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« on: July 03, 2015, 03:32:30 am »

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As-Salam Alaykum folks.  Here's a clarification for confused minds.

We had three guests for Iftar yesterday - my husband's friend, his wife and wife's brother - and the little party turned a bit quarrelsome  Cheesy Grin Cheesy  The brother was the freaky culprit.  Got into an argument with my husband, my brother and me.  That guy is in the so-called "progressive Muslims" block nurturing similar notions as found within the weird boundaries of Free Minds.  He was saying that in Jannat people won't necessarily be required to wear clothes.  The weirdo was jumping into utterly wrong conclusions by misinterpreting Verses 20:118 and 20:121.  He says that since Adam and his wife (he uses the word "Eve" without any confirmation from the Quran) were naked in the Paradise before being banished, so (according to him) it's okay to presume that Paradise is a place where clothing won't be necessary, that it's your choice whether or not you want to be clothed. 

In case anyone else has such ideas, let me tell you, it's totally wrong.  The fact that Adam and his wife were without clothes in Paradise soon after their creation was a different era of life altogether with different values.  Just as there is no concept of nakedness among animals or very small children on earth, somewhat at par with that concept there was no notion of nakedness in Paradise prior to the expulsion of Adam and his wife. 

Values of humans are established by Allah Almighty.  Whatever He ordains as forbidden or immoral or moral, are automatically learned by the adult human mind as they come of age, subsequently becoming incumbent upon them to obey those pronouncements established by the Divine Power.  There is a difference in the conception, abstraction and impression of the aspect of human nakedness before and after the banishment of Adam and his wife from Paradise.  After their banishment, God Almighty altered this law as a penalty for their disobedience that led to loss of their innocence.  Thus, nakedness from then onward was no longer an innocent way of living in Paradise for humans.  That's why they felt their shame and began covering themselves with the leaves of the Garden.  Of course, both Adam and his wife were soon after told to leave Paradise and sent to earth.  The same concept of guarding one's modesty with clothes exists for all descendents of Adam and his wife on earth.  The same concept will exist for those who are fortunate enough to receive Salvation and enter Paradise as reward of their good deeds.

Concept of modesty in Paradise before the expulsion of Adam and his wife:
"It is (vouchsafed) unto thee that thou hungerest not therein nor art naked,"  20:118.

Concept of modesty in Paradise after the expulsion of Adam and his wife:
"Then they twain ate thereof, so that their shame became apparent unto them, and they began to hide by heaping on themselves some of the leaves of the Garden. And Adam disobeyed his Rab, so went astray."  20:121.

In the following Verses Allah Almighty confirms that those who enter Paradise in the next life will be clothed:
"Their raiment will be fine green silk and gold embroidery. Bracelets of silver will they wear. Their Rab will slake their thirst with a pure drink."  76:21.

"Lo! Allah will cause those who believe and do good works to enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will be allowed armlets of gold, and pearls, and their raiment therein will be silk."   22:23.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2015, 12:16:34 pm »

Thank you so much Sister Ruhi.  A very interesting topic which has been drafted so well, MashAllah.

Actually even the traditionalist Hadithists tout this kind of rubbish via those utterly FALSE hadiths about 72 virgins and similar nonsense .. that they'll be naked.  Both these sets of people are suffering from severe MISGUIDANCE syndrome. 

Just a little unfortunate that the Iftar dinner turned "quarrelsome"  Cheesy   What about the couple, your husband's friend and his wife?  Were they on the freak's side or with you guys?
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2015, 12:37:29 pm »

Thank you for the post Sister Ruhi.  Those who nurture these types of obscenities about Paradise in their minds are not human beings. 




Actually even the traditionalist Hadithists tout this kind of rubbish via those utterly FALSE hadiths about 72 virgins and similar nonsense .. that they'll be naked.  Both these sets of people are suffering from severe MISGUIDANCE syndrome. 


You're absolutely right Sister Zeynab.  Both groups are misguided to the core.  Hadithists are no less into such absurd vulgarities.   For example, a couple of months ago a bastardly Egyptian imam named Muadh Al-Dardiri gave such a dirty sermon that it went viral on the internet out of sheer shock and disgust.  He vividly talked about the "lust" and "sexual" activities of men in Jannat while claiming 70% of those in Hell would be women, insinuating that while most women will rot in Hell, men will enjoy "100 virgins in one morning."  Most horrible of all, this criminal imam forges the name of the Prophet (pbuh), pinning up this LIE on the Final Messenger of Allah.  This hadith is by some vicious idiot who probably calls himself a "sahaba" named Zaid bin Aqram contained in Ibn Hanbal collection.  As a punishment Muadh al-Dardiri should be given the capital punishment, prior to which given a thousand lashes on his butts.
Here is the link of the video:
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/4973.htm
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2015, 12:55:54 pm »

Ya Allah ...... after watching that link of the bastard Muadh Al-Dardari, I have to admit that he is even worse than the bloody freak who ruined our Iftar dinner with arguments.  Had it been Dardari in his place, we wouldn't be able to resist the temptation of giving him a beating.  Of course such depravity is an integral part of all hadith collections.  But usually they keep such disgraceful lies hidden.  This bugger, Dardari, has the audacity of talking about it publicly ...... and the audience didn't walk out nor thrash him up ??  Isn't that another pathetic story? 




Actually even the traditionalist Hadithists tout this kind of rubbish via those utterly FALSE hadiths about 72 virgins and similar nonsense .. that they'll be naked.  Both these sets of people are suffering from severe MISGUIDANCE syndrome.



You're 100% right Sis.



Just a little unfortunate that the Iftar dinner turned "quarrelsome"  Cheesy   What about the couple, your husband's friend and his wife?  Were they on the freak's side or with you guys?


lol ,, yeah .. actually everyone knew the bugger is crazy.  The couple were not supporting him, they were constantly agreeing with us.  His sister (the friend's wife) also looked at me and chuckled making the sign -->  crazyones
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2015, 01:11:18 pm »

This video link is shocking and infuriating.  Honestly this criminal who claims to be an "imam" deserves the capital punishment for such degraded and shameless lies.  InshAllah, this enemy of Allah will rot in Hellfire. Not that I'm too surprised.  As I know, the so-called sahih bukhari & co. are flooded with such filth.  It's really difficult to pick which LIE of the hadith literature is the worst .. all of its falsehoods are so very, very, very BAD.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2015, 01:13:28 pm »

....... As I know, the so-called sahih bukhari & co. are flooded with such filth.  It's really difficult to pick which LIE of the hadith literature is the worst .. all of its falsehoods are so very, very, very BAD.

Exactly ....
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2015, 01:17:23 pm »

I am reeling with shock at the video link.

But let the readers stay just as focused on Sister Ruhi's article.  This is a very factual and important concept.  NO nakedness in Paradise.

Both traditionalists and Free Minders must be absolutely ignored.

Islam is ONLY the Quran.  Period.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2015, 01:23:57 pm »

And Sis Ruhi, sorry for the showdown at the Iftar dinner  Grin   A** kick both buggers - the freak and Dardiri though Dardiri needs a far more aggressive kick. 
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2015, 01:26:06 pm »

lol ,, very true.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2016, 07:04:07 am »

This is on reply to sister ruhi I this thread you mentioned about vulgar hadiths being kept hidden and indeed yes they are. There had to be good and bad hadiths otherwise we would never be able change to the true path. I have never heard one unsavoury hadith mentioned by anyone in the past. Except one revert couldn't understnd why prophet muhammad would have so many Jews beheaded at the Battle of the trench. But yes sister, all the dodgy hadiths are kept hidden.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 11:08:39 am »

... There had to be good and bad hadiths otherwise we would never be able change to the true path. ......

I think a genuine believer changes to the true path with the help of the Quran, brother Smiley  Not even the scant "good" hadiths can be given preference over the Quran nor be put at par with the Quran. 
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