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« on: March 24, 2015, 11:20:23 pm »

PART l

Quoting Answering-Islam critics:

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Qur'an 36:40

Some apologists try to explain away the Qur'anic description of the sun moving in an orbit as a reference to our sun orbiting the black hole at the center of the milky way galaxy every 225 million years.


Unquoting them:

Verse 36:40 is one of the most amazing astronomical phenomenon described in the Noble Quran which was discovered in the field of astronomy as late as the 1970s.  Lack of education of the Answering-Islam gang members has again shown that they know next to nothing about the sun's orbit.  All they know is to keep repeating their patent word ""apologists"" like a broken record.  The sun's movement or floating on its orbit as stated in Verse 36:40 has a vast connotation which refers to the sun's movement on its orbit around the center of our Galaxy.

Keep reading to the end of this post as I unfold the amazing information, step by step.

The fact that the sun is not stationary was already confirmed in the Noble Quran centuries ago.  The Noble Quran mentions about the sun and the moon, each "floating in an orbit."  Until very recent times, people found this Ayat confusing and contradictory with modern astronomical discoveries.  Everyone in the modern world carried the notion that the sun was static.  But according to the latest findings in the field of astronomy as recently as the 1970s, the sun is not stationary at all.  It travels at a speed of 486,000 miles per hour.  That means, along with the sun our entire solar system moves at some 9,000 miles every minute consistent with the gravitational force between the heavenly bodies!  Hence, a more appropriate expression about the sun's movement might be that the sun shifts or floats.

Fact check from the Physics Fact Book, few of which I also quote below for immediate information and evidence:

"Measurements of gas velocities in the solar neighborhood show that the sun, and everything in its vicinity, orbits the galactic center at a speed of about 220 km/s …." [Chaisson, Eric, & McMillan, Steve. Astronomy Today.New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, 1993]

"The sun circles the Milky Way at a speed of about 486,000 miles per hour."  [Recer, Paul (Associated Press). Radio Astronomers Measure Sun's Orbit Around Milky Way. Houston Chronicle. 1 June 1990.]

"… the sun's neighborhood, including the Sun itself, are moving around the centre of our Galaxy in approximately circular orbits with velocities of the order of 250 km/s."  [Norton, Arthur P. Norton's Star Atlas.New York: Longman Scientific & Technical, 1978:]

"If the solar system … were not moving in orbit around the center, we would fall straight in toward it, arriving a hundred million years from now. But because we do move (at about 150 miles per second) along a nearly circular path …."  [Goldsmith, Donald. The Astronomers.New York: St. Martin's Press, 1991]

CHECK FOR MORE INFORMATION IN THE PHYSICS FACT-BOOK LINK PROVIDED ABOVE.

One journey of our solar system around the center of the Milky Way galaxy is sometimes called a cosmic year. That’s approximately 225-250 million years.   Did you ever know that even in your wildest of dreams, Answering-Islam?

As it gradually became known much after the Renaissance in Europe, the entire universe is much too vast and full of celestial bodies outside of our solar system.   This too was already confirmed by the Noble Quran centuries prior to the Renaissance in Verse 7 of Chapter 51, Surah Dhaariyaat:  وَالسَّمَاءِ ذَاتِ الْحُبُكِ
Translation:  “By  the Sky, full of paths!” (51:7).

All praise be to the Almighty Allah.

We know that the moon has an orbit.  Then we learned that the moon orbits the earth.  Back in the 7th century and until several centuries later they never knew this.  However, the Noble Quran confirmed in the 7th century that neither the moon nor the sun are stationary.  Both move in their own different paths, described in the Quran as "they float each in an orbit" indicating each one having its own orbit.



PART ll
 
Quoting the critics of Answering-Islam:

In the Qur'an, the moon and the sun orbit the earth together. There is no distinction made between the moon, which actually revolves around the earth, and the sun which only appears to revolve around the earth when in fact the suns movement through the sky is a product of the rotation of the earth around its axis.


Unquoting them:

Just read the above and have your share of shock!  Even an average grade 5 student of elementary science would not write such unscientific theories about the solar system in the 20th nor 21st centuries.

First, if you please check Verse 36:40 again which I quote again below .... can you pick  any content or word that indicates that the sun orbits the earth OR the sun orbits the earth along with the moon, as claimed by Answering-Islam as a part of their defamation campaign?   Rather what the Verse states is the opposite of what Answering-Islam has claimed.

"It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit."  (36:40)  Surah Yā sīn.

The verse categorically states that the sun and the moon, each float in an orbit (which means, needless to say, their own separate orbits) and it's not for them to overtake each other.  This conveys that since the sun and the moon are orbiting, floating or moving in their own specific orbits, thus they are not competing or racing with each other.

Secondly, when the Quran mentions that the moon floats in its orbit, Answering-Islam wants to be spoon fed by being told that it orbits around the earth.  Or does Answering-Islam think that The Almighty does not know the moon orbits around the earth?  When the Quran says the moon floats in an orbit, people in the 7th century might have definitely asked, 'what orbit, what does it orbit around?'   But we today take it as a marvelous confirmation of an astronomical fact that was hinted upon by the Quran centuries ago.  Instead, Answering-Islam ignores the basic astronomical information of modern times and presumes that the Quran means something different than the moon orbiting around the earth.  These cobblers will never get tired nor embarrassed exposing their abnormally low IQ.

For our readers, when the Quran says the moon floats in an orbit, it's for humans to discover the rest which gradually they did discover hundreds of years later.  Similarly when the Quran says the sun floats in an orbit too, it's for us to prompt our curiosity and discover the nature of the sun's movement which we did discover many centuries later, as late as the 1970s.  But kindly do not be stupid enough to presume that you would know that the moon orbits around the earth and The Almighty wouldn't.  That sort of pound-cake idiocy is only for Answering-Islam to win and grab.

Thirdly, Answering-Islam says:  "There is no distinction made between the moon .."   As usual this makes zero sense.  What kind of "distinction" do the critics want?   Verse 36:40 is about the respective orbits of the moon and the sun.  Both celestial bodies are referred to by their names - moon and sun.  It has been made crystal clear that both have their own separate orbits.  I ask again, what distinction is Answering-Islam hankering after?

Fourthly, Answering-Islam's supposition in its criticism that "the sun which only appears to revolve around the earth when in fact the suns movement through the sky is a product of the rotation of the earth around its axis"  is pathetically wrong.  I will soon explain why.

First point here - that bit about the sun appearing to move around the earth is an obsolete presumption not even functional as a hypothesis any longer.  The Quran does not say that and neither does astronomy.  The basics of astronomy has helped us to get rid of the delusional appearance that the sun is moving around the earth.  Thus, it's totally irrelevant.  Science now speaks of the sun as a moving object (as already confirmed in Verse 36:40), unlike the concept of a sedentary star in the center of the solar system taught in schools and universities until the 1950s or 60s.  The sun is now recognized as a body that has an orbit (as confirmed in Verse 36:40 in the 7th century), and we discovered it in the 20th century that its orbit is the Milky Way.

The movement of the sun along with its neighborhood (the solar system) has already been discussed in Part I.  Please read it again to refresh your memory.  To quickly recap the information in Part I, the sun with the solar system orbits around the Milky Way Galaxy with an average velocity of approximately 828,000 km per hour. It takes approximately 230 million years to make one complete orbit around the Milky Way.  By the way, a galaxy is a collection of stars and interstellar material held together by gravity. The galaxy our sun is located in is called the Milky Way or the spiral Galaxy with a diameter of approximately 100,000 light years.  Hope this helps too as it's obvious Answering-Islam has no idea of the difference between the Milky way and galaxy.

The second point is - the shifting or floating of the sun across the vast expanse of the heavens is not a result of the rotation of the earth around its axis nor the result to the earth's revolution nor an outcome of the rotation of any other planets as wrongly assumed by Answering-Islam in its above quoted statement.  No one knows for sure the precise reason or reasons why the sun orbits around the milky way along with its entire neighborhood.   Answering-Islam is confusedly mixing up the movement of the sun with the rotation of other stars in the milky way which are close to the earth's (imaginary) axis.  Stars that are close to the earth’s axis - the north and the south poles - rotate around the poles. If the location of the pole reaches above the horizon, the stars located there never rise & set and they keep spinning.  Although the sun is a star by definition, astronomers have never presumed this as the reason for the sun orbiting the milky way along with the planets of the sun's solar system.

Astronomers have guessed various reasons that might, might, be the cause for stars to orbit .. such as .. perhaps the stars are embedded in a galaxy that is itself rotating OR perhaps a star (or stars) is moving due to the expansion of the Universe that also stretches the distance between heavenly bodies.  Another presumed reason maybe be the force of gravity as gravity commonly makes heavenly bodies move.  But these are presumptions.  Nothing confirmed. These reasons may or may not be the cause of the sun's movement is not confirmed either.

The important issue here is that the cobblers and school dropouts of Answering-Islam need to clear up their confusion, asserting a phoney reason for the sun's orbit along the milky way.
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 04:16:35 am »

Wonderful astronomical analysis by Sister Zeynab, and a great written depiction on how the Noble Quran gives us factual clues for greater research and discoveries.   With their inferior education, most of the contents of this article would be beyond the AI gang to grasp.  If you read their criticism, it's easy to envisage that they have no idea about the sun orbiting the milky way.  And as you correctly caught them, they mixed it up with another phenomenon.  Moreover, they themselves have no idea what precisely they intend to lambast and therefor often whatever they are refuting with cynicism is actually the real scientific truth.  They pick up a Quranic content on science and reject it's connection with science.  But when you research that subject in the pages of science, you will find it has exactly the same connection with the Quranic clue as we understood and which Answering-Islam is wrestling to reject.  Their frustration and jealousy are playing havoc with their mental health.  The true dumbass demeanor.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 04:38:39 am »

Thanks Sister Zeynab.  This is too fine a piece as an interaction with those hairy beasts running the AI site.  Yes, I have no qualms losing my manners with the enemies of Allah Almighty. 

The sole goal of these strange beasts is to wrought mischief.  As brother TS said, I too observed their two pieces of petty squabbling to be a figment of their imagination for the purpose of drafting a quarrelsome disagreement. Beyond that, such a disputation contains not a shred of rational substance, not even worthy of formulating a simple question, let alone a pragmatic critical discourse. Most of their dumb critical contents have no connection with the Quran, and the rest are gross misinterpretations ensuing from their fictitious presumptions with absolutely NO reasons to connect those made-up presumptions with Quranic contents.

Thank you again Sis Zeynab.

These buggers don't seem to be worth our good time.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 04:44:59 am »

Appreciate much brother TS and Sis Heba.  I totally concur with your observation.
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 10:54:44 pm »

Liked this piece so, so much dear Sis.  Every bit has been explained wonderfully. 

From their obsession of "earth is flat" to their ignorance about the sun's orbit.  Wallahi!  Btw, there is a continuation of their obsession with the false claim of earth is flat. A couple of days ago I came across another similar hogwash by the Answering-Islam.  I wasn't sure whether to put this here or with the previous rejoinder by brother TS refuting their false accusation that the Quran assumes earth if flat.  Since it seems mid way between this topic and the previous one, I thought I'll post it here.


Quoting Answering-Islam critics' frenzied obsession and appetite for defamaton:

The Qur'an mentions numerous times that the sun and the moon travel in an orbit, but does not mention once that the earth does too. This is consistent with a earth-centered (geocentric) view of the cosmos that places a motionless earth at the center of the universe and all "heavenly bodies" travel around the earth. This was the prevailing understanding of the universe prior to the 16th century when Copernicus helped explain and popularize a sun-centered (heliocentric) view of the universe. Tellingly, the sun's orbit is always mentioned in the context of night and day.

Unquoting the lunatics:

That identical sweeping presumption and misjudgment as trashed in brother TS's post.   According to Answering-Islam's combative creativity if there's no mention of earth's orbit, it's to be taken for granted that the Quran says "earth is flat." 

Movement of the earth is definitely mentioned in the Quran.   

"And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit." (21:33).   Very similar to Verse 36:40 under discussion here. 

"night and the day" is the movement of the earth.  Presence of the sun and the moon are mentioned separately.  And then, the Quran mentions that "each" float in an orbit.  Earth, sun and moon, each have their own paths.  The vital reminder here is that when you connect the specific information of Verse 21:33 or 36:40, how marvelously does it tally with the astronomical perception of today?  As I see it, it conforms just perfectly with no two ways about it.

Whatever facts have already been stated in regard to the universe viz. movement of the sun, orbiting of the moon, rotation of earth, are enough for anyone with half a brain to realize the Quran does not accept the earth to be flat.  Thus, the Quran contains nothing that would give even an inkling to a reader to suggest that the world might be flat.

With NO warrant that the earth is flat, the Noble Quran connects the brightness and darkness in the atmosphere with the appearance and disappearance of the sun (in connection with the earth) which would make any intelligent person curious in the middle-ages and research later unveiled the hidden information meant to be affixed to the earlier Quranic information, that is, rotation of the earth as the cause of day and night.   

Just because the Quran does not spell out the shape of the earth by spoon feeding dumb wits, those dummies conclude that the Quran thinks the earth is flat even though the Quran never even remotely hints on a flat earth.   

The Quran is NOT a Book of science nor physics nor history etc.  It's a Book of Guidance.  God Almighty mentions whatever brief extracts of selected factual information He deems right and helpful for humankind to understand various portions of His Final Message.   For this reason God constantly tells us to reflect over his Revelations so that whenever humans take the extra step of seeking knowledge through science or any other source, they are able to connect all the pieces together.  But Christians, Jews, pagans and atheists have always been very lazy, wanting to be spoon fed like invalids.  Man-written Hadith has unfortunately borrowed the same culture.  They just don't want to make efforts and reflect, and henceforth they bring the concept of "blind faith."  But there is no 'blind faith' in the Quran.  Faith must be investigated so God Almighty constantly emphasizes on pondering and reflecting on every bit of Quranic content, and the practical research of humankind only compliments those Quranic contents. 

The Quran is not meant for combative name-droppers 'blessed' with petty minds loaded with limitations.  No spoon feeding for intellectual midgets.   If you're interested in grasping the Truth, you are expected to retrospect, then introspect and then ruminate, deliberate and consider with the coolness and humility required while pondering over HIS Words.
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 11:08:47 pm »


"night and the day" is the movement of the earth. .... With NO warrant that the earth is flat, the Noble Quran connects the brightness and darkness in the atmosphere with the appearance and disappearance of the sun (in connection with the earth) which would make any intelligent person curious in the middle-ages and research later unveiled the hidden information meant to be affixed to the earlier Quranic information, that is, rotation of the earth as the cause of day and night.

Brilliantly put Sister Ruhi.  You've spilt out the precise words I had on the tip of my tongue.



The Quran is NOT a Book of science nor physics nor history etc.  It's a Book of Guidance.  God Almighty mentions whatever brief extracts of selected factual information He deems right and helpful for humankind to understand various portions of His Final Message.   For this reason God constantly tells us to reflect over his Revelations so that whenever humans take the extra step of seeking knowledge through science or any other source, they are able to connect all the pieces together.  But Christians, Jews, pagans and atheists have always been very lazy, wanting to be spoon fed like invalids.  Man-written Hadith has unfortunately borrowed the same culture.  They just don't want to make efforts and reflect, and henceforth they bring the concept of "blind faith."  But there is no 'blind faith' in the Quran.  Faith must be investigated so God Almighty constantly emphasizes on pondering and reflecting on every bit of Quranic content, and the practical research of humankind only compliments those Quranic contents.

The Quran is not meant for combative name-droppers 'blessed' with petty minds loaded with limitations.  No spoon feeding for intellectual midgets.   If you're interested in grasping the Truth, you are expected to retrospect, then introspect and then ruminate, deliberate and consider with the coolness and humility required while pondering over HIS Words.

Couldn't agree more nor could I have said it any better!


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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 11:19:35 pm »

Dear Sister Ruhi thanks a ton for this additional input exposing the continued unceasing mania, nay neurosis, of Answering-Islam with that myth in their imagination about a flat earth in the Quran.  Your logic is realistic and filled with smart pragmatism.  Allah bless you dear sister.  Every bit of falsehood and blunderous scheming by the kuffar must be confronted with Truth and exposed to the public. 

 
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2015, 11:28:25 pm »

You're both very, very welcomed dear Sisters.  The stunning stupidity of dumb asses is the easiest to confront, Alhumdulilah.  Just hope we had a bit more time so we could come up with many more Quranic substances and superb evidences to shut their mouths.  Nothing scares the minions of the devil more than the Truth. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2015, 11:30:29 pm »

So correct ....
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