness ) and this process of pre - medication does not allow the good blood flow,blood does not drain out properly from the animal's body  and blood remains in body and it create smell in meat that 5:3 and blood[/color] it's  unhealthy for humans . Allah know 's what is healthy and what is unhealthy for us .living abroad it's easy to see the difference in halal and haram meat if u go to halal meat shop u will never feel any smell in meat but if u go to haram meat shop even in chicken meat u can feel bad smell ? because of slaughtring methoed (blood does not drain out  properly that's why meat smells )Many doctors in western country recommend the halal meat i personally know the doctor he prefer to buy meat from halal  meat shop he said it's simply blood free meat there is no diffrence in animals but only the different method of slaughtering and it made huge difference.



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Islamic Slaughtering and Western method of Slaughtering.









Research: Islamic Slaughtering and Western method of Slaughtering.

The Islamic practice of slaughtering animals by means of a sharp cut to the front of the neck has frequently come under attack by some animal rights activists as being a form of animal cruelty, the claim being that it is a painful in human method of killing animals. In the West, it is required by law to stun the animals with a shot to the head before the slaughter, supposedly to render the animal unconscious and to prevent it from reviving before it is killed so as not to slow down the movement of the processing line. It is also used to prevent the animal from feeling pain before it dies.

German Research Studies Pain, It therefore may come as a surprise to those who have made such acclimations to learn of the results of a study carried out by Professor Wilhelm Schulzeand his colleague Dr. Hazim at the School of Veterinary Medicine, Hannover University in Germany. The study: ‘Attempts to Objectify Pain and Consciousness in Conventional (captive boltpistol stunning) and Ritual (halal, knife) Methods of Slaughtering Sheep and Calves’ concludes that Islamic slaughtering is the most humane method of slaughter and that captive bolt stunning, practiced in the West, causes severe pain to the animal.

In the study, several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of the brain. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks. Some animals were then slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and the carotid arteries as well as the trachea and oesophagus (Islamic method). Other animals were stunned using a Captive Bolt Pistol (CBP). During the experiment, an electroencephalogram graph (EEG) and an electrocardiogram (ECG) recorded the condition of the brain and the heart of all animals during the course of slaughter and stunning.
The results were as follows:

I – Islamic Method When you slaughter in Islamic way the blood is drained from the flesh, where as other method of killing clots the blood and 45 percent of the blood remains in the flesh, hence eating such meat is highly dangerous to health, especially kids.

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep – unconsciousness. This is due to the large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

3. After the above-mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (A reflex action of the spinal cord) driving a maximum amount of blood from the body thus resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

http://www.quranohadees.com/2011/10/why-is-islamic-way-of-slaughtering-is-so-brutal/

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 05:52:50 am »

O yes, of course sister, Islamic method is the BEST.  No one can dispute it.  I did not mean not to follow that .. LOL!  I am a strict Quranist.  I can never say that.   What I meant was to additionally sedate animals with some harmless, non-alcoholic, non-intoxicating medication only to make them a bit calm prior to slaughter, just the way humans are given mild & harmless sedation before going for surgery.  Such medications never contain any alcoholic contents and they do not affect the quality of food.  That's definite.  After all, mild to moderate sleeping pills are given to patients in hospitals & clinics in all Muslim countries as well, depending on their illness, to keep them comfortable so that they experience the minimal of pain.  That will lesson the fear & anxiety of animals prior to slaughter.  The procedure of the slaughter must NOT change and to be exactly according to the Quranic method. The idea of medication was an additional one because it serves a good purpose in my view for the benefit of the animals and I cannot think of any Quranic Verse nor any Quranic principles that go against it.   That's what I meant.  If we study the methods of killing that have been prohibited in the Quran "and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts" ....  apart from the fact that the name of Allah is not mentioned on such animals, the reason Allah has disallowed to eat of animals killed in these ways is because these methods are cruel and cause pain to the animal.  The concept of giving a soothing, non-alcoholic medication prior to the slaughter does not come into any of the categories prohibited in the Quran, because its purpose is alleviate the pain as much as possible.  And, even if the medication is used, the slaughter MUST be done in the Quranic method by mentioning the name of Allah.  Therefore, in my opinion, adding this method does not make the slaughter un-Islamic.  That's the way I see it by keeping in mind the complete Quranic information & principles.  Of course others may have different opinions.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 03:52:44 pm »

yes being animal lovers i too feel  the same sister  i am also strict Quranist sis Smiley  okay give me  ur opinion on this .

22:36
 
wal-bud'na

And the camels and cattle -
 
root bā dāl nūn (ب د ن)

 Budna is not restricted to 'camels' as is often translated, but the term covers any animal of sacrifice such as a cow, bull, goat,sheep or camel.

ṣawāffa

(when) lined up ,standing in line ( before being sacrificed)

 I know verse speak about the ritual of animal sacrifice during hajj but this method is applicable to regular slaughtering also isn't  ? how can we make them unconscious with minor or strong anesthesia ?  ( ofcourse it's difficult to down the camels before slaughtering )  but  for cow,sheep ect  it is possible to ( tie their legs ,rectie Allah 's name make them calm and when they down their side slaughetr them ) and if they have been given anesthesia or unconscious how is it possible ??
 
 
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 05:17:14 pm »

Interesting video & thread.   Yes sister Muslima, Verse 22:36 is very clear.  Allah tells us the method of slaughter by putting the camels in a line, and then the slaughter to be done with the death stroke, meaning with a sharp knife as quickly as possible so that the animal falls dead with the minimal of pain.  And yes, this method can also be followed outside of Hajj.  From reading the thread, I think what sister Zeynab meant was that sedating the animal prior to this procedure is optional.  It doesn't go against the Quran because sedation does not make the animals unconscious .. not at all.  The animal stays very conscious.  It's not like general anesthesia that would knock one down in a few seconds.  Rather it's only a mild tranquilizer like the ones given to patients a little while before they are wheeled into the operating room. It keeps the patients very conscious but just makes them relaxed so they don't feel anxious or nervous before the surgery. Such sedatives do not contain any alcohol or intoxicant and nothing harmful, neither for the animals nor for humans.  The medication simply makes the animal more sober by calming its nervous system.   

Verse 22:36 does not mention about medication because in this Verse Allah is instructing the people of the 7th century.  They didn't have any medications those days, not even a simple vitamin tablet, let alone nerve soothing pills.  But today, by the Grace of Allah, we have discovered many things to benefit not just our physical health but also our mental health.  Though animals have full trust in Allah, at the same time they also have feelings of anxiety & fear when they know they are close to death, just like humans.  Feeling of fear while at the doorstep of death is a natural phenomenon in all living beings as ordained by Allah.  A mild medication helps to lessen this fear.  It's only an act of kindness done with very good intent which apparently does not clash with any Quranic principles.  And, we all know how much the virtue of kindness is emphasized in the Quran. 

If the medication is used, and about 30 minutes later the procedure of slaughtering (as mentioned in Verse 22:36) with the death stroke using the sharp knife by mentioning of Allah is done, I don't see how it violates the Quranic law on slaughtering.  It goes without saying that during slaughter the animal will still need to hear the name of Allah just as much for eternal peace of its soul.  Medication does not and cannot make anyone forget Allah, and final help only comes from Allah.  
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 05:51:21 pm »

The fact is that nowadays if you go the slaughterhouses or abattoirs in any Muslim country, none of them follow the Halal procedure from start to finish.  They treat the poor animals so cruelly by pushing them, yelling at them and throwing them on the ground or floor as if they are inanimate objects.  I've read reports that lots of animals get badly injured because of the rough treatment before slaughter.  Can anyone call this Islamic?  Never!   Many of the people running these abattoirs are so thoroughly illiterate that they have never even touched the Quran in their lives, much less being acquainted with any Quranic dictates or principles.  I'm not even sure if all of them mention the name of Allah each time before slaughtering an animal, which is the prime principle of Halal animal product.   But because we don't know what's happening there, so we give them the benefit of the doubt by taking for granted that they follow the Islamic procedure.

Even in Western countries, only in some places they give medication prior to slaughter.  Mostly they also don't, and in many slaughterhouses even in Europe and North America, they treat the animals very badly.

I'm in agreement with sisters Zeynab and Heba.  Giving a little nerve soothing medicine is only an act of kindness to the animal and Allah appreciates kindness. The rough and cruel treatment which these poor animals receive at the hands of both Muslim and non-Muslim butchers is one of the big violations that makes the procedure un-Islamic.   
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 06:15:01 pm »

Right brother PT.  I've also heard much about the inhumane treatment the cattle and sheep get in many slaughterhouses.  But like you said, who ever wants to go there and watch the actual atmosphere for themselves? 

Moreover, I've also heard that in countries like Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Kuwait etc. their slaughterhouses are made very much in the Western style.  Animals are slaughtered enmasse with those big equipments having huge sharp knives and the work is done very mechanically and fast.  That's okay, but then I don't know how do they mention the name of Allah which is mandatory?
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Moreover, I've also heard that in countries like Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Kuwait etc. their slaughterhouses are made very much in the Western style.  Animals are slaughtered enmasse with those big equipments having huge sharp knives and the work is done very mechanically and fast.  That's okay, but then I don't know how do they mention the name of Allah which is mandatory?


An aunt of mine lived in Saudi Arabia with her family for 5 or 6 years.  They said that "BismAllah Ar Rehman Ar Raheem" is tape recorded and attached to these machines.   So as the machine moves and slaughters each animal, the tape keeps mentioning the name of Allah.  I don't know if such a mechanical set-up can be considered Halal.  Only Allah knows best.   I think when we mention the name of Allah, it must come from the heart, not the tape.  However, the precise method of slaughter itself seems ok, in that, it's done fast with a sharp knife as instructed in the Quran.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 06:26:15 pm »

O really?  I never knew this, that they use tape recorder for mentioning "Bism'Allah."
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2013, 06:28:12 pm »

That's what they said.  This was back in the 1990s.  I wouldn't know if the system has changed now in any way. 
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2013, 08:04:37 pm »

Thank u for ur feedback sis heba hmmm i was stuck in verse 22:36 u guys have deep insight about Quran so i have no more doubt ur points make me feel to see the other side of glorious Quran again !

Bro thanks for ur feedback this information is shocking and heart crushing such mishandling of  animals is really unbelievable Sad


 1:  Verse 22:36 does not mention about medication because in this Verse Allah is instructing the people of the 7th century

 2:I think In any muslim country it's not possible to change their minds because they can't think on this level for innocent animals they are so violent , stone hearted but for the muslims living abroad it's fine for them if they want to choose this option by keeping the kindness of Allah in mind with ur point !!

3:  it does not clash with any Quranic principles It's only an act of kindness done with very good intent.

4: Allah appreciate kindness

It will also help to present the soft and kind face of islam to violent non Muslims also ..

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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2013, 09:54:05 pm »

Yes right dear sis.   Actually .. you know what?   giving a little medicine to animals before slaughter is not followed everywhere in the West .. very few places maybe.  Especially nowadays because of the recession, they are trying to save money in every sphere.  They won't pay extra money for buying medicines for animals.  Western governments are cutting down on medicines for human beings, what will they pay for animals.

I've watched several television reports with complaints from animal rights activists saying that not just those who run the slaughterhouses but also the farmers while transporting their sheep and cattle to the abattoirs are really rough and mean with the animals.  I saw one TV report in Canada where someone pushed a poor cow while it was getting down from the truck so hard that the animal fell on it hind legs and it was so hurt that it couldn't get up.  It had to be helped up by two other people.  I've heard of many Muslim countries where they literally treat animals for slaughter like trash.  They think that these animals are in any case destined for slaughter so there's no need to handle them with care.  This is a very harsh attitude and Allah can never be pleased with it.  May Allah bless the man shown in this video you put up.  He is a very kind hearted man.  Unfortunately he is one in a million.  Majority have a very different mentality.   

Not just sheep and cattle, but in Asian countries they also treat chickens very badly.  Many of them buy live chickens from the poultry shops and bring them home to do the slaughter themselves.  When they carry the chicken home from the shop, they tie its legs and hold it upside down like one would carry a shopping bag.  And the poor chicken keeps groaning and crying in pain.   Makes me very sad. 
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