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« on: June 14, 2013, 01:34:25 pm »

 salamem

 
what to do whith the darkest vision of hadith ?  Angry Only Limited knowledge and vast empty mind's could made such statment ! Though hadithest folks have nothing to do with The divine book revealed to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but have too much info over wahi..yes this is a low sound of hadith ! hadith likened sound of wahi to the sound of bells and buzzing honey bee i wasn't aware of this nonsenses , got to know when bumblebee took flight and started buzzing off one of friend's daughter tried to hit the bee ,to stop her daughter (age of 6) for this act granny said a freak thing !!  don't hit may be it's from holy bees  Shocked my friend said yes i also have heard that bee received wahi ( Prophet pbuh received wahi via bee )  Shocked but forgot which bee is that ..!! is that true ,she asked me  i was like ,excuse me, have u guys forgot to take ur medicine to day or what !  her Hadithest sister made unnecessary efforts and jumped up with bunch of false stories so called narration ,or hadith or whatever they called(i have found few)  and said to me ! it's also written in Quran so why are u so surprised haven't u read that ? ! it was honey bee not bumbelbee who received wahi ..It become argument when her elder hadithest sister quote me Quran verse to defend hadith  Angry 


 1: Ringing of Bells: The Holy Prophet (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said that 'there are times when I hear something like the chiming of bells and this mode of Wahy is the hardest on me. After that, when this chime-sequence ends, that which has been said by the sound seems to have been committed to my memory. And there are times when the angel appears before me in the shape of a man.' (Sahih al-Bukhari, 2/1)

2: Low volume Sound:There were times when a low-volumed sound of this Wahy was sensed by others as well. Sayyidna 'Umar (RA) says: When Wahy came to him, a sound somewhat similar to the buzzing of honey-bees could be heard close to his most bright face. (Tabwib Musnad Ahmad, Kitab al-Sirah al-N abaviyah, 20/212)

 

Q: Did The revelation the beloved Prophet (pbuh) received from Allah was from diffrent sources ?

Q: which type of wahi honeybee received ? is that (Quran verse) revelation or guidance ?

Q: Does Noble Quran mention that divine verses ever revealed via honeybee ?



According to Quran study answer is' NO ' because Quran revealed via one source and that's angel jibrail .

check Quran verse 26:192-193 & 16:102. 

 

Recalling briefly  for readers !!

 

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh),final messenger ,the last of Allah's messengers, received the revelation of the Quran through a special messenger sent by Allah for this purpose, the Angel Gabriel/jibrail, who recited to him Allah's exact words.In Quran verse 26:192-193, 16:102 Here Jibreel is described as the ‘Holy Spirit’ ’, Ruh-hul Ameen the Trustworthy Spirit’’ . Jibrail’s role was to deliver the scripture from Allah in its entirety, without modification, error, alteration, translation, commentary or otherwise. Jibrail was not to share the information in the scripture with other angels or others, reveal it's contents, verses, portents and prophecies nor allow it to be tampered with.

 

Second there is diffrence between wahi (book revelation ) and guidance and we can't see Noble Book with our limited vision .
 

Meaning and Forms of Wahi


The Arabic verb awha (revealed), from which the noun wahi (revelation) is derived, occurs in a number of shades of meaning in the Quran, each of them indicating the main underlying idea of inspiration directing or guiding someone. The following examples show some of these types of wahi.Wahi refers to Allah's guidance also through Inspiration,suggestion ,indecation etc
 

Examples !!
 


Guidance in natural intuition the mother of Prophet musa(pbuh)) received 'awha' to put her baby into the river and not to fear
 

And We inspired the mother of Moses, saying: Suckle him and, when thou fearest for him, then cast him into the river and fear not nor grieve. Lo! We shall bring him back unto thee and shall make him (one) of Our messengers. 28:7



Guidance by signs


Pickthall
He said: My Lord! Appoint for me some token. He said: Thy token is that thou, with no bodily defect, shalt not speak unto mankind three nights.19:10

 
Yusuf Ali
(Zakariya) said: "O my Lord! give me a Sign." "Thy Sign," was the answer, "Shall be that thou shalt speak to no man for three nights, although thou art not dumb."
 

Then he came forth unto his people from the sanctuary, and signified to them: Glorify your Lord at break of day and fall of night.19:11



Guidance from Allah

When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.8:12




The Earth will be inspired (awha) on The Day (99:5)


Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate 41:12

(The various heavens were inspired (awha) to perform aspecific function)

 

Guidance in natural instinct The bees were inspired (awha) to build habitations in the mountains and trees.

 

وَأَوْحَىٰ رَبُّكَ إِلَى النَّحْلِ أَنِ اتَّخِذِي مِنَ الْجِبَالِ بُيُوتًا وَمِنَ الشَّجَرِ وَمِمَّا يَعْرِشُونَ

 Waawha rabbuka ila alnnahli ani ittakhithee mina aljibali buyootan wamina alshshajari wamimma yaAArishoona



And thy Lord inspired the bee, saying: Choose thou habitations in the hills and in the trees and in that which they thatch;16:68

 

Yusuf ali translation

 And thy Lord taught the Bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations



some other translate it wahi !

And your Lord has sent Wahi towards the honey bee... (16:68)

 

 16:68 is the verse which hadith misused, misinterpreted but here the word Wahi has a literal meaning and is also used as a term. It is used in the literal meaning (to put something in the mind) . Allah taught honey bee without Allah's guidance honey bee will not be able to make honey.that's it .So It is clear that Allah's creation have the ability to receive 'wahi' from Him(if HE Almighty wants) in various capacities But the tragedy of this ummah is jahalt, imam based imaan  Angry and narrators are unable to understand a depth of complex information, they are fail to riches the wisdom and knowledge of most dynamic book The Noble Quran. they can't grasp it infact .

 

Q: what the verse 16:68 -69 actually carries ?


Zoology & feminine liberty and much more ...

 

ثُمَّ كُلِي مِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ فَاسْلُكِي سُبُلَ رَبِّكِ ذُلُلًا يَخْرُجُ مِن بُطُونِهَا شَرَابٌ مُّخْتَلِفٌ أَلْوَانُهُ فِيهِ شِفَاءٌ لِّلنَّاسِ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَةً لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ

16:69

 
For the word "eat": "Kuli" is for females; "Kul" is for males. The Quran used "Kuli" (females).
For the word "follow a path": "Usluki" is for females; "Usluk" is for males. The Quran used "Usluki" (females).
For the word "their bellies": "butuniha" is for females; "butunihim" is for males. The Quran used "butuniha" (females).


The worker bees, those who gather pollen from flowers,They forage for nectar , build, protect and clean the hive, and regulate the temperature within the hive by beating their wings. and make the honey, are actually all females. The male bees do not make honey.The gender used in the Quran in these Verses is a female gender ‘kuli’, or ‘faoslukee'/ fa Usluki" ’ which means for a ‘Female bee’. Isn't amazing, indeed it is ! Quran speaks about the gender of the worker bee 1400 plus years ago which men have discovered today.Fon Frisch, who is a scientist, he got the Noble Prize in 1973, when he described the behavior of the animals, specially the communicationmethod of the bee .Quran mentions the bee, which leaves its home in search for food, in the verses that discusses honey (Quran 16:68,69) Does anyone except an expert know how to differentiate between a male and a female bee? Even today, let alone prophet's time, 1400 plus years back, we need a specialist to differentiate between a male and a female bee.even today , if u don't know about any rasearch Can u tell the difference between a male and a female bee? it takes a specialist to do that, but it has been discovered by Quran . The Noble Quran is accurate when it mentions that the female bee leaves its home in search for food, the males never leave their homes for food, it is the females who have to feed them,in verse 16:69 The colors of honey vary as stated in the Quran they change according to the climate, season and weather conditions and the sources where nectar is obtained ,also In the field of Medicine we know honey has got high nutritive values.It is rich in vitamin K and Fructose, and it has got mild antiseptic properties,anti -bacterial properties .In addition to its rich vitamin content, among its components are also such minerals such as calcium, potassium, magnesium, sodium, phosphorus as well as such metals as copper, iodine, iron, zinc, and hormones,




 So pathetic if any scientists, zoologist , biologist who studies whole life to prove something , one might say oh woow what a great research, why don't they Damn look into own divine scripture as well ? why don't they damn remove the lenses of hadith ? this uneducated behaviour is a reason of downfall of muslim ummah ,this is Not only book which one can hold as religious book ,the author is our creator , this Noble book addresses vast subjects but the culture of running round and round around the hadiths and false chain of narration have choked the brain of muslims with fixed information what max our muslims brother and sisters want them to become muslim rather than study the Noble Quran ..It is only Allah, the Creator of all things, who revealed such details one word of the Quran is sufficient to prove that Quran is from non other than Allah..


Also in your creation and spreading of the animals are signs for people of assured faith. 45:4

 
Thus There is no inspiration (wahi) mentioned in verse 16:68 - 69 it show that this hadith interpretation is absolutely wrong . I'm still a student myself , correct me if am wrong ,any further, feedback , guidance and correction would be very appreciated Smiley

 



Honey Bee



 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Frisch

Karl von Frisch studied the European honey bee (Apis mellifera carnica).
Bee perception

 

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1973

Karl von Frisch, Konrad Lorenz, Nikolaas Tinbergen

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1973/frisch.html

 



if u are interested here is extra info over honey bee (pdf)

 
Studying honey bees

http://blc.arizona.edu/courses/182Lab/GroupResProj/IndiOrgs/Studying%20honey%20bees.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2013, 01:45:42 am »

Walaium as-Salaam.
MashAllah, a very thoughtful topic and wonderfully explained sister Muslima.

Right on, totally.

I really enjoyed going every bit of this post.  Indeed very educational.  No, I don't have anything to say to correct you dear sis.  You are 100% right  Smiley    The brief video is also awesome and very well documented.

I agree, apart from Divine Revelations, wahi also has a few more connotations of a slightly different kind as you described with excellent references to the Noble Quran.   I think in the case of bee, the term "inspired" might also mean the natural instinct which Allah put within them to make the beehives .. a source of honey.

I never knew of this particular bungling by Hadith confusing the meaning of wahi in V.16:68 and coming up with such a gross misinterpretation of 'wahi coming through bees.'  LOL! 

Many thanks sister Muslims.   Allah bless.

 


 
what to do whith the darkest vision of hadith ?  Angry Only Limited knowledge and vast empty mind's could made such statment ! Though hadithest folks have nothing to do with The divine book revealed to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but have too much info over wahi..yes this is a low sound of hadith ! hadith likened sound of wahi to the sound of bells and buzzing honey bee i wasn't aware of this nonsenses , got to know when bumblebee took flight and started buzzing off one of friend's daughter tried to hit the bee ,to stop her daughter (age of 6) for this act granny said a freak thing !!  don't hit may be it's from holy bees  Shocked my friend said yes i also have heard that bee received wahi ( Prophet pbuh received wahi via bee )  Shocked but forgot which bee is that ..!! is that true ,she asked me  i was like ,excuse me, have u guys forgot take ur medicine to day or what !  her Hadithest sister made unnecessary efforts and jumped up with bunch of false stories so called narration ,or hadith or whatever they called(i have founf few)  and said to me ! it's also written in Quran so why are u so surprised haven't u read that ? ! it was honey bee not bumbelbee who received wahi ..It become argument when her elder hadithest sister quote me Quran verse to defend hadith  Angry 

 Cheesy Cheesy      I enjoyed this too .......  Grin

Btw .. there's an animated image of a bee crawling below in my signature.  The Hadithists may think it's getting ready for receiving "wahi"   Grin
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 Cheesy Cheesy      I enjoyed this too .......  Grin

Btw .. there's an animated image of a bee crawling below in my signature.  The Hadithists may think it's getting ready for receiving "wahi"   Grin

exactly u never know what they really think ..   LOL ,  Cheesy

JazakAllah kahir dear sis heba for ur comment and appreciation . Smiley
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