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During the recitation of surah al baqarah i came accross the verse 2:246 to 2:251 and in the comparison of translations i have found Muhsin khan's translation where he mention the name Samuel,which i never noticed before so i started looking for the link of this name and also the story of talut and jalut which leads me to the endless stories and the name of prophet samuel in bible stories stock ,some of islamic informers also support the prophet samule as shammil A.S/(Samuel عليه السلام) .In this regard Ibn kathir as usual on top to support biblical history in his book stories of prophets . As believers we know that No single Scripture is 100% pure and accurate But the ONlY Quran and Allah Almighty declares that the Bible is corrupt and full of falsehood So when the Noble Quran does not recognizes the Bible as a HISTORY BOOK with errors and man's alteration in it then how could we accept Bible and Hadiths are closest to the Truth?
Info about prophet samuel/shammil From the different sources 1: Story of Prophet Shammil/Samuel (pbuh) Ibn Kathir
http://www.islamawareness.net/Prophets/shammil.html 2:By name Samuel is mentioned in the Bible In fact one book of the Old Testament is in his name some says Allah appointed Samuel prophet to Bani Israel also samuel was a descendant from Ephraim (a son of Yusuf)?
3: samule is male givien name from a Hebrew origins,Samuel means in English “the name of God’’ or 'God has heard" and other meaning are ‘asked God’ as the mother Hannah, asked God for Samuel because she could not conceive, and have children
4: Hannah and Samuel are from Bible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_%28Bible%29 In the biblical narrative, Hannah is one of two wives of Elkanah; the other, Peninnah, who bore children to Elkanah, but Hannah remained childless.Nevertheless, Elkanah preferred Hannah. Every year Elkanah would offer a sacrifice at the Shiloh sanctuary, and give Penninah and her children a portion but he gave Hannah a double portion "because he loved her, and the LORD had closed her womb" (NIV). One day Hannah went up to the temple, and prayed with great weeping (I Samuel 1:10 ), while Eli the High Priest was sitting on a chair near the doorpost. In her prayer she asked God for a son and in return she vowed to give the son back to God for the service of the Shiloh priests. She promised he would remain a Nazarite all the days of his life.
Eli thought she was drunk and questioned her. When she explained herself, he sent her away and effectively said that her prayer would be heard and her desire granted. As promised, she conceived and bore a son. She called his name Samuel, "since she had asked the Lord for him" (1 Samuel 1:20 NAB). She raised him until he was weaned and brought him to the temple along with a sacrifice. The first 10 verses of 1 Samuel 2 record her song of praise to the Lord for answering her petition. Eli announced another blessing on Hannah, and she conceived 3 more sons and 2 daughters, making six in total.
Q: First of all Quran has not given samuel name, so can we accept this name and say that Quran presented him as `a Prophet` of Bani-Israel after prophet Moses/ Musa (pbuh) ? As our scholars and the stories lovers say's prophet samuel is mentioned without name but reference is in the verses 246-248 of Surah Al-Baqarah. As the name of
Prophet samuel shammil / عليه السلام) . I don't know how to accept because i don't see the name of propht Samuel/ (Shammil ) pbuh in arabic text of following verse ?
Surah Al Baqarah
أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الْمَلَإِ مِن بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ مِن بَعْدِ مُوسَىٰ إِذْ قَالُوا لِنَبِيٍّ لَّهُمُ ابْعَثْ لَنَا مَلِكًا نُّقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ قَالَ هَلْ عَسَيْتُمْ إِن كُتِبَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْقِتَالُ أَلَّا تُقَاتِلُوا قَالُوا وَمَا لَنَا أَلَّا نُقَاتِلَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَقَدْ أُخْرِجْنَا مِن دِيَارِنَا وَأَبْنَائِنَا فَلَمَّا كُتِبَ عَلَيْهِمُ الْقِتَالُ تَوَلَّوْا إِلَّا قَلِيلًا مِّنْهُمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمِينَ
Bethink thee of the leaders of the Children of Israel after Moses, how they said unto a prophet whom they had: Set up for us a king and we will fight in Allah's way. He said: Would ye then refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you? They said: Why should we not fight in Allah's way when we have been driven from our dwellings with our children? Yet, when fighting was prescribed for them, they turned away, all save a few of them. Allah is aware of evil-doers
2:246 Q: Is the above2:246 verse directly refering this prophet as to prophet dawud pbuh/ king david ? Is that Prophet samuel Or david /dawud(pbuh) ? I couldn't find any reference to him (samuel ) in anywhere in Quran, But it does not mean Allah didn't send any prophet in between the time of prophet moses(pbuh) and david /dawud(pbuh)because Quran says !! Verily We sent messengers before thee, among them those of whom We have told thee, and some of whom We have not told thee
40:78Talut and Jalut (Saul and Goliath) story is also in Quran 2:247 to 2:251 وَقَالَ لَهُمْ نَبِيُّهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ بَعَثَ لَكُمْ
طَالُوتَ مَلِكًا قَالُوا أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لَهُ الْمُلْكُ عَلَيْنَا وَنَحْنُ أَحَقُّ بِالْمُلْكِ مِنْهُ وَلَمْ يُؤْتَ سَعَةً مِّنَ الْمَالِ قَالَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ اصْطَفَاهُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَزَادَهُ بَسْطَةً فِي الْعِلْمِ وَالْجِسْمِ وَاللَّهُ يُؤْتِي مُلْكَهُ مَن يَشَاءُ وَاللَّهُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ
Their Prophet said unto them: Lo! Allah hath raised up Saul/ Talut to be a king for you. They said: How can he have kingdom over us when we are more deserving of the kingdom than he is, since he hath not been given wealth enough? He said: Lo! Allah hath chosen him above you, and hath increased him abundantly in wisdom and stature. Allah bestoweth His Sovereignty on whom He will. Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.
2:247@ Along with Ibn Kathir, Muhsin khan also support the name of samuel in his translation ....
2:248 Muhsin Khan
And their Prophet (
Samuel ) said to them, "Indeed Allah has appointed Talut (Saul) as a king over you." They said, "How can he be a king over us when we are better fitted than him for the kingdom, and he has not been given enough wealth." He said: "Verily, Allah has chosen him above you and has increased him abundantly in knowledge and stature. And Allah grants His Kingdom to whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower."2:248
Pickthall
And their Prophet said unto them: Lo! the token of his kingdom is that there shall come unto you the ark wherein is peace of reassurance from your Lord, and a remnant of that which the house of Moses and the house of Aaron left behind, the angels bearing it. Lo! herein shall be a token for you if (in truth) ye are believers.2:248
And when Saul set out with the army, he said: Lo! Allah will try you by (the ordeal of) a river. Whosoever therefore drinketh thereof he is not of me, and whosoever tasteth it not he is of me, save him who taketh (thereof) in the hollow of his hand. But they drank thereof, all save a few of them. And after he had crossed (the river), he and those who believed with him, they said: We have no power this day against Goliath and his hosts. But those who knew that they would meet Allah exclaimed: How many a little company hath overcome a mighty host by Allah's leave! Allah is with the steadfast.
2:249 And when they went into the field against Goliath and his hosts they said: Our Lord! Bestow on us endurance, make our foothold sure, and give us help against the disbelieving folk.
2:250Q: Here also I need ur help to understand the verses and history link which said (The lands stolen by the Philistines ) ? if i am not mistaken then It is talk about judah (jews) clan of philistens ? Or not ?
According to the short history which i have heard but it's not confirmed to me , After the punishment and wandering in the desert for 40 year's or more undetermined length of time
,(This piece of truth is now confirmed to me which is mention in Quran verse 5:26 (Their Lord) said: For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will wander in the earth, bewildered. So grieve not over the wrongdoing folk. . Confirm this one plz ! The Children of Israel/Bani Israel entered the Promised land and split into two distinct kingdoms, time passed and their moral condition deteriorated, and the children of Israel remained lost and weak until Allah sent Prophet to guide them back to the true path to worship One God, without partners, sons, daughters, or rivals.That prophet presumed Samuel ,I thought it was Dawud (pbuh). And then The children of israel wanted their king like others ?
Q: Biblical history also said saul /talut was from the tribe of Benjamin, he is presumed to be the brother of prophet yusuf (pbuh) ,son of prophet yaqub (pbuh) , as i also saw that in the movie of (prophet yusuf ) ?
In Talut and Jalut (Saul and Goliath) story V 2:246 to 2:251 history says Saul was from a lowly tribe but Quran simply say's that most children of Israel considered saul unworthy for such greatness because he(saul ) also has not been given any measure of wealth .Prophet /Samuel explained that this was of no consequence since God had already decreed that Saul be the King. Samuel / prophet presented Saul to the children of Israel saying Indeed God has appointed Saul (Talut) as a king over you. (V 2:247) However the continued to complain and object asking for a sign from God that Saul was indeed fit to be their king. God decided to provide the children of Israel with the sign (or miracle) they demanded..And their Prophet said unto them: Lo! the token of his kingdom is that there shall come unto you the ark wherein is peace of reassurance from your Lord, and a remnant of that which the house of Moses and the house of Aaron left behind, the angels bearing it. Lo! herein shall be a token for you if (in truth) ye are believers.2:248. Saul was officially appointed King. He established and prepared army in order to take back the lands stolen from the children of Israel ???
Q:The lands stolen from the children of Israel By judah (jews) philistines ?
V 2:249 King Saul took his army through a series of tests in order to assure that his fighting force was made up only of pious yet strong willed men saul kept only the few who had obeyed him and proved their sincerity. The army faced Goliath and the Philistines .
Q: The army of the Philistines was commanded by Jalut/Goliath ? is the judah(jews) clan of philistines army ?.
At last david/ Dawud (pbuh) won a good deal of appreciation and popularity because he rescued his people from those grave dangers which prevailed over them. As reward Talut (Saul) appointed him Commander of his army and gave his daughter in marriage to him(prophet dawud) and letar dawud become their king . (Here alos Biblical history said ! Talut promised that whoever killed Jalut, would marry his daughter and would share his kingship and authority. He kept his promise. Later, the kingship was transferred to Prophet Dawud in addition to being granted Prophethood by Allah.) .Allah revealed the Zabur (Book of Psalms) to Prophet Dawud (pbuh)We gave to Dawud Zabur. 4: 163. It contains lessons for the guidance of children of Israel .
Q: IS David serves in saul's army V 2:251 ?
Muhsin Khan
So they routed them by Allah's Leave and Dawud (David) killed Jalut (Goliath), and Allah gave him [Dawud (David)] the kingdom [after the death of Talut (Saul) and Samuel] and Al-Hikmah (Prophethood), and taught him of that which He willed. And if Allah did not check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief. But Allah is full of Bounty to the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
Pickthall
So they routed them by Allah's leave and David slew Goliath; and Allah gave him the kingdom and wisdom, and taught him of that which He willeth. And if Allah had not repelled some men by others the earth would have been corrupted. But Allah is a Lord of Kindness to (His) creatures
I am a bit confused and need some clarification. Ur help required please ?