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« on: January 29, 2015, 10:51:19 pm »

Assalamualiakum Rahamatullahi Wbarakathahu

Being my first post here, i want start with something interesting .Hope readers will find my post interesting ,Insah ALLAh


Did everything come from nothing? .This a biggest question on net right now. The answers given by the atheists is ,quantum events CAN occur without a cause .Note that "CAN" their answers will always contain auxiliary verbs such as "CAN","MAY" "MIGHT"..In short they themselves don't validate their answers


James Watson Cronin,(http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk.origins/2007-09/msg08481.html) who won the 1980 noble prize for physics declared that 96% of the universe is consists of dark matter which does not emit or reflect any light .In other words it is dark and we know nothing about that dark matter. The remaining four percent of the universe consists of atoms and molecules. In other words it is the illuminated part of the universe. Even, our knowledge about the four percent is trifle. Just imagine , with these knowledge, atheists claim"nothing gave everything".But, there is a mention of this fact in Koran, 1400 years ago!

Read this verses
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YUSUFALI: He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (Allah) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?

067.004
YUSUFALI: Again turn thy vision a second time: (thy) vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out.

067.005
YUSUFALI: And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

Quran is very clear here , only the lower part (which is only 4% of the universe) is illuminated and stars are missiles , indicating that stars are b@lls of fire ! i dont know when scientist established that stars are fire b@lls

SubhanALLAH! Can you able to appreciate this fact ?


Sir George Howard Darwin, son of the famous Charles Robert Darwin, gave a hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis)  regarding the formation of earth crust .As per his hypothesis, The Earth and the moon were once been a one body and by centrifugal forces moon slowly drifted away from the earth. On this line, later it was established that, an iron rich mars sized planet, Theia, collided with the earth about 30-40 millions ago.The result of this impact was moon and the iron core in earth .So the present iron in the earth belongs to Theia and does not belong to Earth.

Let us check this verse form Quran

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YUSUFALI: We sent aforetime our messengers with Clear Signs and sent down with them the Book and the Balance (of Right and Wrong), that men may stand forth in justice; and We sent down Iron, in which is (material for) mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help, Unseen, Him and His messengers: For Allah is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might (and able to enforce His Will).

Now who would have known in the 7 Th century that iron does not belong to earth rather it was send to Earth , is it "nothing" or is it GOD
The wonderful thing about this findings is , Sir George Howard Darwin,Son of Charles Darwin .Look here for one of the wonders of Allah.Charles Darwin became a cause of Atheism but Allah had different planing , He made his son to prove his signs .

Can you able to appreciate this ?

SubhanALLAH !

Finally, Habitable Zone is the distance from the star where the temperature is neither too hot nor too cold or in other words a place from the star where the Earth like planet can maintain water on its surface and there by earth like life exist on it .my question to atheists is , does that "nothing" send the iron to earth or the GOD who revealed 1400 years ago that he send iron to the earth .was it "nothing" which placed the earth in the habitable zone or is it GOD who said in Quran .

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YUSUFALI: And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice),

I don't know whether this ayah meant this but do you have any another explanation for this ayah
any way , it is quite clear that Habitable Zone is one of the evidence for Allah's Creation as mention in
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YUSUFALI: He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (Allah) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?

So, which one we should believe now, the theory of "nothing gave everything" or the Quran which confirms the recent findings of science before 1400 years

Is it science confirming Quran or Quran confirming science?

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 06:24:22 am »

Absolutely spectacular.  Subhan'Allah.  I went through it with great interest.  It just leaves me dumbstruck how anyone can wrangle and refute the striking resemblance of such amazing information with Truth that came to us over 1400 years ago .. unless one reads it with a preconditioned mind and a challenging spirit.

There's often little unanimity between the scientists themselves.  Some say the solar system was formed billions of years ago when tiny particles came together gravitationally, the collisions creating heat and molten mass referring to the eventual creation of iron. Others say this is only a small part of the story; that these collisions were followed by plenty of radioactive elements coming into the earth from outside (viz the stars) and releasing energy.  All of that energy couldn't escape back into space, accounting for earth's hot molten formation and the subsequent creation of iron.  So there we go .... a clear indication that iron is a foreign element.

Moreover, force of gravity is very clearly defined in the Quran to be the principle factor (or at least one of the main factors) holding the solar system together just as much today as it did millions of years ago during and soon after its formation.

"Lo! Allah graspeth the heavens and the earth that they deviate not, and if they were to deviate there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Lo! He is ever Clement, Forgiving." (35:41)  Surah Al-Malaika or Al-Fatir.

It's easy to perceive that in the light of the Glorious Quran, science compliments Faith. There's no denying about that. It's NOT at odds with Faith. Western scientists ridicule Faith for being inconsistent with science based on the contents of the altered Bibles that have completely lost its originality and presently exist in several man-written versions containing plenty of nonsense. That has painted the idea which gradually over the centuries developed into a modern theory that science is the truth while Faith is decadent.  This notion certainly has nothing to do with the Quran.   But arrogance and the greed for grabbing credit for discoveries is so inherent within most humans that when they analyze the aspects of science they end up complimenting themselves rather than the Ultimate Creator, The One and Only. 

Furthermore, repudiation suits the laggards in the course of their practical lives.  Denial of the Divine Power lessens moral responsibilities and eliminates the use of will-power, providing an easier way out and living according to one's own rules rather than the Divine Laws.

Unless we approach the Noble Quran humbly with a contrite heart (and we have every reason to do so), we will never grasp the wealth of authentic knowledge it contains.  Allah guides those who reach out to him.  Conceit,  self-admiration and condescension falls in the category of the misguided.

Thank you for this very educational piece, brother.

We penned another post here at MV after an article from a confused, apparently atheistic cosmologist, appeared on Yahoo but didn't make a hit there either.  You may like to take a look at the article as well as our write up on it at the following link.

Cosmologists: Their long history of Spiritual antagonism
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2015, 03:24:05 am »

Walayum AsSalam.  Welcomed Brother Pervez Mushtaq. 

Alhumdulilah delightful read. Much widsom does this thread hold.



Assalamualiakum Rahamatullahi Wbarakathahu

So, which one we should believe now, the theory of "nothing gave everything" or the Quran which confirms the recent findings of science before 1400 years

Is it science confirming Quran or Quran confirming science?

That's a great conclusion.  It cannot go unperceived without ringing a loud bell within the mind of every true believer.  Indeed Quran confirms science for Allah gave everything.  But we can do nothing to make the ignorant understand this.  Like everything else, guidance too comes from Allah to those who make themselves worthy of it.  The misguided chose to be left abandoned, so Allah cast them into the wilderness they themselves turned to.   It's only a matter of time before they remorsefully realize - on the Day of Judgement - but ah! Too little, too late.  And from every practical /logical viewpoint it's gonna be a very short time, only days or perhaps hours after earthly departure.  Regardless of the actual duration between the earthly death of every person and the Day of Resurrection (which will only be known to Allah), it will seem we have tarried just a little while.  And then .. "Woe unto the repudiators on that day!"  (77:15).  May The Most Exalted protect His believing slaves on that Day.  Ameen ya Rab.



that these collisions were followed by plenty of radioactive elements coming into the earth from outside (viz the stars) and releasing energy.  All of that energy couldn't escape back into space, accounting for earth's hot molten formation and the subsequent creation of iron.  So there we go .... a clear indication that iron is a foreign element.
 

This is exactly what physics holds today, and the allusion is clear - the origin of iron was beyond the boundaries of planet Earth.



It's easy to perceive that in the light of the Glorious Quran, science compliments Faith. There's no denying about that.


Couldn't agree more.  Pitting science against Faith (and by Faith I mean only the Divine Final Message) is only a cranky atheistic frustration.  And in their zeal to oppose the Quran, many polytheists also join the atheists.  I've observed that many times in various discussion sites.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 03:38:42 am »

Ameen, ameen.  Thank you Sister Ruhi for your very thoughtful comments.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 01:21:42 am »

Walayum AsSalam.  Welcomed Brother Pervez Mushtaq. 

Alhumdulilah delightful read. Much widsom does this thread hold.



Assalamualiakum Rahamatullahi Wbarakathahu

So, which one we should believe now, the theory of "nothing gave everything" or the Quran which confirms the recent findings of science before 1400 years

Is it science confirming Quran or Quran confirming science?

That's a great conclusion.  It cannot go unperceived without ringing a loud bell within the mind of every true believer.  Indeed Quran confirms science for Allah gave everything.  But we can do nothing to make the ignorant understand this.  Like everything else, guidance too comes from Allah to those who make themselves worthy of it.  The misguided chose to be left abandoned, so Allah cast them into the wilderness they themselves turned to.   It's only a matter of time before they remorsefully realize - on the Day of Judgement - but ah! Too little, too late.  And from every practical /logical viewpoint it's gonna be a very short time, only days or perhaps hours after earthly departure.  Regardless of the actual duration between the earthly death of every person and the Day of Resurrection (which will only be known to Allah), it will seem we have tarried just a little while.  And then .. "Woe unto the repudiators on that day!"  (77:15).  May The Most Exalted protect His believing slaves on that Day.  Ameen ya Rab.



Assalamualikum Rahamatullahi Wabarakathahu

Thank you Sr
Pl note that this is not a scientific article rather this is purely Islamic article
have you noted one thing in this post
it leaves one important question namely,Who is ALLAh and who are we
"alAAalameen" translated as universe ,   do you think this word can actually accommodate its original meaning
I think universe is a very small word to accommodate the mighty  galaxies ,and that unknown dark matter
if the word universe cannot accommodate its original meaning than its creator ....ALLAH subhanaavathala ...Alhamdulillah ...you are the mighty .....i don't have words ..ALLAH hu akbar
on the other hand we ..lol ..where are we in this universe .
I think the word tiny will be very small word to describe our actual position  when compared to universe
just read this ayah
37.67. They made not a just estimate of Allāh such as is due to Him. And on the Day of Resurrection the whole of the earth will be grasped by His Hand and the heavens will be rolled up in His Right Hand. Glorified is He, and High is He above all that they associate as partners with Him!
this things ALLAH subhanavathala has told long back
note that he even told that
 Wama qadaroo Allaha haqqa qadrihi
Is it not true!

And I say ,as he had thought us
 
6:162. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily, my Salāt (prayer), my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allāh, the Lord of the 'Alamīn (mankind, jinns and all that exists).


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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 03:49:30 am »

Walaikum As Salam

Yes, true, it's a Quranic article .. and Quran created science.  Therefor every such discussion automatically picks various aspects of science and then eventually owes it grand architecture or procedure to the Ultimate Creator, The Almighty.

If we focus carefully, the interpretation or explanation of every facet of astronomy as given in text books eventually reflects a striking similarity with Quranic discourse on those fields.  I'm aware how critics have twisted and spun clear Quranic scientific facts only to claim that the Quran clashes with modern studies for the purpose of disparaging the Final Message as if they are teaching Allah.  It's best to leave that lot to their own devices.  Allah is sufficient to deal with them.

Coming to the word "universe" it's generally taken as a very comprehensive/extensive term including the known and the unknown, and inclusive of galaxies which in layman's expression is often referred as "milky way" alluding to a large galaxy.  Galaxy itself is supposed to be a 'system' comprising of stars, compact stars, black hole, and the mystery of dark matter.  Presumably there are countless number of galaxies in the universe but science has discovered and named only a few.  Then again there are dwarf galaxies too that orbit around single large galaxies or milky ways.  Science says a dwarf galaxy is comparatively one-hundredth the size of a large one, having a few billion stars.  So, approximately how many stars would a large galaxy have?  Too difficult even guess.  Hence, just from this little paragraph of basic information on galaxy, we can discern the infinite expanse knowledge that is not known to humans and only known to Allah alone.  For Him, of course, it is only a tiny handful.

I had read that the Arabic term Alameen comes from the root Arabic alphabets "Ayn Lam Mim."  Only Allah knows how far this is correct.   However, its basic meaning is knowledge or awareness.  But it can also carry the significance of universe (or universes), world (or worlds), creation/creations/creatures, humankind etc., depending on the context it is used.  In Verse 2 of the first Chapter - Surah Fatiha - for example, "Alhumdulilah Rabbi'l-alameen" would mean Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds or universe.   Compared to that, for instance, let's take Verse 3:33 of Surah Al-Imran where Allah says  'Inna Al-Laha Aşţafį 'Ādama Wa Nūĥāan Wa 'Āla 'Ibrāhīma Wa 'Āla `Imrān `Alį Al-`Ālamīna  =  "Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of 'Imran above (all His) creatures."
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2015, 03:23:25 am »

Walaikum As Salam

Coming to the word "universe" it's generally taken as a very comprehensive/extensive term including the known and the unknown, and inclusive of galaxies which in layman's expression is often referred as "milky way" alluding to a large galaxy.  Galaxy itself is supposed to be a 'system' comprising of stars, compact stars, black hole, and the mystery of dark matter.  Presumably there are countless number of galaxies in the universe but science has discovered and named only a few.  Then again there are dwarf galaxies too that orbit around single large galaxies or milky ways.  Science says a dwarf galaxy is comparatively one-hundredth the size of a large one, having a few billion stars.  So, approximately how many stars would a large galaxy have?  Too difficult even guess.  Hence, just from this little paragraph of basic information on galaxy, we can discern the infinite expanse knowledge that is not known to humans and only known to Allah alone.  For Him, of course, it is only a tiny handful.


Your replay reminds me a verse from Quran
55:33. O assembly of jinns and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass (them)! But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority (from Allāh)!


I had read that the Arabic term Alameen comes from the root Arabic alphabets "Ayn Lam Mim."  Only Allah knows how far this is correct.   However, its basic meaning is knowledge or awareness.  But it can also carry the significance of universe (or universes), world (or worlds), creation/creations/creatures, humankind etc., depending on the context it is used.  In Verse 2 of the first Chapter - Surah Fatiha - for example, "Alhumdulilah Rabbi'l-alameen" would mean Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds or universe.   Compared to that, for instance, let's take Verse 3:33 of Surah Al-Imran where Allah says  'Inna Al-Laha Aşţafį 'Ādama Wa Nūĥāan Wa 'Āla 'Ibrāhīma Wa 'Āla `Imrān `Alį Al-`Ālamīna  =  "Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of 'Imran above (all His) creatures."
can you elaborate on this bro
i mean the basic meaning of alameen is knowledge or awareness



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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2015, 09:28:25 pm »

I meant in connection with the common emphasis as the term is often determined in the context used, denoting the All-Powerful and All-Knowing qualities of Allah Almighty in all different ways.  That generally characterizes the concept of the term al-ameen with a link to knowledge.  The commonest example:  'Rabbal-Alameen' (Rab of humankind, jinn, etc.) defining His infinite power and awareness/knowledge.  However, from what I know, the literal meaning of al-ameen simply as a vocabulary would be universe.

Btw, Al-ameen also means "the trustworthy" which I forgot to add in my previous response. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2015, 12:33:50 am »

I meant in connection with the common emphasis as the term is often determined in the context used, denoting the All-Powerful and All-Knowing qualities of Allah Almighty in all different ways.  That generally characterizes the concept of the term al-ameen with a link to knowledge.  The commonest example:  'Rabbal-Alameen' (Rab of humankind, jinn, etc.) defining His infinite power and awareness/knowledge.  However, from what I know, the literal meaning of al-ameen simply as a vocabulary would be universe.

Btw, Al-ameen also means "the trustworthy" which I forgot to add in my previous response. 

Sorry Truth, i cannot read inside meanings or the words hidden between the lines
As per quran ,
26:23. Fir'aun (Pharaoh) said: "And what is the Lord of the 'Alamīn (mankind, jinns and all that exists)?"
26:24. Mūsa (Moses) said: "Lord of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, if you seek to be convinced with certainty."

pl note the difference between ALAMEEN and Al ameen


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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2015, 02:23:54 pm »

Walaiykum As-Salam

I never so far found any information differentiating between Al Ameen and Alameen.  Maybe you could elaborate a bit with examples for our information.

In Verse 26:23, the original "Rabbu l-ʿālamīna"  (check with Corpus Quran) is translated as "Lord of the Worlds" or "Universe" which seems to be consistent in all recognized English translations.  Only in Muhsin Khan's translation where he mentions the word "Alamin" is followed in bracket by "(mankind, jinns and all that exists)?"  However, contents in brackets are always the view of the translator as they perceive it and isn't included in the orginal.   As we've read for ourselves, the explanation of "Rabbu l-alamina" is provided in the following Verse 26:24 by Prophet Moses (pbuh) in reply to Pharaoh.

"(Moses) said: Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, if ye had but sure belief."  16:24.

Al Ameen being a wide-ranging term - inclusive of the All-Powerful, All-Knowing, Merciful, Bountiful and Supreme qualities of Allah Almighty - it's often applied in slightly differing contexts in various Quranic verses referring to certain selected qualities of The Almighty (under discussion) from that comprehensive whole.  I think that's what brother TS initially meant about determining its meaning according to the context used.  Thus, as I understand it, in Verse 26:24 the term refers to the complete and all-inclusive powers of Allah Almighty.

I found this site, Understanding the Quranic Term Al Ameen, very useful.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2015, 01:54:12 pm »

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Walaiykum As-Salam

I never so far found any information differentiating between Al Ameen and Alameen.  Maybe you could elaborate a bit with examples for our information.



you are correct sister
i think even  are the reason for this
there is no good informative Islamic resources on the net now a days
if you type any thing regarding Islam either we get critical views of the  goons or apologetic response of Muslims to that goons
they(goons) successfully dominated search engines as well  and we fell into their trap and we left constructive work
the result is everyone wants to advocate his path to be the correct one
we are united by Quran but divided  by our so called "school of thought"

Any way inshaALLAH i will try to differentiate between the two

ALAMEENA is a noun and root is ʿayn lām mīm with the meaning universe 

Al amin is an adjective and root is  hamza mīm nūn with the meanings trustworthy,secure 

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ALAMEENA is a noun and root is ʿayn lām mīm with the meaning universe 

Al amin is an adjective and root is  hamza mīm nūn with the meanings trustworthy,secure 

Thanks brother.  This sounds correct.  We'll remember it InshAllah. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 06:20:50 am »


Any way inshaALLAH i will try to differentiate between the two

ALAMEENA is a noun and root is ʿayn lām mīm with the meaning universe 

Al amin is an adjective and root is  hamza mīm nūn with the meanings trustworthy,secure 


Thank you brother.  This is a valid point.  I too never thought of it.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2015, 04:49:33 pm »

Very good and informative read through and through.  Shukran.  Allah bless.
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