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« on: March 19, 2013, 06:38:54 pm »

 salamem

 I want to discuss one issue tease me may be it will help others also to save our future generation it's about a weird story which i have never heard before.

Noble Qur'an says: "O you who believe! Be careful of (your duty to) Allah and be with the true ones." (9:119)

As muslim creating a fake stories and attributing them to Allah or to prophets (pbuh)  is a very serious crime and sins but bloody tradition of making false story ruining the innocence of children. My question is Why don't people understand that childhood information is important foundation of strong faith and love of Allah, every information should be very simple ,and must be straight  from Quran .Allah does not allow us in Quran even to fooled childrens .so why do grandparents , elder sister's , aunty's have habit to tell false tales so called islamic stories with out verification and authenticity of Quran  ?
 i was in argument with one of  grandfather from moroccan family were telling the story named !

 why does peacock cry ?

first of all i don't understand why does people think '' peacock cry ??? i mean it's his voice ,why assumed that he is crying ? story begins with such senseless answer !! peacock is expelled bird of paradise,  and Allah punished peacock by givin him ugly feets ...Because peacock help shaitan to getting inside the jannah  according to the story iblis corrupt the peacock by promising to save him from old age and death .shaitan /iblis changed its appearance and became a Snake, and it just wrapped itself around the feets of that peacock and in this way it entered the Jannah and convinced prophet Adam (pbuh)  and Eve/Hawa  to eat from forbidden tree ,so as punishment Allah turned the peacock's feet black (he used to be very beautiful in paradise) and sent him down to earth along with Prophet Adam and Hawa. whenever peacock see his feets which are not beautiful but whole body is beautiful so it remind's him ,his mistake, and he assumed to feels guilt and cries out ... Undecided
 

I was totally surprised !  Allah does not say anywhere in quran that He punished any of His creature ? what would be the impact on innocent childrens  that  Allah The Most Merciful has punished His creature with ugly feets . Angry .our religion does not need any false , fabricated ,ridiculous tales. .


i did some research and found doubtful connection !

Other says !
The actual name of the devil was Azazil, not Iblis... Azazil got the name Iblis when he refuse to bow down to Adam as instructed by Allah .. When Iblis was in service of Allah, he was known as Azazil, one of the archangels in Heaven...

In Ibn Kathir's Qisas Al-Anbiya, it's stated that shaitan's  original name was Azazil and that he was known as Iblis after his refusal to prostrate to prophet Adam (pbuh).

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The Story of Adam and Eve (Hawwa)
written by imam ibn kahtir
eBook: Stories of the Prophets


There were many traditions about Iblis at the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Ibn Masud, Ibn Abbas and a group of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said that Iblis had been the head of the angels in the worldly heavens. Ibn Abbas said in one narration that his name had been Azazil and in another narration he said it had been Al Harith. Ibn Abbas also said that Iblis was a jinn and that they had once been the keepers of Paradise, with Iblis the most honorable and the most learned and the most pious of them. Another tradition says that he had been one of the famous four possessors of wings (angels), before Allah transformed him into the accursed Satan..

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AZĀZĪL, THE EVIL SPIRIT


Azāzīl, there is another tale of which comparison may be made between the Muslims and Zoroastrians, namely, the story of the Peacock. The following is the Muslim tradition: —
 
Azāzīl kept sitting at the gate of Paradise, anxious to enter. The Peacock also was there seated on a Pinnacle, when he saw one repeating the mighty Names of God. Who art thou? asked the Peacock. "I am one of the angels of the Almighty"; - "But why art thou sitting here?" "I am looking at Paradise and wish to enter." The Peacock said, "I have no command to let any one enter as long as Adam is there." — "If thou wilt let me in," said the other, "I will teach them a prayer which if any one repeat, three things will be his — he will never grow old; never be rebellious; nor will any one ever turn him out of Paradise." Then Iblīs (the devil) repeated the prayer. The peacock also from his pinnacle did the same, and forthwith flew up to the Serpent and told him what he had heard from Iblīs. We also learn that when God cast down Adam and Eve with the devil (Iblīs) from Paradise, the Peacock also was expelled along with them.1

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Sources/p085-086.htm


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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2013, 09:13:05 pm »

Walaikum Salam.

Good grief !!   I never knew of this story about the peacock .. LOL  Grin    Thank you sister Muslima.   Isn't this strange?   I totally agree.  Telling children such absurd tales in the name of Islam is a heinous sin.  Those grandfathers and grandmothers who babble these stories will have a tough time on the Day of Judgment.   How people underestimate huge violations!

I didn't even know of that myth of Iblis being named Azazil prior to being banished by Allah.  The Quran simply refers to Satan as Iblis, no other name.  In fact the Quran states that Iblis was of the Jinn which is the reason why he disobeyed Allah.   Iblis was not of the angels.  Ibn Kathir is an arch liar.   This notion comes from Christianity and Judaism.   This topic has been discussed in detail in our post Allah Almighty has said that Iblis (Shaytaan) was of the Jinn.

That quote of Ibn Abbas is also false which says  "Iblis was a jinn and that they had once been the keepers of Paradise, with Iblis the most honorable and the most learned and the most pious of them."   There's no such information in the Quran of Iblis being a keeper of Paradise before he was cursed by Allah.   Allah has not mentioned the name of anyone being the keeper of Paradise in His Final Message.

Poor peacock.  How Ibn Kathir slanders an innocent bird and a creation of Allah.  I'm sure this concept of the peacock is borrowed from some ancient Zoroastrian fable passed down by the Persian convert imams who never lost their attachment with their ancestral pagan Zoroastrian religion. 

I would also like to add, a few weeks ago we were having an after-dinner discussion at a family gathering on Verses 19 to 25 of Surah Al-Araf where Allah mentions of granting Paradise to Adam and his wife and prohibiting them from eating of the forbidden tree.  And then Satan whispers to Adam and his wife with deceit, tempting them  to eat of that tree and they fall into Satan's temptation.   Someone asked, how did Satan whisper to Adam and his wife?  Did he enter Paradise or did he approach them in some other way?   The answer to this question is in Verse 27 of Surah Al-Araf, quote:

"O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not."  (7:24).

Prior to Verse 7:24, Allah also mentions about Satan response in Verses 7:16-17 "He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray, verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path.  Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right hands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee)"  (7:16-17).

The contents of Verse 7:24 and Verses 7:16-17 clearly indicate that Satan's temptations to misguide humans are from the unseen.  When Satan tries to misguide people, he doesn't come and introduce himself to them nor does he 'personally' chat with them.  Rather, he simply puts sinful ideas in peoples' minds & hearts invisibly.   Or, he could lure humans through other misguided humans who have already made a friend of Satan by falling into his temptations.

Coming to the incident in Paradise, Satan was already an outcast at the time he deceived Adam and his wife.  This incident happened after Satan refused to obey Allah when he was commanded by Allah to bow down before Adam.  Therefore, there is no question of Satan ever being allowed to enter Paradise.   According to my understanding, Satan seduced Adam and his wife from the unseen by inspiring them with misguidance and wrong hopes as Allah states "he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not."

Allah is the All-Knower and All-Powerful.   Not even a leaf can fall from a tree without Allah being informed of it.  It is IMPOSSIBLE for the enemy of Allah to enter Paradise with the help of a peacock (or anyone for that matter) without the knowledge of Allah and against the will of Allah.

May Allah Almighty grant the direst punishment to Ibn Kathir and all those Zoroastrian converts who are slandering Islam with such deplorably false and stupid myths. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2013, 03:42:14 pm »

JazakAllah sis heba for ur feedback with Quranic verses and thanks alot for useful additional detail of Surah Al-Araf explanation .  I too was surprised with  azazil story and the concepet of the keepers of Paradise .U are right i agree with ur view about ibn kathir  ,i have  also checked little bit of ibn kathir's famous book '' stories of prophet's  it contain so much unnecessary information it is really a story book i don't know how these false stories impress the peoples  ?  that's very sad these folks target peacock, how rudely blaming this innocent creature as the expelled birds of paradise that's why i hate these  people so-called scholars and their books ,i am fed up with scholars views which always collapse with Quranic view but none have any concern and people just blindly forward Such baseless stupid fiction stories concerning shaitan.  Quran does not allow us to fabricate lies neither did the prophet (pbuh) so why are the grandparents doing it  ? I am so upset with it. yes  sis this is indeed a tragedy because After hearing the such fabricated stories in childhood, childrens  simply grow up as fake,false stories believers, hadith followers it's shame for the people ,parents ,especially grant parents  those who don't hesitate or avoid to telling childrens false fiction stories without verification and committing sin of speaking  lie as well  rather value the time passing , give some good knowledge to children,recite them short  Quran surah, verses with few explanation to increase their own Hasana( good deeds)  shaitani technology fiction is enough to ruin childrens life ...

There is only one authentic book and it is The Noble Quran Alhamdulillah ,May Allah save our generation and guide ummah ameen
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2013, 06:57:55 pm »

You're right sister Muslima.   The medieval so-called scholars were on a vicious campaign to deceive the entire Muslim community of the world from their childhood.  That's why they didn't even spare children's stories with lies.

And yes, there is only ONE true and authentic Book - the Noble Quran.  May Allah, The Almighty, guide us with the light of the Quran only.  Ameen ya Rab.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2013, 06:58:46 am »


And yes, there is only ONE true and authentic Book - the Noble Quran.  May Allah, The Almighty, guide us with the light of the Quran only.  Ameen ya Rab.


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