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« on: October 06, 2013, 12:24:17 pm »






Recently a bill was passed in Iran allowing male guardians to marry their adopted girls aged 13 and below, if the court decided it was in the interest of the girl.  If this bill is approved by the country's Guardian Council, it will become law.  The Guardian Council is a 12-member council in Iran which wields immense power.  No legislation can be accepted without its approval.  To put it briefly, this law is anti-Quranic.  It comes entirely from the corrupted Hadith, the details of which are explained as follows.

First check Verse 33:5 from Surah Al-Ahzab.

"Proclaim their real parentage. That will be more equitable in the sight of Allah. And if you know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith, and your clients. And there is no sin for you in the mistakes that you make unintentionally, but what your hearts purpose (that will be a sin for you). Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful." (33:5) Al-Ahzab - Noble Quran.

The same law applies to adopted daughters. The verse clearly portrays a platonic, non-sexual relationship based on mutual coordination, help and affection similar to one's dealings with their own children within a household. Neither are adopted sons non-mehram (or marriageable) for the women who adopt them nor the adopted daughters non-mehram (or marriageable) for the men who adopt them.

Now let us check Verse 4:23 of Surah An-Nissa.  This verse mentions a complete list of all female relationships with which marriage is forbidden.  You can look up the entire verse on your own.  Below we will quote only a specific part of Verse 4:23 that is connected with this topic.

"Forbidden unto you are your ........ and your foster-mothers, and your foster-sisters ......" (4:23) An-Nissa (Noble Quran).  Translation: Muhammed Marmaduke Pickthall.

V.4:23 forbids marriage with foster mother and foster sister. The same law applies in the case of foster father and foster brother.  It makes it clear that if a woman cannot marry her foster son, similarly a girl cannot marry her foster father.  Adoption is a still closer bond than foster relationship as it confirms permanent guardianship.  Hence, if marriage isn't allowed between foster parents and foster children, there's NO way it can ever be allowed between adopted parents and adopted children.  These rules have been acquired from corrupted institutions of Hadith and Shariah which have nothing to do with the Quran.

The Hadith following translators have played their old trick by wrongly translating Verse 4:23 in order to keep it compatible with Hadith.  In their translations, along side the words "foster-mothers" and "foster sisters" they have mentioned in brackets 'those who have suckled you' and 'those who have been suckled by the same nurse as you,' respectively  .... thus introducing the concept of guardians marrying adopted daughters. 

To explain this more clearly, we need to remind you of a specific false hadith which claims that breast feeding establishes a mehram or platonic relationship between a man and woman.  It claims that if a man is breast fed by a woman other than his mother at any period in life (shocking as it may sound, Hadith allows breast feeding of adult men), she becomes mehram or unlawful for marriage to him.  According to the same false idea, the hadith also propagates that if two non-related male and female are breast fed by the same nurse during their childhood, they become mehram or unlawful for marriage to each other later in life.  This is simply a hadith fabrication.  It is NOT endorsed by the Quran nor does medical science confirm that mere breast feeding by an outsider changes the biological setup by creating motherly or sisterly relations.   Yet, the hadith followers have used this gimmick to promote marriage between a man and his adopted daughter by mistranslating Verse 4:23, claiming that foster mothers and foster sisters are unlawful for marriage only if the foster mother has breast fed that man or that man and his foster sister were breast fed by the same woman during childhood.  By this, the Hadith implies that if the issue of breast feeding (or suckling) does not exist, then that man can marry his foster mother or his foster sister.  With the same perspective, the Shariah legalizes marriage between adopted daughter and the man who adopts her.   Filthy, downright shameful and totally un-Quranic !!

As mentioned, an adopted child is even closer to its guardian than a foster child. While foster carers look after children on behalf of someone else which may not be a permanent arrangement, in adoption the man or woman who adopts a child becomes the permanent legal guardian. A legal guardian who gives their word to care for the child as a parent cannot take back their word, deciding to become a sexual partner. That would amount to violation of a promise, sexual abuse and gross injustice to the child. No girl in the world, after knowing that the man who adopted her and cared for her as a biological father since she was a baby, would ever desire sex with him as a teenager or a grown woman, unless she is abused and compelled.

The reason why the Quran mentions the term "foster" and not "adopted" in Verse 4:23 is because in the 7th century adoption centers didn't exist as they do today. If a child became orphaned, they would generally be taken over into other households by extended families, close friends or neighbors.  Sometimes an orphan child would be transferred to three or four different homes by the time they reached age 18.  That made them foster children rather than adopted children by definition. However, there is no practical difference in relationships between a foster home and an adopted home as far as the child is concerned. And marriage between foster relationships is plainly forbidden (Haram) in the Quran. The same law must apply in adopted relationships. That goes without saying.

Look at it this way:  You adopt and raise a little girl from the time she is one, two or three years of age.  You assume the role of a caring and responsible dad for more than a decade.  Would you be able to marry her by the time she is 13 or 14 or 15?  Even if she 18 or 19?  After looking upon her as a daughter since she was a toddler, will your fatherly instincts change when you view her as a teenager approaching womanhood just because you know that she is not your biological daughter?  If yes, then there is something seriously not right with you! 

There is another truth that is being intentionally ignored by the Hadith and Shariah crowd.  The Quranic values and principles completely clash with the idea of marriage of underage girls. The institution of marriage and its responsibilities have been articulately highlighted in the Quran. Marriage is categorically portrayed as an accountable pledge that brings with itself the duties of raising a family, managing a household, managing family relationships, inheriting & handling the husband's assets. It's not humanely possible for a minor girl aged 13 or under to face such issues.  For more details on marriage of underage girls not endorsed by the Quran, please read our earlier post "The Noble Quran does NOT mention marriage of underage girls."
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 12:08:27 am »



.... allowing male guardians to marry their adopted girls aged 13 and below, if the court decided it was in the interest of the girl. 

How can such a thing ever be in the interest of the girl?   Moreover, who is the court to decide what is in the girl's interest?   Wouldn't the right thing to do  be to wait until she reaches age 18 at least, and then let her think what she considers best in her interest. 

I really like the way you brought the issue of foster mother and foster sister.  That's a clear indication that adopted children cannot be anything but mehram.   

Supreme Leader is supposed to be the ultimate voice in all decisions.  If he doesn't like a bill, he can easily block it.  But I'm sure he will allow this foul law because Muslims today (both Sunnis and Shiias) express their loyalty to the man-written laws far more readily than the Divine Noble Quran. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2013, 06:47:36 am »

I read this a week ago and it turned my stomach.  The ironic part of it is that the Shiias often refute the Hadiths on Aisha's child marriage (which I don't accept either), yet they end up introducing the same false and filthy law in their own society by blatantly violating the Quran. 

Your careful analysis is very accurate and brilliant sister Zeynab.  But I know how the minds of bigoted traditionalists work.  Their cowardice will never allow them to read through it because they know they don't have any answers.   The fact that they are defending a vile law which downright violates the Noble Quran matters least to them.  And of course, the Islamophobes love such laws to be implemented which gives them the green light to lambast Islam.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2013, 07:18:30 am »

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 Well addressed Excellent sis zeynab Thumbsup

@ Okay language excuse in advance


what the F* Marrying ur adopted daughter ??  Angry ,It is a great insult to a daughter ,such horrific idea of legal rape to promote domestic sexual violence is clash with Quranic rules , it will prove that born -muslim men lives for their piece of flash ONLY  ,they are not believer's  ,such ill men whoever think of it, is stigma on father 'name  marrying one's underage adoptive daughter is NOT an Islamic act, HELL AWAITS THEM , It is haram ,A sin, it is equal to rape ur own daughter ,damn just imagine it would cause a kind of psychological and physical trauma to a underage girl, who used to call u father and after few years dad bcome a sex sick beast for her ??  what would she call u dad or huby ? Or a bastard. Angry
 

Allah hath not assigned unto any man two hearts within his body 33:4
 

مَا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لِرَجُلٍ مِنْ قَلْبَيْنِ فِي جَوْفِهِ

in the following verse Allah addresing man !!
 
(33:4:4)

lirajulin - لِرَجُلٍ  -  for any man
 
The same person cannot be a believer and a hypocrite, truthful and false, wicked and righteous, at one and the same time. He does not have two hearts in this chest,
 
My Question TO bloody sick people, U rascals ask urself if u are a believer can u be a father and a husband at the same time ??   u jerks law makers , just stop watching teenage girls prone movies
 
Isn't a shame for the nation of Prophet Muhamad (pbuh) to adopt the girl with future planning ? old age sexual pleasure !! great investment eh smart dad  ? Quran talks specifically about helping and protecting orphans,adopting and subsequently raping an orphan obviously neither helps or protects them , the people supporting this law are sick and do not represent  the religion of Ibrahim (pbuh) ,
 
@Guys Big blunder involved here these men are twisting and misquoting the Quran verse also for their own sick desires.
 
nor hath He made your wives whom ye declare (to be your mothers) your mothers, nor hath He made those whom ye claim (to be your sons) your sons. This is but a saying of your mouths. But Allah saith the truth and He showeth the way. 33:4
 
And he has not made your adopted sons (and adopted daughters) your sons.(daughters).
 
Please i request throw some light here as well  for those who trying to legitimate this sick, shameful ,unQuranic  law. by saying  ! since the Adopted children's never become biological children to Adopted person so there is nothing wrong in marrying the man who adopted her BUT 33:4 has nothing to do with this false calim .


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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 08:08:44 am »

Dear Sister Muslima ..... I agree with every word you stated.  These type of Hadith and Shariah laws are completely against the Quran and against human nature.   Thus, I would like to ask the Iranian court, how can they ever consider such a ruling as being in the interest of the girl as they claim for giving the permission of marriage to the male guardian? 

You are also right in pointing out that many of these people have purposely misunderstood Verse 33:4 by portraying it as any male and female who are not biological members of the same immediate family are non-mehram.  It's awfully sad that they intentionally make themselves blind to Quranic verses and Quranic principles.  The most important and clearest rebuttal is Verse 4:23 which categorically says NO to marriage between foster parents and foster children.  That automatically rejects / abolishes even the slightest idea of marriage between adopted parents and adopted children.  If you check the difference between a foster home and an adopted home as Sister Zeynab has elucidated in her post, it will further clarify this issue. 

The self-motivated traditionalists misconstrue the event of the Prophet's marriage to Zainab bint Jahsh to justify non-mehram relations between adopted guardians and adopted children.  This is a totally wrong & vile perception.  First of all, Zainab was not the Prophet's adopted daughter.  She was his cousin, his aunt's daughter and the wife of a man whom the Prophet (pbuh) supported financially for some years.   Also, there is a huge difference between one's relationship with an adopted son and the wife of an adopted son.   Secondly, Zaid who is spoken of as the Prophet's "adopted son" was not exactly adopted the same way as one would adopt an infant from an orphanage to be raised as a son permanently in their household.  Zaid was a slave.  The Prophet (pbuh) freed Zaid and took over the responsibility of financing and feeding him because as a newly freed slave Zaid had no means of supporting himself.  We don't know for sure exactly what may have been Zaid's age when the Prophet made him a free man, but he was surely not a small child.  Then, after a few years the Prophet arranged his marriage with his cousin.  But the marriage was short and unsuccessful because both Zaid and Zainab found they were not compatible with each other.  After Zaid divorced Zainab, he is also reported in several historical pages to have left the city and relocated elsewhere because by that time he was independent and a free man very much on his own.  It was at least several months later or probably as long as a couple of years after this divorce that the Prophet (pbuh) married Zainab as was mutually decided between them, Zainab's status being back to what it was formerly - a single woman and the Prophet's cousin.  And marriage between cousins is of course allowed in Islam.   This event has absolutely NO bearing whatsoever on the sort of offensive laws which the Hadith and Shariah are spinning around with twists & turns to justify their misinterpretations of marrying off underage adopted girls to their male guardians.   
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 04:25:16 pm »


 If you check the difference between a foster home and an adopted home as Sister Zeynab has elucidated in her post, it will further clarify this issue. 

The self-motivated traditionalists misconstrue the event of the Prophet's marriage to Zainab bin Jahsh to justify non-mehram relations between adopted guardians and adopted children.  This is a totally wrong & vile perception.  First of all, Zainab was not the Prophet's adopted daughter.  She was his cousin, his aunt's daughter and the wife of a man whom the Prophet (pbuh) supported financially for some years.   Also, there is a huge difference between one's relationship with an adopted son and the wife of an adopted son.   Secondly, Zaid who is spoken of as the Prophet's "adopted son" was not exactly adopted the same way as one would adopt an infant from an orphanage to be raised as a son permanently in their household.  Zaid was a slave.  The Prophet (pbuh) freed Zaid and took over the responsibility of financing and feeding him because as a newly freed slave Zaid had no means of supporting himself.  We don't know for sure exactly what may have been Zaid's age when the Prophet made him a free man, but he was surely not a small child.  Then, after a few years the Prophet arranged his marriage with his cousin.  But the marriage was short and unsuccessful because both Zaid and Zainab found they were not compatible with each other.  After Zaid divorced Zainab, he is also reported in several historical pages to have left the city and relocated elsewhere because by that time he was independent and a free man very much on his own.  It was at least several months later or probably as long as a couple of years after this divorce that the Prophet (pbuh) married Zainab as was mutually decided between them, Zainab's status being back to what it was formerly - a single woman and the Prophet's cousin.  And marriage between cousins is of course allowed in Islam.   This event has absolutely NO bearing whatsoever on the sort of offensive laws which the Hadith and Shariah are spinning around with twists & turns to justify their misinterpretations of marrying off underage adopted girls to their male guardians.   



yeah sis reading it again emm okay , sis heba ur response of Prophet's marriage to Zainab bin Jahsh benefits me a lot. Inshallah i will squeeze them in our next discussion with this reference . Jazak Allah kahir my sis Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 04:51:17 pm »

Dear Sister Muslima ..... I agree with every word you stated.  These type of Hadith and Shariah laws are completely against the Quran and against human nature.   Thus, I would like to ask the Iranian court, how can they ever consider such a ruling as being in the interest of the girl as they claim for giving the permission of marriage to the male guardian? 
   



The oldies gang of guardian council and guys of iranian court have got successful Treatment For their Sexual Weakness in this age and are dying to back in sexual practice in this century that's why they have approved this law for the interest of every men. This is a plain interest of men 's sexual desires alone , Iranian political and religious leaders ,Iranian scholars and activists  have took very wrong step against Divine law and against the Quran shariah and  against the children in Iran. I am feeling so sorry for those little girls who will grow up as feature sex slave this law will break the moral values of islamic society,sexual exploitation of girls which needs to be denounced rather than permitted by the law . Father is strong support for girl approval of this gross law will destroy the image of father ,father will not remain ideal example of foreman rather will be a sinful sex investor , the best interest of the child ,of a girl is recognized to be the right to life, joy, security, education and healthcare, important duty of the guardian is to assure physical and emotional security of the child such destructive bill increases violation of women and girls right. It's a crap , adoptive father can have sexual relationship with his adopted daughter because now nothing forbids them from being together , adopted innocents girls are not safe even from Mahram guardian. Cry This bill is a crystal clear example of male superiority over female body in Iran,this bill should be condemned strongly. Angry iranian court will be questioned in the court of divine justice harshly Inshallah
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 08:25:17 pm »


Exactly sis.  Father is such an important and affectionate member of every Muslim family.  These corrupt laws will tarnish the image of a daddy.   And just imagine how much the Islam haters will gossip about it.  Yes, Iranian court will have to answer to Allah for this gross violation.  Of course Iran is not alone in it.  Similar incidents are happening in Saudi Arabia and Jordan that I know of and probably other countries too which we haven't heard of yet. 

You might not believe this, but last year around March or April of 2012 an even worse law began spreading in Egypt which was 'imported' from Morocco as a fatwa from a mentally ill imam called "farewell intercourse law" and according to this fatwa that sick imam said both men and women are allowed to have sex with their deceased spouses until 6 hours after their death.  My head began spinning with shock when I read it.  The Brotherhood government was even thinking of introducing a bill on this law in the Egyptian parliament for acceptance just as the Iranian majlis is preparing to send its bill to the guardain council.  There was lot of noise and anger from majority of the Egyptian people and then it went quiet.  But the minority of Salafist traditionalists who supported MB government supported it.  I have all its details and the sources of that news.   I will put it up here soon.  It was the most shocking of all.  They are all crazy .... totally crazy.  This is what happens when people lose the fear of Allah from their hearts and become too busy obeying their human imams and sheikhs.   And none of them want to admit the faults of their evil mentors. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2013, 03:37:15 am »

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"farewell intercourse law" ??   WTF* is this  Huh sis  u gave me a shock


men and women are allowed to have sex with their deceased spouses until 6 hours after their death
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I Can't believe it how far Muslims are going down morally, seriously am shocked I could never imagine it happening ,  Women are merely cheap possessions by men in this part of the world but in muslim culture this is getting worse under the men made laws so called sharia law .whether it's Moroccan sheikh,egyptian sheikh  or arab sheikh every woman is prostitute for them,female organ mutilation is a way of life in Egypt,in fact to all sick muslims, who are muslim by name ,If this law is passed, then the muslim would have never considered even human. Now  i am wondering  they didn't think to cut and keep the part of the woman's organs ,  Angry bastards now they need to put  iron rod into their ass hole for little bit satisfaction.

yeah sis am looking forward for ur detailed put up ..
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2013, 05:15:30 am »

Yeah, sister Heba is right.   This story began going around in Egypt last year, 2012.  A sick Moroccan imam came up with it and then it started spreading among the wahabi Brotherhood community of Egypt but the better people protested against it. The former MB government denied that the parliament was considering to make it a law.  But even then, such a unspeakable thing should not even circulate in a human society.  This is not just completely un-Islamic, it's completely unhuman.  Animals will never even think of doing such a thing.  In fact, animals are very respectful & sober toward their dead ones.

The following are the links:

Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/26/farewell-intercourse-law-egypt-parliament-dead-wife_n_1455241.html

Al-Arabiya:
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html

Daily Mail:  (In this Egyptian Brotherhood authorities have denied it but it was being talked about in the society which is bad enough).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Egypts-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-DEAD-wives-branded-completely-false.html


And when this government was kicked out, Iran supported it and demanded that it should be reinstalled.

The Moroccan sheikh who first said it is called Zamzami Abdul Bari (never heard of this necrophiliac bastard).  He gave this fatwa in 2011 and then in 2012 with Brotherhood's influence growing in Egypt, the idea started spreading in Egypt.  But thank Allah this government got thrown out in July this year. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2013, 05:22:54 pm »

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Zamzami Abdul Bari said that marriage remains valid even after death adding that a woman also too had the same right to engage in sex with her dead husbands.

That shaiytan should have been asked about this ill joke ?  It is clear again ,that unhuman law supported men to rape dead body  Angry And advices women to masturbation with the dead body of husband ? That sick idea was open path of shaiytan ,  Thumbsdwn

Bunch of thanks sis Heba i was not aware of this shit and thanks sis  Zeynab for those links , i am really surprised to read what was that actually !! the last episode to show the sickness of sex or revenge ?? Why this brutal crime against dead person ? the idea of sexual crime with dead body is against the dignity of human..
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2013, 06:14:48 pm »

 I've received plenty of horrific shocks from the talks of sick clerical circles but this one from the Moroccan imam was by far the worst !!  Unspeakable !!!!   It plainly amounts to necrophilia which is a psychopathic crime.  Imam Abdul Bari and all those who helped in propagating this criminal obscenity within their communities in Morocco and Egypt are a band of sex mafia and a clear danger to humanity who ought to be in high security madhouse prisons for the rest of their lives .... in fact I would suggest it would be preferable to give them the death sentence without much fuss before they corrupt the human society any further with such unthinkably filthy & immoral notions. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2013, 10:10:19 pm »

Yes, it's absolutely sickening.  It becomes even worse to know that no so-called Muslim spoke up against it, neither Shiias nor Sunnis.  They only kept saying "it's a lie" and completely overlooking the viciously disgraceful nature of this violation.
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