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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2014, 08:53:39 am »

Assalam Alaikum
I am pasting here my reply to a friend's assertion that the punishment of a rapist is stoning to death for your review and wise comments.Praise to Allah who guided me to answer befittingly to his assertion.
But the most important point and the whole idea of posting my reply here is that I am stunned to note Bukhari and Ibn Majah's narrations regarding missing verse in Quran.I would like that someone posts those two narrations under different topic so that people may understand how authentic is Bukhari and others.
My reply is as under:-
The punishment to a rapist by stoning him to death,
No, it is not.Sir!
(Qur'an 24:2)
"This is a chapter We have sent down and made obligatory. We have sent down understandable revelations in it so that you may take heed: strike the male and the female adulterers and fornicators (الزانية والزاني) one hundred times. Do not let compassion for them keep you from carrying out Allah's law if you believe in Allah and the Last Day - and ensure a group of believers witnesses the punishment."

Dear Bro.I am asking you a question.WHAT IS HALF OF DEATH?
If the punishment of Zina is Rajm (Death) then how can we establish Half of death? Please refer to Qura’n Sura Al-Nisa Verse 25 .Here is the translation “Pickthall
And whoso is not able to afford to marry free, believing women let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith. Ye (proceed) one from another; so wed them by permission of their folk, and give unto them their portions in kindness, they being honest, not debauched nor of loose conduct. And if when they are honourably married they commit lewdness they shall incur the HALF OF THE PUNISHMENT (prescribed) for free women (in that case). This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
We note from the above verse that the punishment of a wedded woman from the category of 'right hand possess' is half that of a free believing woman who commits the same indecency. If the punishment for adultery for a free woman was ever stoning to death, what would amount to half of death in the case of a married woman from the category of 'right hands possessed' and who was also guilty of adultery?

If we believe that Allah Himself is Protector and Guardian of Qura’n then where these unfounded lies about Quran stand? And where the fabricator of undermentioned Hadith stands?
Sunan Ibn Majah Book of Nikah Hadith 2014
"Reported ‘Aisha: ‘When the verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times  was revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and placed under my pillow, when the Messenger of God (pbuh) expired and we were occupied by his death, a domestic goat entered and ate away the paper."

The following hadith from Sahih Bukhari implies that the verse once existed and was recited, but eventually was lost.
 SAHIH BUKHARI, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 817
 
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
This is a very lengthy Hadith but I am quoting the part which is relavent to the topic.
 
"... Ibn Abbas added: We reached Medina by the end of the month of Dhul-Hijja, and when it was Friday, we went quickly (to the mosque) as soon as the sun had declined, and I saw Sa'id bin Zaid bin 'Amr bin Nufail sitting at the corner of the pulpit, and I too sat close to him so that my knee was touching his knee, and after a short while 'Umar bin Al-Khattab came out, and when I saw him coming towards us, I said to Said bin Zaid bin 'Amr bin Nufail "Today 'Umar will say such a thing as he has never said since he was chosen as Caliph." Said denied my statement with astonishment and said, "What thing do you expect 'Umar to say the like of which he has never said before?"
 
In the meantime, 'Umar sat on the pulpit and when the callmakers for the prayer had finished their call, 'Umar stood up, and having glorified and praised Allah as He deserved, he said, "Now then, I am going to tell you something which (Allah) has written for me to say. I do not know; perhaps it portends my death, so whoever understands and remembers it, must narrate it to the others wherever his mount takes him, but if somebody is afraid that he does not understand it, then it is unlawful for him to tell lies about me. Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of married person (male & female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah's Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him.I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, 'By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah's Book,' and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed..."   
 If I believe this then whole idea of Islam crashes because the main source stands altered (I seek Allah’s refuge from words of Satan)

Do you believe that there are any missing verses in Qura’n?
It claims to be a book fully detailed complete and all that is required for right guidance and religion.

. إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ
Muhsin Khan
Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).
I hope I have answered your question and inshaAllah will be answering the remaining part soon.
I ask Allah’s forgiveness and guidance.
Stay blessed.

Now I would like to ask if there is any worldly punishment prescribed in Quran for A drunken person?and what is the punishment of a person who reverts to his old faith after accepting Islam?
Thanks Allah bless you all.
 



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