every one PS !
due to my sickness (having throat infection and fever ) i didn't joine this discussion & info section and the mosque is ,in another town where the, imam of mosque permits Muslims to drink water while fasting if they find thirst unbearable
,one of our sister , messaged me the topics and issues that's give me plenty of shocks ,though these both fatwa's were issued last year in 2013 but are under discussion this year ,am totally surprised , what's wrong with this ummah ? where the hell these corrupt leaders ,so called imams ,the iblisi jurists are taking the ummah ? shayateen are ruling over these imams and their cheela's body ,brain and heart… Majority of people amongst moroccan community are strongly against that imam who permits Muslims to drink water while fasting if they find thirst unbearable , and muntazimeen / directorate of mosque are trying to kick him out but unfortunately there are some people those who are working for shitan , are appears to agree also and trying to misguide others
that if u feel extreme of thirst than u can drinks little bit water and Allah will forgive u
, this nonsense rob my sleep and have made many of muslims restless, people themselves are trying to spreading awareness regarding this iblisi fatwa and informing each another to NOT to follow this shaitan imam .. Q :
my question is what about European countries like Finland and Norway, ? the sun sets for barely three hours. That means Muslims have to fast for more than 20 hours after which they only have a few hours to eat, drink and prepare for another long stretch of fasting. don’t they fast ?? what would be the next fatwa eat vegetables and avoid meat , fast like christians ?? Drinking is permissible during Ramadan fasting. ? this is a new battle between sunni’s and shia’s ( though Pakistani shia have already reject this fatwa )
<MOROCCO-WORLD-NEWS.jpg>http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2013/07/98301/iranian-cleric-says-it-is-ok-to-drink-water-while-fasting-in-ramadan/Iranian cleric says it is Ok to drink water while fasting in Ramadan
Thursday 18 July 2013 - 12:59
Morocco World News
By Omar Bihmidine
Morocco World News
Tangier, July 18, 2013
Zanjani Ayat Allah, an Iranian cleric close to reformists, issued a “fatwa” that permits Muslims to drink water while fasting if they find thirst unbearable, reported France 24.
“Those who cannot bear thirst can drink just as much as they need to quench their thirst. And this does not invalidate their fast,” the cleric was quoted by France 24 Arabic as saying.
The fatwa, which instantly went viral on social media, sparked a debate among other Iranian clerics and prompted some of them to respond to it.
Opposing the fatwa, Nacer Shiraazi, an Iranian cleric, said: ” fasting and drinking water do not go hand in hand. Any Muslim who drinks water by day during Ramadan undoubtedly breaks their fast.”
“Those who can’t bear thirst, due to an illness can drink water. But they have to make it up once they recover,” Shiraazi added.
Yet, according to Zanjani, the option to drink water is due to the summer heat and the long hours Muslims have to fast in some parts of the world.
Muslims must avoid putting their lives at risk, ” Zanjani added.
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July 16, 2013Drinking Water While Fasting: Reactions to a Controversial Fatwa
Is Ayatollah Zanjani’s Edict a Model to Breakthrough Religious Deadlocks?
A fatwa that allows Shiite fasters to drink water during their day-long fast that was issued by senior ayatollah Bayat Zanjani a few days ago has caught the attention of Iran’s media and is stirring controversy. The ayatollah Zanjani’s official website has acknowledged that after the fatwa a number of clerics had gone to the senior cleric’s house and raised their issues with him. In cyberspace too there has been much reaction because while the fatwa is not political in nature it does contradict the views of ayatollah Khomeini and ayatollah Khamenei.
A Fresh Look at Religion
On July 12, 2013 ayatollah Bayat’s website published a report that was rapidly reproduced in cyberspace. The story said that according to verified documents and detailed narratives connected to Imam Sadegh (one of the twelve revered Shiite imams, rightful successors of prophet Mohammad in Shia) those who fast but cannot tolerate the pressure of thirst may drink just enough water to stop the thirst which would not invalidate their fast and they do not have to refast. The author also wrote that this was not the original view of the cleric in his guide but that it was a new religious edict.
Among the first responders was Etemad newspaper which quoted seyed Reza Borghei Modarres from the Qom Theological Seminary and ayatollah Khomeini’s former representative in the Persian Gulf states. He concurred with the weight of the fatwa and said many similar viewpoints had been made in Shiite figh (jurisprudence) in the past and added that “we cannot be very strict” about enforcing Shiite rules or insist that only the rules be the standard.” He concluded that a learned mujtahid could announce his fatwa based on prevalent conditions. In short, he said the fatwa was legitimate and could be followed. He also called Bayat’s fatwa a “bold” act and added that Islam was not a frozen or rigid religion.”
Mohammad Ayub Kazemi is another cleric who welcomed the fatwa and echoed Bayat’s arguments and logic. He also praised Bayat and even went further by saying Bayat maybe the cleric who can break through the religious bottlenecks that currently exist and mentioned some areas where they exist to be music, relations between men and women, the hijab, relations between people and authorities, economic issues, etc.
Parsineh website also published a story supporting the fatwa and quoted a number of other ayatollahs who had said drinking was permissible during Ramadan fasting.
But the majority of the official media in Iran remained silent on this indicating that there are those who do not approve of it. Mehr news agency also wrote about the “controversial fatwa over drinking water during fasting” and wrote that senior clerics had said that such an act would invalidate the fast, as they referenced the views of ayatollah Khamenei, ayatollah Makarem Shirazi and ayatollah Sistani to support this.
Science is Good, but not Modernity
Mehdi Khalaji, an Islamic scholar wrote on his Facebook page that issuing a fatwa like that “would not reconcile Islam with the human and society’s modern condition.” He added that this was done merely to please the young and become “modern.” He concluded that to be a mujtahid (a senior cleric who is acknowledged to issue religious edicts) requires that the person be knowledgeable, not that his fatwas be modern.
An Authoritative Cleric with a Blocked Website
In Shiite Islam, a marjae taghlid (senior cleric who can be the source of emulation for others) must have many credentials, including the publication of a religious book. And even though marjae taghlid have had a prominent political and religious position in contemporary history, it has never been clear as to how they attain that title and authority. This is why it is not clear who in fact is a marjae taghlid in Iran.
Some specialists on religious issues have argued that in recent years with the dominance of the supreme leader of the Islamic republic, theological centers have come under the influence of political considerations and some clerics have been boycotted while others supported.
After the 2009 presidential election, ayatollah Zanjani took positions of support for Mir-Hossein Mousavi and condemned officials for their confrontation of the protestors. His website has been blocked since 2010. These days, he is not recognized as a marjaetaghlid in Iran’s official media, even though he had been elected to parliament and has served in the Majlis.
آیت الله بیات زنجانی؛ گشودن گره کور فقاهت؟
15 July 2013https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/international/iran-cleric-muslims-can-quench-thirst-in-ramadan Iran cleric: Muslims can quench
thirst in Ramadan
A decree by a senior Iranian cleric that Muslims can quench "extreme thirst" during the Ramadan fasting month has stirred debate in the Islamic republic's clergy, media reports said Thursday.
"Those who cannot bear extreme thirst can drink just enough water to quench it. This would not break their fast," said the fatwa by Grand Ayatollah Assadollah Bayat Zanjani, who is seen as close to reformers.
But his fatwa quickly came under fire from Grand Ayatollah Nasser Makarem Shirazi.
He ruled out "fasting and drinking at the same time", and reiterated that any break in the fast must be compensated for by fasting on some other day in the year.
Media reports also referred to decrees by supreme leader Ali Khamenei and Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani according to whom "a state of weakness or thirst does not merit a break in the fast".
But Zanjani, who is based in the holy city of Qom, said Islam allows some breaks in fasting.
He said this would depend on "certain climatic and geographical conditions", given that in countries such as Iran Ramadan fasting can last up to 16 hours in summer.
Those who "fall sick when fasting or if the fasting deteriorates an existing illness", or "workers who work hard for a long day" can drink if it means their survival, Zanjani said on his website.
People in such cases also do not have to compensate by fasting on some other day, he added.
"Imam Sadegh [the sixth Shiite imam] himself said that people can drink if it is to save their lives," Zanjani argued.
During Ramadan, Muslims refrain from eating, drinking, smoking and having sex between sunrise and sunset.Battle of fatwas in Iran: Can Muslims drink water while fasting?http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=60196
second fatwa is plainly a F* shit , it seems like sex is oxygen for men , majority of married sisters were completely in shock , the storm of question doubts and fears unanswered , just loud and hard fruity words coated with abusing and cursing for any imams http://www.maghrebdailynews.com/2036-moroccan-pjd-preacher-issues-a-fatwa-allowing-sex-during-ramadan.htmlMoroccan PJD preacher issues a fatwa allowing sex during Ramadan Posted: 5:33 pm, March 29, 2014
The Moroccan preacher, Ahmed Dini Choukairi member of the PJD, a Muslim Conservative party that has won several ministerial portfolios in the Moroccan government, issued a fatwa allowing sex between a married couple during the fasting day of Ramadan.
This religious aphrodisiac Fatwa has raised social network buzzes. Social networks users reminded the preacher to have a sense of priorities.
Morocco leaded by PJD Islamic party is struggling with a severe economic and social crisis like most Arab countries and also facing an endemic corruption.http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2014/03/126552/morocco-pjd-member-authorizes-sexual-relations-during-ramadan-daytime/Morocco: PJD Member “Authorizes” Sexual Relations During Ramadan Daytime
Wednesday 26 March 2014 - 11:23
Aziz Allilou is a student at the Higher Institute of Media and Communications (ISIC) and Morocco World News correspondent in Rabat.
Rabat- A Member of Justice and Development Party (PJD) issued a new Fatwa legalizing sexual relations during Ramadan daylight hours.
Abdelbari Zamzami is no longer the only Cheikh specializing in the “excitement” fatwas, but rather part of a new group of “jurists” who are leading figures in the political parties, participating in the governmental coalition in charge of the issuing of “sexual fatwas.”
The latest politician to enroll was Ahmed Choukairi Dini, a member of the National Council for Justice and Development Party. Choukairi issued a new fatwa permitting engaging in sexual relations during Ramadan daytime.
According to Akhbar Alyaoum, Ahmed Choukairi Dini permitted “having sexual intercourse for the traveling couples.”
Choukairi quoted some hadiths, reports of the deeds and sayings of the prophet Mohamed, in which he argues “Sheikh Ibn Outhaďmin allowed the traveler to sleep with his wife, with or without preliminaries during a day of fasting.”
According to the same source, the odd fatwa says “while fasting in Ramadan, a husband is recommended to caress and kiss his wife in order to get her ready for sexual intercourse after iftar (break the fast) later at night.”
According to Akhbar Alyaoum, this fatwa stirred controversy, in particular because a PJD government coalition leader issued it. “Many people expressed astonishment that Mr. Ahmed Choukairi, the PJD member and the former member of the executive committee was busy thinking of having intercourse in a legitimate way, rather than chasing corruption,” Akhbar Al Yaoum reported.
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MOROCCO – NEW FATWA ALLOWS SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP DURING RAMADAN DAYLIGHT HOURS
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Ahmed Choukairi Dini, a member of the National Council for Justice and Development Party, recently issued a new fatwa permitting engaging in sexual relations during Ramadan daytime. He thus joined a group of leading politicians in issuing “sexualfatwas”, a domain once occupied solely by Abdelbari Zamazmi, a member of the Justice and Development Party who popularized the issuance of “excitement” fatwas. But not everyone is pleased with this new fatwa, with critics slamming Ahmaed Choukairi Dini of “busy thinking of having intercourse in a legitimate way, rather than chasing corruption”.
According to Akhbar Alyaoum, the new fatwa by Ahmed Choukairi Dini essentially allowed “having sexual intercourse for the traveling couples”. Ahmed Choukairi Dini quoted some hadiths to support his fatwa, saying: “Sheikh Ibn Outhaďmin allowed the traveler to sleep with his wife, with or without preliminaries during a day of fasting”.
Reportedly, this fatwa by Ahmed Choukairi Dini went on to say that “while fasting in Ramadan, a husband is recommended to caress and kiss his wife in order to get her ready for sexual intercourse after iftar (break the fast) later at night”.
Akhbar Alyaoum described this fatwa as controversial, the reason being that it was issued by Ahmed Choukairi Dini, a Justice and Development Party government coalition leader. The report said that “many people expressed astonishment that Mr. Ahmed Choukairi, the Justice and Development member and the former member of the executive committee was busy thinking of having intercourse in a legitimate way, rather than chasing corruption”.
Think About It
Should politicians be issuing fatwas, let alone “sexual fatwas”? In a wider context, should politics and religion mix? Or should they be kept separate from each other?
Posted in: Family & Relationships ⋅ Tagged: ahmed choukairi dini, akhbar alyaoum,excitment fatwas, ramadan, sexual fatwas, sexual intercourse, think about it Shia Imam Says it is permitted to have sex in fasting through anus. And fast remain valid
A rough translation of this urdu text in pic :
Ahmad bin Muhammad narrated from some Koffan and it is a Marfo narration that Imam Jaffar Sadiq (Rah) said, If a man satisfied his lust by coupling her woman through anus, although the woman is fasting. Then the woman’s fast remain valid and bath is not obliged to her.