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« on: July 14, 2014, 09:11:33 pm »

After the vile clerical decree of allowing Muslims to sip water while fasting, another similarly offensive fatwa is by a sheikh in U.K. to shorten the hours of fasting in summer.  To condone it he misinterprets the Quran.  To further misguide the Muslim masses he brings up nonsensical and non-binding ahadith along with examples of people working nightshifts. 

The following is his fatwa.  I would advise all to read it because we must be aware of the details of misguidance in order to protect ourselves from it and thus avoid deviation from the Quran. 

After reading the fatwa between "quote" and "unquote," please check our comments as to why we reject it as thoroughly un-Quranic.


QUOTE:
Fatwa by Sheikh Dr. Usama Hasan (London, UK) given on 2nd Ramadan 1435 or 29 June 2014.

1. A number of people have asked me since last year about the excessive length of fasting during UK summer months.

2. This has included those new to the practice of fasting, elderly and middle-aged people, who wish to fast but simply cannot manage the very long days. Since last year, I’ve heard reports of such people in hospital, as well as of children falling seriously ill, due to fasting more than 18 hours per day.

3. The day length in London this year during Ramadan is almost 17 hours *sunrise-sunset*. Since there is no agreed beginning of dawn, the dawn-sunset timings vary from 19 to 20.5 hours.

4. The timings increase as we go further north, especially in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
a) E.g. I visited Dublin in June 2000: sunset prayers at the Dublin Islamic Centre (Clonskeagh Mosque) were held at 10.30pm, followed by night prayers at 12am and dawn prayers at 2am. Assuming dawn at 1am, this gives a 21.5-hour dawn-sunset fast.
b) On the other hand, I visited Stockholm in December 1999: sunrise was at 10.30am and sunset at 3.30pm. In winter there, the dawn-sunset fast is barely 6-7 hours, whereas it is 9-10 hours in the southern UK.

5. To reduce the fasting length, note that some of the Sahaba (Prophet’s Companions), including Hudhayfa bin al-Yaman, and Successors ate until sunrise or just before. Tabari and Ibn Kathir mention numerous narrations proving this under Qur’an 2:187, although both of them reject the practice based on a literalist reading of the verse (they lived in moderate climes). Ibn Hazm also approves the practice in his Al-Muhalla.

6. The jurists have discussed this matter for high latitudes. As Sheikh Muhammad Abduh, Grand Mufti of Egypt, mentions in Tafsir al-Manar, classically they mentioned two possibilities to follow more moderate timings:
a) follow timings of the lands of revelation, viz. Mecca and Medina (Hijaz) – throughout the year, the dawn-sunset fast here is 12-15 hours
b) follow timings of the nearest “moderate land”
Abduh adds, “Both of these are valid, since it is a matter of judgment (ijtihad), and there is no unequivocal text (nass) about it.”

7. Note that following timings of the nearest “moderate land” is similar to following timings of the nearest “moderate time” in your own land, e.g. spring or autumn timings, when the days and nights are approximately of equal length.

8. Abduh is not alone in the above fatwa: he is quoting from centuries of earlier jurists. After him, his fatwa has been echoed by Muhammad Hamidullah, Mustafa Zarqa, Sayyid Tantawi, Jad al-Haqq, and Ali Gomaa amongst others. Texts and discussions of these fatwas may be found on the internet, e.g. see http://alrukn.com/long-fasts-fiqh/

9. The above fatwa implies partially decoupling fasting from dawn/sunset.
10. The spirit of fasting is clearly “from morning until evening” and to focus on its inner aspects, without hair-splitting about external matters.

11. The famous Qur’anic passage about fasting 2:183-7 begins and ends with taqwa (God-consciousness), and includes the memorable wisdom, “God wishes ease for you, not hardship … that you complete the course, magnify God for guiding you, and that you give thanks.”

This verse is in fact the basis of the numerous hadiths about making matters in religion relatively easy and not difficult, of the classical Hanafi principle of istihsan (attaining goodness, even if opposed to analogical reasoning) along with 39:17-18, cf. the first page of Kitab al-Istihsan in Al-Mabsut of al-Sarakhsi, and of contemporary jurists’ emphasis on taysir (easing matters), part of the Prophetic spirit and one of the principles of jurisprudence.

12. In exceptional circumstances, the Prophet (peace be upon him) understood that “morning” and “evening” were relative to people’s habits and culture.

Hadith: Safwan bin Mu’attal, who as a virgin was caught up with Aisha, Mother of the Believers, in the scandalous rumours that rocked Medina after the Mustaliq expedition, eventually got married. His wife once came to the Prophet and complained about her husband on three counts. (The Prophet defended and made excuses for him regarding all three matters.) One of these was that “he does not get up for the dawn prayer, and only offers it after sunrise when he rises.” When the Prophet asked him about this, he replied that his people or tribe customarily rose after sunrise, and not at the crack of dawn. The Prophet’s wise answer was, “In that case, pray when you wake up.” (Fa idha-stayqazta fa salli, a sound hadith in the Sunan, rated as authentic by Albani in his evaluation of the hadiths of Mishkat al-Masabih.)

Thus, for example, those who work night-shifts, working throughout the night and sleeping during the day, should fast during the night. This is because night has become day for them and vice-versa. The Qur’an that encourages fasting during the day also states that night is for sleep whilst the day is for work (e.g. 78:9-11).

13. An Azhari sheikh recently suggested to me that 12 hours’ fasting was sufficient, based on the average length of a day over a whole year: this is true of the sunrise-sunset day, for every place on earth. If we use dawn-sunset instead, we get 13-14 hours’ fasting. Note that this approach implies keeping a similar-length fast irrespective of the season in which Ramadan falls: in the winter, fasting would be much longer than the dawn-sunset timing, and some of us do follow that approach. This has an element of “continuous fasting” (sawm al-wisal, where fasting continues by night) about it: the Prophet practiced this regularly for several days at a time, but disallowed it for his followers, unless they were sure they could manage it.

14. I am reliably informed that Muslims in Norway use a 14-hour fasting timetable in the summer.

15. A case may be made for 16-hour fasts, based on Imam Ghazzali’s view that the maximum a person should sleep at night is a third of the day and night, i.e. 8 hours.

16. Insisting that those unable to complete long fasts should make them up at another time is practically equivalent to moving Ramadan out of the summer and into the seasons of autumn, winter or spring.

CONCLUSION / FATWA
All Praise belongs to God. Peace and Blessings be upon the Messengers of God.

1. Those who wish to follow dawn-sunset timings of 18-21 hour fasts and can do so safely, are free to do so.

2. Those who find this genuinely unbearable, or are convinced of the non-literalist approach of “morning to evening” rather than the literalist “dawn to sunset”, may wish to fast for 12 or preferably 14-16 hours, beginning from dawn, sunrise or even their usual morning meal (breakfast!). Such moderate timings are based on the fatwas of jurists over many centuries for high latitudes.

3. Whatever length a person fasts, they should not feel superior to others. The spirit of Ramadan and fasting includes God-consciousness, patience, perseverance, gratitude, prayer, worship, charity, generosity, humility, self-purification, self-development, helping others, mercy, compassion, forgiveness, lowering the gaze (of the eyes from lustful glances and of the heart from other than God)  and the remembrance and love of God.

May Allah, the One and Unique having Infinite Beautiful Names, bless all of humanity during this month, and shower upon us its internal and external grace.


UNQUOTE:


They are using Verse 2:185 to condone their bid'ah.  Let me quote that verse.  It has nothing to do with what they're implying.

"The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, (let him fast the same) number of other days. Allah desireth for you ease; He desireth not hardship for you; and (He desireth) that ye should complete the period, and that ye should magnify Allah for having guided you, and that peradventure ye may be thankful."  (2:185)  Al-Baqrah.

According to this sheikh, the underlined portion is supposed to justify shortening the hours of fasting by going according to the clock with a standard number of hours, whereas the Quran has already specified this issue according to solar positioning, that is, dawn to nightfall, regardless of the hours.  In Verse 2:185 when Allah mentions that He does not desire hardship for us, He refers to the concessions He has given us if we're unwell or traveling and cannot fast.  In those cases we either have to give charity or fast the same number of other days later on.  These jurists / imams have given a spin to it by picking and using this Verse OUT OF CONTEXT (as they always do) to achieve their own selfish motives and thus ignoring its actual contextual information.

If you read Verse 2:187, everything is crystal clear.  I don't think one needs to be a genius to discern that establishing a standard duration of 12 to 15 hours (or whatever) would be a deviation from the original and a transgression.  Concerning observing the timings of the "nearest land" can only be considered applicable if one is living in the arctic region - north pole or south pole - where nightfall and daylight persist for 6 months in winter and summer, respectively.  In such a situation obviously one cannot stay without food and water for 6 months (that's certainly not the purpose of fasting in the Quran) and neither would one want to skip fasting for 6 months altogether.  But this is an isolated case, a very isolated case.  Not even 0.1% of the world's 1.3 billion Muslim population live in the arctic regions.  As far as northern Europe, Canada, Russia etc. are concerned, one simply has to manage the long hours in summer.  At the moment with the month of Ramadan in its midst, I'm fasting for almost 18 hours and I'm not physically the strongest nor the youngest.  So it shouldn't be a big deal for those who are younger and completely healthy.  If one is not healthy with chronic health issues (regardless of age) then fasting isn't mandatory anyway.  They can compensate either by feeding or paying for food of a poor person for 30 days.  If they cannot afford that then simply ask forgiveness of Allah and worship for extra hours.  If a young and healthy person feels they aren't able to cope with summer fasting, then they should leave it and beg Allah  to pardon their weakness.  But they are NOT authorized to change what Allah has already asserted and neither are their manipulative mentors authorized to take any such steps.  That's definite. 

Confirmation by the Quran that fasting is to be from dawn to nightfall, reference Verse 2:187 as follows:

".. eat and drink until the white thread becometh distinct to you from the black thread of the dawn.  Then strictly observe teh fast till nightfall"  (2:187) Surah Al-Baqrah.

White thread becoming distinct from the black thread refers to the start of dawn or fajr when the earliest glimmer of light appears in the atmosphere.  That would be approximately 30 to 40 minutes prior to sunrise.  Allah commands us to observe fast until nightfall which means when the start of darkness has taken place.  That would be approximately 25 minutes after sunset or maghrib. 

Concerning direct commandments and practices, I go according to literalist reading of Quranic verses.  That's mandatory without a doubt, no matter what the "ijtahad" babbles.  "Ijtahad" is just another word for all the extra-Quranic violations that have arrived and have been imbibed into Islam from Hadith, fatwas and jurist decisions deviating from the Quran. We NEED to follow Allah, NOT their deviations.  Otherwise one is bound to end up misguided by altering the rules asserted by The Almighty directly as has been done by the former sects - Christians and Jews.
 
INDEED THERE ARE VARIOUS MATTERS IN THE QURAN FOR WHICH ALLAH ALMIGHTY EXPECTS US TO USE OUR COMMON SENSE AND MAKE DECISIONS ACCORDING TO OUR DIFFERING SITUATIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES KEEPING IN MIND THE GUIDELINES AND PRINCIPLES OF THE QURAN AS THE FOUNDATION.  BUT THOSE DIRECT COMMANDMENTS OR ORDERS AND ETHICAL VALUES THAT HAVE BEEN SPELLED OUR SPECIFICALLY AND CATEGORICALLY BY HIM FOR ALL TIMES AND FOR THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE LEAVE NO ROOM FOR BEING ALTERED NOR FOR WRANGLING.

Quoting Sheikh Usama Hasan: "Those who wish to follow dawn-sunset timings of 18-21 hour fasts and can do so safely, are free to do so."

As if he has the authority to give such orders.  Of course I will follow dawn to sunset timings.  We either follow Allah Almighty or we follow the pioneers of bid'ah.  For me the choice is very simple.  Of course I will follow Allah, and Allah only.


Quoting Sheikh Usama Hasan:  "Whatever length a person fasts, they should not feel superior to others."

Excuse me??  So, what he is implying is that whether you follow the Noble Quran or follow his ideas to overrule the Quran is the same.  Really?  Is it?  Will Allah see it that way??   The quantum of cheeky rubbish these people talk leaves my head spinning like a top!

Few more points from the fatwa for readers' information.

"ate until sunrise or just before."

Well yes, eating sahoor (sehri) until sunrise or until just before sunrise is fine.  This is precisely what has been stated in Verse 2:187 and the jurists have no authority to confirm that.  Allah has already confirmed it.   Also, there are many imams who order their naive disciples to finish sahoor 30 minutes or 40 minutes before fajr.  I ask them why?  When Allah has given His verdict, that's final and no further rules are required from the discrepant minds of humans.


"The spirit of fasting is clearly from morning until evening"

NO, not correct at all.  The spirit of fasting is from dawn to nightfall, NOT morning to evening (by which they mean sunset).  Every hour of fasting is important when you've made a pledge to Allah to fast the number of hours prescribed by him according to His dictate.  Again with reference to Verse 2:187, the Quran  categorically states we must break our fast at nightfall or leil, that is, at the start of the night when darkness has fully taken place.  That would be at least 25 minutes after maghrib.  Please note, fajr and morning (or subah) are 2 different timings.  The period before sunrise is called fajr or dawn.  Once the sun has risen, it's morning or subah.  Similarly sunset (or maghrib) and nightfall (or leil) are 2 different timings.  Maghrib or sunset is filled with a lot of brightness in the atmosphere.  One can see the color of the leaves and flowers, one can see the blue color of the sky on a clear evening.  When I'm driving my car, one can drive without putting on the headlights if the sky is clear.   Nightfall is complete darkness when nothing is visible without lights.  In various chapters of the Quran, sunset is described as "duluk as-shams" or "maghrib as-shams."  The darkness of the night is described as "leil."  In the Words of Allah Himself, fasting is from fajr to leil (dawn to nightfall).  There ought to be NO arguments on that after Allah has confirmed His decision. 

In V.2:187 the timings have been described as "Al-Fajri"  and "Al-Layli."  I quote the original Arabic as well:

"Wa Kulū Wa Ashrabū Ĥattá Yatabayyana Lakumu Al-Khayţu Al-'Abyađu Mina Al-Khayţi Al-'Aswadi Mina Al-Fajri  ۖ  Thumma 'Atimmū Aş-Şiyāma 'Ilá Al-Layli"    (2:187).

For complete info on this, please refer to our post at MV
"Be careful to break you fast at the right time"


"those who work night-shifts, working throughout the night and sleeping during the day, should fast during the night."

Wallahi!  According to this argument, there can be hundreds, if not thousands, of variations in the lives of different people.  So is everyone supposed to make alterations in their fasting hours for their personal convenience?  Isn't this exactly how the Christians and Jews gradually altered their entire concept of fasting which originally used to be the same as confirmed in the Quran?

To make a long story short, if someone is doing night shifts, that's their problem.  If they can manage the hours as given by Allah, so much the better.  Otherwise let them quit fasting and ask forgiveness of Allah.  That's as far as they can go.  It certainly does NOT give them the entitlement to change the Words and Laws of Allah.

Same goes for elderly people who want to fast but cannot in summer because of the long hours.  Let them try their best.  After that let them give up and implore Allah's forgiveness.  But they CANNOT take the Divine Law into their own hands and set a convenient  'flat-rate' set of hours for themselves.


"Such moderate timings are based on the fatwas of jurists over many centuries for high latitudes."

So what if the jurists have been proclaiming such fatwas for centuries?  Jurists have turned our entire Faith upside down by overruling the Quran and replacing Divine Laws with their personal choices over the period of centuries.  Do the "many centuries" involved make such obvious violations and deviations acceptable or righteous?  If so, then why blame the Jews and Christians?  Oh I forgot, our so-called Muslim imams and shiekhs actually do believe in the altered Old and New Testaments far more diligently and lovingly than they have ever cared for the Quran.  After all, aren't the Hadiths which are today the misleading face of Islam filled with tons of old altered Biblical laws that are completely unwarranted by the Quran?


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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 02:25:01 am »

This is another rogue attitude that has sprouted after the mass culture of Muslim immigration to the West.  Those Muslims immigrating to the West MUST keep in mind the changes they will have to cope with in other lands due to latitudinal / longitudinal differences.  Consequently those immigrating to the northern locations of the hemisphere, must know that they have two choices.  Either they accept the Quranic Laws unaltered and do their best within their capacity or simply quit performing their duties and admit their guilt before Allah.  But NO changing the Laws and Orders of Allah, no matter where you damn well live.

How easy it is for these goatlings to go by the ticking of their clocks and decide to fast fixed hours for winter and summer as per personal convenience.  What's rudely odious is that if according to the jurists every fatwa is engraved on stone that apart from the fatwa-giver no one has the authority to edit it, then how can they so easily alter the Laws of Allah?

Such haughty and purposeful transgressions are not worthy of forgiveness.  Conscientious believers need to seek refuge in Allah from the degradation of the minds and tongues of luke warm sources proliferating across this planet faster than I ever imagined.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 02:44:07 am »

What's rudely odious is that if according to the jurists every fatwa is engraved on stone that apart from the fatwa-giver no one has the authority to edit it, then how can they so easily alter the Laws of Allah?

Such haughty and purposeful transgressions are not worthy of forgiveness.

I couldn't agree more.


"Say: Would ye inform Allah of (something) that He knoweth not in the heavens or in the earth ?"  (10:18) Surah Yunus.

This verse refers to the guesswork of the idolaters who used to propagate the falsehood of idols, as if they knew more than Allah about the laws and occurrences in the heavens and the earth.   Allah, The Almighty, is the All-Knower, All Seer, Who knows every bit of future and every bit of past of this entire universe including the earth of course. 
 
Allah has established the Law of hours for fasting in accordance with solar movement throughout the months and years based on a specific purpose, so that we get the experience of fasting of every different duration of every season.  Do the fatwa givers think that Allah wasn't aware of the long days and nights during summers and winters in various countries in the northern hemisphere?  Do they think that Allah only created the Arab world and not the rest of the world?  Do they think that Allah is not aware of the laws of the universe?  Do they think that Allah is not aware that days keep getting longer in summer until June 21 of each year?  Let these insolent jurists of the "ijtahad" know that Allah is the Sole Creator of the entire universe and He has established every single law of science for which human scientists arrogantly and stupidly take the credit for themselves.

Establishing fixed hours of fasting DEFINITELY alters the Commandment of the Quran and its purpose as perceived and established by Allah.

Those who find summer fasting too hectic, and indeed it can be tough, then depending upon your strength of perseverance, either try your best or simply leave it with the hope of Allah's forgiveness.  But sheikhs and mullahs must get it clear that they cannot, absolutely cannot, alter Allah's Laws by tampering with the Quran and setting up their gimmicks called fatwas parallel to the Quran.  Such practices amount to some of the most brazen and serious forms of blasphemy.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2014, 03:27:22 am »

Salams to all of you my dearest sisters and brother.  All comments have elucidated very important and valid issues.  I've never heard of this sheikh, Usama Hasan, and I hope I never do in future.  These outwardly sleek spiritual criminals are a bad lot who need to be kept out of the lives of believers.

Quoting that guy:
"those who work night-shifts, working throughout the night and sleeping during the day, should fast during the night."

You're right Sister Zeynab.  With such fallacious perception, bid'ah can become endless and every violation of the Quran can be justified.  If working night shifts turns life the other way round, making nights into days and days into nights, then all 5 prayers as confirmed in the Quran at fixed times from dawn to nightfall should be declared null & void and new prayer timings should be made by the mullahs for night shifters from nightfall to dawn.  The distressing speed at which violations against the Quran are burgeoning, I really won't be surprised if some despicable creature called a "jurist" or a "shiekh" or a "scholar" comes up with a rogue and villainous fatwa, nullifying all 5 prayers because "Muslim immigrants in the West can't cope with the timings confirmed in the Quran." 

One point I have in mind.  Let me put it this way.  If the fatwa givers are so adamant for a change, why don't they change their own laws?  How about doing away with the ritualistic practice of Tarawi?  First, we know that Tarawi is not fard.  It's not a Quranic dictate because the Quran allows every individual to worship Allah in the method and duration they choose.  Tarawi is one method of worshiping Allah.  Alternatively, offering Isha prayers, doing the desired number of nafls and reading the desired number of pages of the Quran with thorough concentration is also a method of worshiping Allah, not to mention, a much more effective one.  This way you learn the Quran with every read.  No one ever learns anything about the Quran through Tarawi where the imam reads at a break neck speed without translation or any reflection or discussion. Furthermore, Allah does not tell us that we must finish the entire Quran during the month of Ramadan.  Ramadan is the month when the Quran was revealed, therefore we must pay greater attention to the Quran during this month by trying still harder to understand it.  And we can only implement the Quran into our lives if we understand it.  If you're doing that by reading even two pages a day after Isha or after Fajr or any time that suits you, it's a lot more fruitful for your soul than that blind ritual of Tarawi.  No attendee of Tarawi steps out of the masjid with more knowledge about the Quran than before.

The prime fatigue and crunch of time in daily schedule during Ramadan is because of Tarawi, particularly in summer months when people finish their Iftar by approximately 10 p.m. or later and barely get a few minutes to rush with their wudu and drive off to the masjid for Tarawi.  I can almost feel the exhaustion even as I write about it. Once these people leave for the masjid, it amounts to a flat 2 to 3 hours of outdoor time.  It takes one hour to finish Tarawi.  After Tarawi, they usually socialize meeting and chatting with friends in the masjids;  and then the time involved in driving/traveling to and from the masjid.  In non-Muslim countries, every Muslim neighborhood does not have a masjid.  In most cases, the nearest masjid could be 20 minutes' drive.  Alternatively, if they stay home after breaking their fast, offer Isha prayers along with some nafls and reading of some pages of the Quran (if they haven't already read it earlier during the day or during Fajr), it would take a maximum of one hour or less to finish everything and then they can simply go to bed.  Just imagine how much stress would be avoided and how much time would be saved.  Yet they won't consider it.  They don't want to change anything they impose upon themselves, but changing the Laws of Allah comes so easily to them. You said it right Sister Ruhi.

I truly seek refuge in Allah, The Almighty, from the evil and conceit of the human mind.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2014, 02:12:38 am »

Walaikum Salaam my dear, dear folks ... sisters and brother.  Your additional comments are so valid, insightful and heartening to read.  InshAllah we will leave no stone unturned in our efforts to unmask these so-called Muslims who are no different from Christian priests and bishops hellbent upon tampering with and changing the Noble Quran.  Let them know, their guile is a waste of time.  Since Allah has Himself taken the responsibility to guard the Quran, whatever deviations the enemies contrive will be exposed and rejected.  InshAllah, ameen.  Even their own disciples might stay silent over their sinful suggestions, but they too won't follow them. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2014, 02:41:57 am »

Walaykum Salam and ameen, ameen.



"Say: Would ye inform Allah of (something) that He knoweth not in the heavens or in the earth ?"  (10:18) Surah Yunus.
Allah, The Almighty, is the All-Knower, All Seer, Who knows every bit of future and every bit of past of this entire universe including the earth of course.  llah has established the Law of hours for fasting in accordance with solar movement throughout the months and years based on a specific purpose, so that we get the experience of fasting of every different duration of every season.  Do the fatwa givers think that Allah wasn't aware of the long days and nights during summers and winters in various countries in the northern hemisphere?  Do they think that Allah only created the Arab world and not the rest of the world?  Do they think that Allah is not aware of the laws of the universe?  Do they think that Allah is not aware that days keep getting longer in summer until June 21 of each year?

Alhumdulilah.  I couldn't agree more.



If working night shifts turns life the other way round, making nights into days and days into nights, then all 5 prayers as confirmed in the Quran at fixed times from dawn to nightfall should be declared null & void and new prayer timings should be made by the mullahs for night shifters from nightfall to dawn.

Exactly.  If they can change fasting hours and fasting rules which have been plainly specified in the Quran , then they're also capable of overruling salat timings as given in the Quran.

I really won't be surprised if in the coming years they declare zina to be Halal for "Muslims living in the West" and some slimy fatwa giving permission to Muslim youths in the West to visit bars and get pissed on weekends.  I put nothing past these creepy buggers, honestly.



The prime fatigue and crunch of time in daily schedule during Ramadan is because of Tarawi ....... How about doing away with the ritualistic practice of Tarawi? .... Alternatively, if they stay home after breaking their fast, offer Isha prayers along with some nafls and reading of some pages of the Quran (if they haven't already read it earlier during the day or during Fajr), it would take a maximum of one hour or less to finish everything and then they can simply go to bed.  Just imagine how much stress would be avoided and how much time would be saved. 

This is precisely what we do.  Since the last 3 years we've stopped going for Taravi in the masjid because we found it was serving no purpose and only adding to our fatigue and taking up much more of our time.  Now, after Isha we sit down  for nafls, and then read at least 4 rukus of the Quran with explanation.  It feels much more fruitful and enlightening, saves much of our time within the familiar n comfortable surroundings of home at our den beside the living room.  Alhumdulilah.

 
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2014, 03:20:22 am »

Ameen, ameen.

Brother TS, excellent points with Verse 10:18 so accurately quoted.



I really won't be surprised if in the coming years they declare zina to be Halal for "Muslims living in the West" and some slimy fatwa giving permission to Muslim youths in the West to visit bars and get pissed on weekends.  I put nothing past these creepy buggers, honestly.

Well, the buggers are already trying to justify lewdness through the hadith on wudu, that wudu water washes away the sins of zina.

Hadith on wudu washing away sins - I'm speechless on this one!



This is precisely what we do.  Since the last 3 years we've stopped going for Taravi in the masjid because we found it was serving no purpose and only adding to our fatigue and taking up much more of our time.  Now, after Isha we sit down  for nafls, and then read at least 4 rukus of the Quran with explanation.  It feels much more fruitful and enlightening, saves much of our time within the familiar n comfortable surroundings of home at our den beside the living room.  Alhumdulilah. 

How sweet Smiley   Exactly the same at our end, sis.  Wonderful practice.  May Allah grant us acceptance, ameen.  Doing our ibadat at home has helped to increase our knowledge of deen a lot, lot more than that drama of listening to the imams disrespectfully racing through the every juz of the Noble Quran.  It looks and feels so rude.  They forget that it's the Noble Quran and the hi-speed tarawi is not the way to read it.
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2014, 05:10:17 am »

  salamem everyone

inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji’un ......    انا لله وانا اليه راجعون

 Cry   Quran ko chor kar na is ummat ko skoon mile ga na hi hidayat

"Verily man is in loss, except such as have faith, and do righteous deeds, and join together in the mutual enjoining of truth, and of patience and constancy. 103:2-3


Shortening the fast? this  offensive jokes,  should be dismissed as baseless. Angry. so what if summer fasting timings are long ?  pore saal khate bhi tu rehte hain ? u won't die. please @ummah Don't listen to these scholars , todays sheikh ,so called aalim aur shaitan may Allah grant them humiliating punishment in this world as well ameen .
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Well, the buggers are already trying to justify lewdness through the hadith on wudu, that wudu water washes away the sins of zina.

Hadith on wudu washing away sins - I'm speechless on this one!

O yes!  I forgot about this obnoxious hadith used by lecherous scums who have the audacity to call themselves Muslims to justify their fornication and other transgressions by pouring water over their faces, hands and feet before salat thinking that they can deceive Allah. Hellfire will settle their account.

That reminds me of a very sad story.  A friend of my younger cousin who is a university student came to share Iftar with us last weekend along with my cousin and her family.  I was shocked to learn what that friend said.  She has a so-called Muslim friend who even dons a hijab, and yet visits the bar on Friday nights with her other friends (some of whom are so-called Muslims like her and some non-Muslims) wearing her hijab.  She boozes heavily, sometimes straight from the bottle.  We were left aghast and our jaws dropped!  With such offensively bold hadith insinuations and fatwas openly discarding the Quranic commandments, what else can one expect from the younger generation of Muslims?  It can only get worse with time.




Doing our ibadat at home has helped to increase our knowledge of deen a lot, lot more than that drama of listening to the imams disrespectfully racing through the every juz of the Noble Quran.  It looks and feels so rude.  They forget that it's the Noble Quran and the hi-speed tarawi is not the way to read it.

Indeed sis.   One learns far more and thus has a much greater feeling of accomplishment.  Alhumdulilah.

I find that term "hi-speed tarawi" interesting because it's so apt for the situation.  It's not just that such recitation is rude, but those who accept it without pointing it out are just as rude. 




Quran ko chor kar na is ummat ko skoon mile ga na hi hidayat 


Walaykum As-salam Sister Muslima

Quran ko toh es ummah nay kub ko chor diya hai.  Wo toh Hamari khush qismati hai kay Allah Quran ki hifazat kar raha hai.  Otherwise by now all 114 Chapters of the Quran would have been lost.   

If we focus on the trend of these fatwas - shortening the fasting hours and allowing people to drink water while observing roza - is exactly how changes began being initiated by the Christians and Jews and today after more than 2,000 years there is no such thing as fasting among them.  This is just one aspect.  The Message of Allah consists of a complete code of life with dozens of aspects pertaining to our lives.  Just imagine, if Allah had given the responsibility to the Muslims to preserve the Noble Quran, after almost 1500 years probably we wouldn't even have recourse to a few original verses any longer.

Praise be to Allah, The Almighty, for protecting His Final Message.  Otherwise we would be completely lost in the midst of all the misguidance of these sick and self-assertive clerics.  AstaghfarAllah.

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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2014, 08:02:03 pm »

 salamem thanks for reply sis i agree with u ... I would say such fatwas are huge misguidance  and encouraging those who are friends of shaitan .. Sad

Guys ! Sorry in advance if my further comment aren't fit in this post ,just need to comfort my heart so sharing it because this is most painful , awful , depressed ramadan for us ... we have heard the most unexpected words , mind shaking thoughts and opinions regarding Ramadan from our muslim brothers and sisters !! (@ Its based on Personal intro's, experiences , thoughts )   they says!!
summer fasting is not at all spiritual rather punishment , sorry to say it does not  strengthen our imaan , it's so exhausting ,our tongue gets hard with thirst and it does not gives any spiritual feelings at work honestly speaking we just want the month of ramadan to be end soon ..Sometimes we feels , we are stuck into community system to follow  islamic rituals whether one want or not  we have to keep fasting . we thing we don't fear Allah because Allah knows everything ,and He would understand us ,  but we do fear our muslim community and we bet not everyone but majority think the same ,but neither have courage nor trust each other to share these thinkings ,seriously  we don't have time to study entire islam in this hectic life , job , family etc , sometimes we too think why we are fasting , why we need to keep ourselves thirsty and hungry in this way ?? we don't know we don't have any answer ...  Don't  mind we are just telling you the truth , you won't understand because  this program is installed in you but we are not understanding it . Why we must fast for such long time  ? Its not benefits us , as it explained , We lose patines , we got headache , we eat At night time meals , which is unhealthy ? Then why ?
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Q: Just look around  and tell us ' look alone in muslim countries can U guys prove this claim that, Allah keeps Shaitan chained during Ramadan ? How ? Or there is no shaitan or humans are shaitan thats confusing  and funny too.   excuse us They laugh ...  Cry

Q: what are the barakah of ramadan ?? If Allah is merciful then why He is not helping innocent muslims are killing in gaza ??? Why the world looking for UN or USA to stop this brutal killing or why U guys are cursing arabs or other muslim world ? Yes we are losing our faith , we need miracle ? Do you have any answer ? Instead of UR quotes and quotations ..

I cant express my feelings in words what i felt ... Every word was useless at their sight ... Cry


Quoting Sheikh Usama Hasan:  "Whatever length a person fasts, they should not feel superior to others."

Quoting from sis zeynab !
Excuse me??  So, what he is implying is that whether  Will Allah see it that way??   The quantum of cheeky rubbish these people talk leaves my head spinning like a top!


Am 100% agree with sis Zeynab , My question is !! and what about these people those who are fasting , but internally they are not happy with it .??  And those who are very sincere to their faith and take the all Quranic laws as it is  ,never look for any excuse ,don't even  think in this way,  and never tried to change any divine law , never follow any shaitani fatwa or imam? Both are the same ? I wonder  What would Sheikh Usama Hasan say about it ??

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That reminds me of a very sad story.  A friend of my younger cousin who is a university student came to share Iftar with us last weekend along with my cousin and her family.  I was shocked to learn what that friend said.  She has a so-called Muslim friend who even dons a hijab, and yet visits the bar on Friday nights with her other friends (some of whom are so-called Muslims like her and some non-Muslims) wearing her hijab.  She boozes heavily, sometimes straight from the bottle.  We were left aghast and our jaws dropped!  With such offensively bold hadith insinuations and fatwas openly discarding the Quranic commandments, what else can one expect from the younger generation of Muslims?  It can only get worse with time.

Huh ??   Shocked   What kinda shit is this?   Who is she?  And how about your cousin's friend ..... I suppose she must be different?  I hope so ..... and she better guard herself lest she gets spoiled too. 

I can't understand what the heck is happening to this crummy world.
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2014, 09:13:21 pm »

Walaikum Salam Sister Muslima.   You're welcomed to share your thoughts.  That does indeed provide comfort to the heart and mind.

I'm not sure if I understand your point correctly.  Let me express what I presume and then please correct me if I'm wrong.

I suppose you're disturbed that people (probably so-called Muslims who consider themselves too "modern") are rejecting Allah by drawing face-value conclusions from the widespread sufferings in this world and blaming Allah for doing "nothing."  I think we have already talked about the attitudes of such short-sighted folks with limited minds in many of our discussions at MV.  There is no dearth of such mindsets and they're getting commoner.  To put it  briefly, they are misguided with a weak Faith with no concept of the Hereafter.  Otherwise many such queries wouldn't arise in their minds.  They are not taking into consideration that this world is a transitory spot for tests and sufferings (that have various grades) and how we handle them.  Even those who are living in happiness and comfort aren't enjoying a permanent situation rather they're being tried on how they utilize their privileges in a fleeting life.   

This planet isn't an earthly heaven, rather Heaven lies in another world for those who pass His judgement.  And no one can predict nor accurately define the basis of His judgment which is subjective according to the cases of each community and each individual in this world throughout all eras of history until the present and going to the future until the Last Day.  While Allah never burdens a soul more than it can bear, humans do burden other weaker humans with a lot more than they can take.  Hence, a single slip or blunder by a single individual in authority or a powerful community can result in a chain of misfortunes that could gradually affect millions of innocents with far-reaching consequences wreaking havoc in different parts of the world.   That's the law according to which this earthly world works and which results in a sequence of events.  That's the way it's been ordained by Allah.  And for this reason Allah keeps reminding us in His Final Message to be very careful about our Faith and conduct in order to avoid a regrettable mistake and the vicious cycle it may give rise to.

So we can imagine how many people and occurrences are in wait for Allah's judgement.  Some will be judged here and compensated.  But majority in the next world.  Thus, Allah highlights the aspect of perseverance or taqwa or patience.  "Inn Allah hey mais sabireen."  If, for whatever reasons, the Ummah has come to a point where its faith has crumbled to the extent that it cannot grasp such facts, then there's nothing you can do to revive them.  Allah Almighty tells the Prophet (pbuh) in the Quran  "Lo! thou (O Muhammad) guidest not whom thou lovest, but Allah guideth whom He will. And He is Best Aware of those who walk aright."  (28:56).  If the Prophet (pbuh) was not given the ability to guide those of his companions who were unworthy of Allah's guidance, how can we awaken those deviants of the Ummah who today indulge in the kind of irrational impatience and impertinence we see?  Lamenting over their misguidance is only a waste of our own time.

A strong faith is totally unflinching.  While those with a weak faith may blame Allah Almighty for the suffering of Muslims in Gaza and Burma, those Muslims themselves facing the ordeals in Gaza and Burma only become stronger and more committed to serving Allah  through their suffering.  Can you name any Muslim in Palestine or Burma who has caved in by abandoning their faith and embracing the ideology of the enemies to appease them?  Not even a single one of them. 

That bit about Shaitan being chained in Ramadan is from Hadith, sister.  So we don't need to discuss it.  We have long rejected Hadith with a kick.

Regarding creeps like Sheikh (aka priest) Usama Hasan, obviously he will not be happy with people who prefer the laws of Allah and refuse to follow his fatwas.  All sheikhs have that attitude similar to all kuffar, polytheists, atheists and arrogant secularists of this world.  That is nothing new and neither surprising.  The sad thing would be to fall prey to their temptations and start following them by turning away from the Quran.  That would indeed be the ultimate loss for which we would have to answer to Allah.  But as long as we don't become a party to their misguidance, we have nothing to worry.

There is a very good piece we have here at MV put up by Sister Zeynab on April of 2013  titled "Life comes only once."  I think you've already read it and also contributed your good comments.  If you refer to it again, it might help to remember some additional points concerning this topic.  That post is a very thorough scrutiny of the perfunctory thoughts and shallow knowledge of faithless folks and why they keep getting baffled. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2014, 09:25:11 pm »

Btw just another reminder, please sister and all readers, visit our blog Zainab's Lounge to get the updates on Gaza and other sufferings endured by Muslims as in Burma etc.  All political stories on current events are being posted there as we want to keep MV primarily for the Quran and matters in connection with the Quran. 

Please share our current blog stories as well to let the world know of the facts that are presently taking place.  Most of these events are not being covered by mainstream news sources.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2014, 06:49:42 pm »

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My dear sis heba UR reply is very comforting ,ur quoted marvelous Quran verse are very soothing Alhamdulillah May Allah reward U from His best .ameen ya Rab ..

  Sad No my sis it was personal gathering with well known brother and sisters ,who are always well responded to each discussion (gathering without newcomers or Modern muslims bro's and sis ) After light general discussion , suddenly just personal thoughts and feelings , chit chat atmosphere turned into serious topic , what hurts more is that, this time , we are disappointed by the well practiced muslims , we know them and never expected such words from them , few are typical hadithst ,few are confused hadithst ,but apart from their love for hadith,they are very proper in their religious duties salat , zakat , never talk against, Quran,  reciting Quran daily and good in other matters too BUT they just are not happy with Ramadan , especially summer fasting is burden them rest Allah alone knows what is in their hearts , their niyah ,we cant judge their imaan Sad  but one thing They said it clearly , it's unfair to fast in summer Sad ,they do fast but keep complaining ! oh it's very hard , am feeling thirsty , O God am exhausted , Sad isn't too long ,? etc  Cry  for me it's something very unpleasant to listen & irritating too ,though they are senior's but i felt bit angry and said to them, this is enough now  it's up to ,u wanna fast or not but please stop complaining ,it's annoying me; i dont have anythig more to convince  u so please don't talk to me on this issue ,  do whatever u want ,these folks got angry with us ,and said ! see that's the problem, that's why we don't share our personal thoughts , u guys have no answer nor givein us right to complain ,u guys wanna listen lie ! that we love summer ramadan , but we dont ....

 Cry

 i am still not understanding their situation ,so we left that  gathering but they are keep asking what's wrong with this complain , don't we have right to complain Allah ....?

Am speechless we thought slowly slowly they will return to the final message but they have very worried disease. in their hearts .....  Undecided  objection on summer fasting i don't get this ?


i have another question here ?


is it permissible to delay prayers beyond the time , like mosque near by us , we don't go there we have different issues with them ( small Moroccan mosque managed at home not a proper mosque ) since 3rd ramadan mosque decided to delay Maghrib salat until isha salat , they allowed and told people ! to combine Maghrib salat with isha salat , ?? Shocked daily Mosque gets closed hour before iftar time and there is no one in mosque to offer Maghrib prayers ,,,, everyone go home eat their iftar according hadith timings (right from maghrib prayers ,they eat and rest then return to Mosque just before isha salat time ... i never hared that before , this morning we met to the lady (wife of the muntazim of that mosque , she told us and asked is it right or wrong ,? we are confused and have doubt ,we don't like this change, we think it is wrong how could they do this ,she said! we talk to them but imam and my husband too (her husband) not listing to us ,so (we) group of ladies , have decided to boycott this mosque we are not going to the mosque and offering our maghrib on time at home ... then she asked !!!




Q what u think  , their willingly delayed maghrib salat will be accepted or it is not permissible ?

 Cry Cry Cry Cry

what's going on with this ummah ,?? am losing my mind, my patience ,  Sad


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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2014, 05:57:11 am »

Walaikum Salaam dear Sister Muslima.   Sister's Heba's reply is based only on whatever you mentioned about your discussion with your social circle.  She addressed it generally to the Ummah (as you can see), not specifically to those people.  There are many all around the world who think and talk this way.  It's nothing new. As followers of Quran alone, we do not agree with any frustrated complaints against Allah.  That's not humility.  It amounts to being rebellious or disrespectful towards Him which He certainly does NOT appreciate in His slaves.  Allah wants us to be humble regardless of the odds against us.  If a believer is upset with the events around them, they can supplicate excessively (that is, make lots of du'a) and beg Allah to grant relief.  That's the reason taqwa is so very important, rather indispensable.  Other than that, whether those folks are "proper" Muslims or not is between you and them.  We wouldn't go into that for it isn't our concern.  Again generally speaking, I'm never surprised with strange reactions from hadithists.  Hadith being a faulty institution which obstructs one's understanding of the Quran, hadithists cannot be expected to have the same perception of the Truth as someone who is focused exclusively on the Quran only.  I suppose that is obvious.

I would also suggest that it's pointless involving yourself in these sort of arguments with people.  Like Heba mentioned, it's a waste of time and you'll only end up getting upset or hurt.  Life has enough hurdles to handle already.  Why take more upon yourself?  If Allah sees any good in them, He will guide them, InshAllah.   Until then, if they raise such issues and complaints against Allah, just tell them "lakum deen akum walay adeen" and switch to some other topic.  The Quran also advises us to follow the same path while interacting with persons who either disbelieve or whine or frown against Allah.



i have another question here ?

is it permissible to delay prayers beyond the time , like mosque near by us , we don't go there we have different issues with them ( small Moroccan mosque managed at home not a proper mosque ) since 3rd ramadan mosque decided to delay Maghrib salat until isha salat , they allowed and told people ! to combine Maghrib salat with isha salat , ?? Shocked daily Mosque gets closed hour before iftar time and there is no one in mosque to offer Maghrib prayers ,,,, everyone go home eat their iftar according hadith timings (right from maghrib prayers ,they eat and rest then return to Mosque just before isha salat time ... i never hared that before , this morning we met to the lady (wife of the muntazim of that mosque , she told us and asked is it right or wrong ,? we are confused and have doubt ,we don't like this change, we think it is wrong how could they do this ,she said! we talk to them but imam and my husband too (her husband) not listing to us ,so (we) group of ladies , have decided to boycott this mosque we are not going to the mosque and offering our maghrib on time at home ... then she asked !!!

Q what u think  , their willingly delayed maghrib salat will be accepted or it is not permissible ?

Well, it's not necessary to offer prayers in the masjid. That's up to you.  One can offer just as well at home.  I offer all my salaats at home.  The important thing is to offer it on time.  Combining Maghrib and Isha is not right, unless it's an emergency or some extraordinary situation.  Neither is eating iftar at Maghrib right.  It's flatly against the Quran.  The Quran has made it crystal clear that fast must be broken at nightfall or leil which follows Maghrib.



what's going on with this ummah ,?? am losing my mind, my patience ,  Sad

Ummah is indeed very, very deviated and is walking on a very different road than the one instructed in the Quran.   Hence as I've learned, adhering to the Quran alone is not easy in today's world.  I have had to isolate myself from the mainstream considerably otherwise I cannot follow the exact path Allah has defined in the Quran.  Many Muslims find this tough.  They're unable to make themselves quit the community  because they are too accustomed to working in a group.  Thus, to be very honest, we are in a situation where we have to make a choice.  Either we choose the community (Ummah) or we choose Allah.  Of course, I choose Allah.  It's a very easy choice for me as the isolation doesn't worry me.  The Truth is far more important.  Alhumdulilah.
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