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« on: April 16, 2015, 12:47:54 am »

Referring to Quanic Verses 11:40, 11:44 and 54:11-14 (all of these Verses are quoted below along with the discussion of this post), Answering-Islam claims that "these verses state that the earth gushed forth with water, implying that the flood was universal."  When AI says something, it never explains why.  The Quran has made it ample clear that the flood was regional and not universal which we will discuss in detail further down.  Let me first explain Verses 54:11-14 because a portion of AI's misjudgment is the misinterpretation of the expression "springs" in Verse 54:12.  Quoting and explaining Verses 54:11-14 below.

"Then opened We the gates of heaven with pouring water
And caused the earth to gush forth springs, so that the waters met for a predestined purpose.
And We carried him upon a thing of planks and nails,
That ran (upon the waters) in Our sight, as a reward for him who was rejected."  (54:11-14).  Al-Qamar.


Interpretation:  The water poured down heavily from the sky, that is, (turbulent downpour or deluge) because of which streams of water began flowing on ground (or flooding).  "Spring" means a small stream of water flowing naturally from the earth.  It is NOT a fountain nor is it like a sprinkler, both of which can shoot water upwards several feet high.  Fountain is of course much larger and gives off more water. In Verses 13 and 14, Allah mentions that the ship in which Noah sailed was made of planks and nails (that is, wood, timber, spikes, rivets or pins etc.).  The ship sailed on the waters smoothly as a gift for Noah who was derided and scorned by the disbelieving ones of his community.

Another Islamophobe site claims "Noah builds the ark and collected all kinds of species in pair, then the ark lands on a mount. Wouldnt this mean the floods were global?"  Why would it mean it was global?  What's the evidence indicating that?  Again not explained by the Islamophobes.  It's actually the other way round based on Quranic evidences.  There is no allusion to a universal flood.  Nowhere does the Quran say that the flood waters gushed forth everywhere around the world.  None of the Quranic Verses on this flood (all quoted in this post) carry a single indication referring to the event being global.   At their site, Answering-Islam has grumbled much, repeating like a broken record, that the Quran implies flood was universal.  But they have never explained how they assume that.   Anyone with a shred of insight would know that the purpose of the flood was to punish a particular disobedient community that existed at a specific area of the globe, not universally.  Hence to blindly presume that the flood was universal (as is the habit of Answering-Islam) contradicts the logic and ideology of the Quran.  Allah categorically states that the flood destroyed Noah's community, not the entire world, much less the universe.  The altered bibles have misinterpreted this flood as global but the Quran has NOT.  The Quran distinctly alludes to a regional deluge or downpour.

Prophet Noah (pbuh) was sent to his community by Allah Almighty to guide them as they had gone astray living unrighteous lives and denying the commandments of Allah.

"And verily we sent Noah (as Our messenger) unto his folk, and he continued with them for a thousand years save fifty years; and the flood engulfed them, for they were wrong-doers."  29:14.  Al-Ankabut.

Prophet Noah warned them to serve Allah alone and abandon false beliefs otherwise they would have to face Divine Retribution.  But they continued in their disbelief.  Thus, Allah punished them.  They were swept away by the deluge and drowned. 

"But they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship, and We drowned those who denied Our tokens. Lo! they were blind folk."  7:64. Al-Araf.

Allah also informed Prophet Noah that by His Mercy He would save the believers.  Allah commanded him to take on board different species of animals with their mates - the male and the female.  This was clear evidence that The Almighty intended to annihilate the disbelievers of this community and raise a new one on a different land and thus the instruction to carry different species of animals as people in those days generally made a living by farming.

"Then We inspired in him, saying: Make the ship under Our eyes and Our inspiration. Then, when Our command cometh and the oven gusheth water, introduce therein of every (kind) two spouses, and thy household save him thereof against whom the Word hath already gone forth. And plead not with Me on behalf of those who have done wrong. Lo! they will be drowned"  23:27.  Al-Mominun.

Consequently, except those believers who boarded the Ark, the entire community was drowned.  That included Prophet Noah's son, a disbeliever, who bragged that he would save himself by taking refuge on a mountain top.  But while he was still boasting, a wave swept him away and he was drowned.

Eventually when the rain stopped and the water receded, the Ark drifted and came to a halt near Mount al-Judi.   We might presume that the new community sprung in this region, close to Mount Judi.  But the exact facts are known to Allah only.

"And it was said: O earth! Swallow thy water and, O sky! be cleared of clouds! And the water was made to subside. And the commandment was fulfilled. And it (the ship) came to rest upon (the mount) Al-Judi and it was said: A far removal for wrongdoing folk!"  (11:44)  Surah Hud.

The altered and corrupted Torah and Gospel, full of nonsense, carry the notion that the deluge was universal.  After reading all of above Quanic Verses, anyone can sense the heavy rain and flood was a punishment only for the disbelieving people of Noah's community, not for the world.  Also check three more Verses as follows for confirmation that it was a regional flood, not a universal one.

"And We sent Noah unto his folk (and he said): Lo! I am a plain warner unto you.  That ye serve none, save Allah. Lo! I fear for you the retribution of a painful Day."  11:25-26.  Surah Hud.

"But they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship, and We drowned those who denied Our tokens. Lo! they were blind folk."   7:64.  Al-Araf.

"And We saved him and those with him by a mercy from Us, and We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers."  7:72.  Al-Araf.


A universal flood makes little sense.  Every community throughout the globe does not practice the same level of disobedience simultaneously.  Every polity is warned and tested separately.  That's an important principle of the Noble Quran. 

Similarly, Prophet Hud was sent to warn the tribe of Aad.  Prophet Saleh was sent to warn the community of Samood (Thamud).  Prophet Shuaib was sent to warn Midian.  Prophet Lut (who lived in Prophet Abraham's time) was also sent to warn his people who indulged in the lewd and abominable practice of sodomy.  Prophet Moses was sent to warn Pharaoh.  All of the messengers of Allah were rejected by their different sinful communities at different times and were destroyed separately by natural hazards like tornadoes or earthquakes etc. None of these catastrophes were at a universal level.  They were all localized punishments, though each one was severe.

Collective destruction will happen in the Last Day prior to the Day of Judgment.  Until then, Allah has not given us any reason to presume the occurrence of a universal disaster.

The Noble Quran being the ONLY original Divine Book with complete information of guidance for humanity, is the final confirmation.  The deluge was regional, NOT universal.

Another point that needs to be made clear and confirmed from the description given in the Quran is that the deluge came in the form of  heavy flooding apparently resulting from torrential rains as seen during extremely hazardous weather.

The altered Christian bibles claim that the flood came in the form of a fountain similar to the Old Faithful Geyser at USA's Yellowstone National Park.  That Yellowstone Park's geyser is a different story.  Geysers are formed naturally when water deep down the earth gets heated because of the presence of underground rocks.  The high temperature of heated water builds up pressure.  That's when the geyser starts giving off steam and eventually the water erupts upwards like a fountain, several feet high.  Soon after, the underground water- chamber gets empty.  The same process keeps repeating itself periodically.   This phenomenon has never caused flooding in the history of world events.  It's only the uneducated and foolish theater actors of the altered bibles who have changed their original Scripture babble such bullcrap.   They claim that Noah's flood came in the form of a geyser-fountain on a wider scale than the Yellowstone Park geyser, originating from underwater mountain ranges (formed by plate tectonics).  Totally absurd!  The point is, how "wide scale" would it need to be to create a universal deluge?  Until now in the history of archaeology or seismic studies, such a phenomenon hasn't caused even a minor regional flood, let alone a universal flood.  I quote one passage from a certain version of the altered bibles.  "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." (Genesis 2:5-6).   This typical nonsensical style gives away the secret that the above verse was scribbled by some unlettered cleric who didn't have two brain cells to rub together.  There are several other biblical verses narrating similar idiocy.  No need to quote them.

In recent years various archaeological evidences have been discovered concerning Noah's flood.   Indeed the flood had left signs of devastation.  But since it happened around 3,000 BC, only Allah Almighty would know best if those signs still exist, and whether the evidences found by the archaeologists are linked to the flood of Noah's time or some other similar disaster.  Only Allah can confirm this information, none else.  So, we won't go into it because finding evidence is not significant.  The fact that the Quran confirms it is the biggest evidence.   Also, to probe exactly when and where it happened is not a necessity. It's not for us to try to prove something not disclosed by the Quran.  What's important to know and take lessons from is that the Flood destroyed an entire civilization because of its disobedience, which included the son of Prophet Noah, and by the Will of Allah an entire new civilization sprung up in its place later.

The Quran does not disclose the region where the deluge occurred.   Though traditionally both Muslims and Christians (and perhaps also the Jews) presume Noah's location was on the plains of Mesopotamia.  That's possible, but only Allah knows for sure.  The Quran mentions that when the flood receded, the Ark came to a stop at Mount Judi that's situated in north-eastern Syria.  A 9th century historian, al-Masudi,  mentioned that the Ark began its voyage at Kufa in central Iraq and sailed to Mecca, where it circled the Kaaba, before finally traveling to Judi.  This information contains a big contradiction as we have learned from the Quran that the Kaa'ba was built in Mecca for the first time during the era of Prophet Abraham and his older son, Ishmael, who lived at least a thousand years after Noah.

The Jews also refer to Mount Judi as Qardu, we have no idea why.  The Quran simply calls the Mount "l-Jūdiyi"  (الجودي ) which translates to "the Judi,"  the mountain on which Noah's Ark came to rest after the great flood.

Some Christian sources (probably the orthodox ones) claim Noah's Ark stopped near Mount Ararat which is situated between Turkish Armenian border.  However, this information is totally useless because the Quran has already confirmed that the Ark's resting place was Mount al-Judi.
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2015, 08:39:08 am »

I've come across some Islamophobe sites/blogs that have put up a story on the topic of Noah's Ark saying that there are claims about the Ark being found somewhere in northern Middle-East and that those claims have proven to be a hoax.  It's meant to be a cynical criticism on the Quran, whereas the claim actually sprouted from the minds of orthodox Christians.  So, this is another discreet hooliganism that's going on within the circles of these Islamophobe degenerates, that they're conveniently picking the balderdash uttered by their own folks or from the gibberish altered bibles and splashing it as an accusation on the Quran with paragraphs and paragraphs substandard harangue.  The answer to this drama is simple.  The Quran simply mentions the incident of the flood in Noah's time.  The Quran never says that the Ark will be found after 5,000 years.  The Quran never says impractical and irrational things like these.  Such ideas are the contrivance of the people.  In case any such story is uttered in the hadiths, then do not forget that the ahadith are a branch of the altered bibles and none of these sources have anything to do with the Quran. 

That bit about presuming the flood to be universal and appearing like a geyser fountain is also typically a yap-yap pouring out of the altered bibles.   The Islamophobes picked it up from there and began using it as an ammunition to sooth their festering anger over the Noble Quran.

The Quranic description that the flood happened at a specific location as punishment for a particular community couldn't have been clearer.  Yet Answering-Islam's embarrassment over the twatty tales perpetually invented by the bible writers has made them so jittery that accusing the Quran with mistakes made by their own people is their only face-saving trick.

Thank you very much dear Sister Heba.  A very informative and comprehensive piece that leaves out nothing significant.

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2015, 11:21:02 am »

That's very simply explained.  Very clear and logical.  The disaster was definitely localized.  Certainly not universal. 

The notion of it happening in the form of a fountain, like water springing upward like from an underground geyser is a confusion spread by both Christians as well as many Muslim translators who have either misunderstood Verse 11:40 or have taken the interpretation from the altered bibles and translated Verse 11:40 accordingly.  For this reason there are many Muslim translators whose translations have similarly expressed the notion of water gushing out from the ground like fountains.  Needless to mention, this notion is plainly wrong.

The Verse on focus is 11:40.  I'm quoting it below.

"ḥattā  idha  jaa  amruna wafara  l-tanūru"  (Original Araic).

"Till when came Our command, and overflowed the oven"  (Corpus Quran word by word translation).


It's the word "l-tanuru" which many translators have misinterpreted as water coming or gushing from beneath the ground like fountains or springs, similar to the misconceptions of the altered bibles.

But if you concentrate a little, it's very easy to understand. 

The literal definition of  "tanur" (تنور )  is the same as 'tandoor' which means the old medieval style mud ovens used for baking bread etc.  Use of this word in Verse 11:40 is metaphorical indicating something warm.  However, it doesn't mean the flood water was warm.  Neither does it mean that the water began gushing or oozing from the ground.  "Oven" refers to the Earth, rather perhaps the scorched Earth because of the sun's heat.  It's possible that the incident of the flood took place in warm weather, in summer, when the Earth was warm.  Thus, Allah refers to the state of the Earth prior to the flood as "oven" or al-tanuru over which the water flowed and accumulated because of the continuous torrential downpour from the sky.  To understand this phenomenon is a matter of common sense.  Whenever heavy rainfall is constant, even for a few hours, it results in accumulation of large amounts of water.  Also, during torrential rains, rivers, streams and springs often swell, rise and overflow.  Reference to this aspect is also certainly possible. 

Similar phenomenon has been rationally explained by Al-tafsir.com below:

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Verse 11:40, "wafara  l-tanūru" ("and overflowed the oven") has two interpretations:

(1) The fountains or the springs on the surface of the earth bubbled over or gushed forth; or ..

(2) the oven boiled over.

The former has the weight of the best authority behind it, and I prefer it.

Moreover, the same phrase occurs in Verse 23:27, where it is a clause coordinated (as here) with the coming of Allah’s Command - "Then We inspired in him, saying: Make the ship under Our eyes and Our inspiration. Then, when Our command cometh and the oven gusheth water," (23:27).  Water poured forth from the skies and gushed forth from the springs.  This double action is familiar to any one who has seen floods on a large scale. The rain from above would saturate the ground and give great force to the springs and fountains in the valley of the Tigris below.

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Thus, that notion presuming the expression oven gushed forth to mean as water (or warm steamy water) surging from the ground and cascading above the ground like fountains is definitely wrong.

Oven as in Verses 11:40 and 23:27 simply refers to the Earth.  Nothing confusing about it. 

Most of the famous and recognized translators like Pickthall, Haleem, Yusuf Ali and several more have translated Verse 11:40 incorrectly in accordance with interpretation (1) of Al-tafsir quoted above.  Surprisingly, some of the lesser known translators whose names I had never heard before are the ones who translated Verse 11:40 far more accurately in line with interpretation (2) of Al-tafsir.com.

For example:  Wahiduddin Khan, whose work I've never read before, translates that specific part of V.11:40  "When Our command came, and water gushed forth in torrents,"     Shakir translates it as "Until when Our command came and water came forth from the valley,"  Shabbir Ahmed translates "Thus it was until Our Command came to pass. Water gushed forth in torrents over the face of the land."  Maulana Muhammed Ali translates:  "At length when Our command came and water gushed forth from the valley"  Asad is the only known translator is this list who translates as:  "[And so it went on] till, when Our judgment came to pass, and waters gushed forth in torrents over the face of the earth,"  As you can read, all these translations are different from those of Pickthall and Haleem with a different interpretation, making the truth clearer.  Actually in running translations that aren't word by word, there's no need to use the word "oven" as it only leads to misunderstandings.  If the translator uses the term "oven," they should use a footnote to explain this metaphor. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2015, 11:35:50 am »


So, this is another discreet hooliganism that's going on within the circles of these Islamophobe degenerates, that they're conveniently picking the balderdash uttered by their own folks or from the gibberish altered bibles and splashing it as an accusation on the Quran with paragraphs and paragraphs substandard harangue.
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That's a precise observation Sister Zeynab.  I've also read that attitude time and again with that lot.

Btw, the idea of the Ark stopping at Mt. Ararat is invented by the orthodox Armenian Christians.  That segment of the Christian community takes the cake in exaggerating and lying over just about everything. 
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2015, 04:26:12 am »

Many, many thanks Sis Zeynab and brother TS.  Actually I did leave out a very significant point which brother added.  The term "oven" refers to the earth or atmosphere of the region where the storm & flood occurred by Allah's command.  Most translators haven't understood it's metaphorical reference which has also been correctly analyzed by brother TS.  Thus the word 'oven' makes them think of a hot and steamy eruption from the ground. 

Also thanks for quoting the translations of the non-mainstream translators which greatly helps the clarification.  Water gushing forth over the land from the valleys and hills ... that's precisely meaning it carries.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2015, 04:33:25 am »

I'm pretty well aware of some of the wrong translations of V.11:40.  I don't recall their names but some translators have picked such inaccurate words that they have almost distorted this very beautifully realistic Verse.   I remember reading a translation where the author translated "oven" as "volcanoes."  I don't know what he was thinking to have chosen 'volcanoes' for his translation.  I guess that misinterpretation came from the same misunderstanding of the word "oven."   Someone else, perhaps the Jaleyen translation, wrote "baker's oven gushed forth with water."  lol .. I don't know how such translations are ever accepted for publication.  These people really must know the importance of thinking right for then only will they translate right.  This is not just any book, it's The Quran. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2015, 04:35:58 am »

Someone else, perhaps the Jaleyen translation, wrote "baker's oven gushed forth with water."  .... 

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2015, 04:41:57 am »

Islam 101 writes:  "In recent years  there have been some renewed attempts to locate the Ark. These attempts will perhaps continue until we have the answers we wish to have. Among the researchers is an American who is obtaining aerial photos of Mt. Ararat from the CIA collection."  Well, first off, it wasn't Ararat.  It was Mount Judi more than 200 miles away from Ararat.  Secondly, even if they go to Mount Judi, how the heck do they expect to find any remains of an event that took place more than 5,000 years ago?  Has anyone ever found any tombs or any homes or any  furniture or any pottery or clothes etc. etc. from 5,000 years in the past?  Other than a few blind guesses here and there, nothing at all.  The Ark was a rudimentary boat made of ordinary wood and it was one-hundredth or less the size of an average ocean liner of today.   How long would a wooden boat of prehistoric era last?  Doesn't wood rot within a century or less after exposure to the weather and water?    Can anything made of raw, untreated wood last for 5,000 years??  CIA couldn't even find out if Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons, something as contemporary as that and the idiots think they can find Noah's Ark after 5,000 years?
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2015, 04:59:27 am »

CIA couldn't even find out if Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons, something as contemporary as that and the idiots think they can find Noah's Ark after 5,000 years?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  exactly!

You know, you'll be surprised that a lot of Muslim commentators and so-called scholars have borrowed many of those illogical Christian views regarding the flood in Prophet Noah's community.  They try to downplay the difference between Mount Judi and Ararat, in support of the altered bibles, as if Quran and altered bibles are the same.  They say that  mountain of Ararat in Genesis refers to the entire mountainous region in Armenia between the Black and Caspian Seas, including Mount Judi.
They say Ararat extends from the Armenian plateau to southern Kurdistan and mount  Judi is part of this range.  That's not a correct argument.  A plateau is a tableland or a high plain that can stretch unbroken for thousands of square miles within a country or between different countries of a continent and contain rivers and canyons.  If you look up the map, Mt. al-Judi is situated far away from Ararat.  The distance between Mt. Judi and Ararat is at least 200 miles, if not more.  Therefore Mt. Judi and Ararat are 2 different mounts with 2 different locations.  Being on the same plateau does not mean same location.  With a distance of 200 miles between the 2 mounts, obviously the Ark stopped near one of these two mounts, not both.

See this map.  Look at the distance between Mt. Judi and Ararat. 


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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2015, 05:05:24 am »

That also reminds me to mention, with all the storytelling coming from argumentative and gossipy human minds, in the 1940s another person claimed that the Ark stopped at mount Sulaiman in Iran.  A U.S. sergeant who went on a so-called fact finding mission in 1943 climbed Mount Sulaiman with two of his friends.  It's a 15,000 feet mountain close to the Caspian sea and they say at 12,000 feet they found a massive formation the “looked like the petrified remains of an old Spanish galleon.” That gave rise to the story that  Noah’s ark is not on Mount Ararat in Turkey, but on Mount Suleiman in northern Iran.  Both extra-Quranic stories and has no place with us.  What is confirmed in the Quran goes no further.  Noah's Ark came to rest at Mount Judi in north-east Syria.
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2015, 05:16:35 am »

Thank you Sister.  Your logical perspective was very interesting to read.  And that map surely explains further. 

That US sergeant's claim about Mount Sulaiman is total rubbish.  A massive formation can be a result of dozens of phenomena.  It could be the result of an earthquake, it could be a meteor or small asteroid that came down thousands of years ago or it could have been the faded remains of some ancient prehistoric dwelling.  Who knows except Allah?  But Allah has confirmed it was not the place where the Ark stopped.  That's the only thing which matters.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2015, 05:20:26 am »

Exactly.  Most likely Reza Shah Pahlavi must have suggested to the American in 1943 to say that.  At the time Iran was an American colony.  The Shah worked for the Americans and in lieu of his services, the Americans paid him and tried to raise the profile of US-occupied Iran with stories like these that would attract the attention of common people.   
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2015, 05:21:13 am »

That is, actually, hugely possible.
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2015, 01:31:24 pm »

Islam 101 writes:  "In recent years  there have been some renewed attempts to locate the Ark.  ............

As sycophants of the altered bibles, they don't even want to confirm that the flood was not universal.  Islam101 also writes " .. one is also faced with the question of whether the Flood was universal or whether it was limited to the area inhabited by the people of Noah. This question remains unanswered to this day. Under the influence of Israelite traditions, it is believed that it was a universal Flood (Genesis 7: 18-24). The Qur'an, however, does not explicitly say so."  Well, the Quran explicitly asserts that the flood was a punishment only for the community of Noah.  Still the traditional Muslims claim the question is unanswered only because of that nonsensical content in Genesis written by some Christian Bukhari.   Just shows their lack of respect for the Quran.   

Some Muslim clerics cite Verse 11:48 as a possibility of the flood being universal, I don't know how?  Quote below:

"It was said (unto him): O Noah! Go thou down (from the mountain) .... and some nations (that will spring) from those with thee."  11:48.

How does this mean the flood was universal?  This only refers to the descendents of the people who were in the Ark.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2015, 01:35:39 pm »

Exactly.  Most likely Reza Shah Pahlavi must have suggested to the American in 1943 to say that.  At the time Iran was an American colony.  The Shah worked for the Americans and in lieu of his services, the Americans paid him and tried to raise the profile of US-occupied Iran with stories like these that would attract the attention of common people.  

Ahaa ha ha  .. you got it right Sister Ruhi.
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