Message #15925

[Heba E. Husseyn]

As-salam Alaikum brother Mushtaq.  One thing for sure, you'll find me brutally honest.  It seems  you're trying to unnecessarily argue probably to vent some fury because you were stopped in the previous post from touting extra-Quranic stuff.   But we honestly neither have the time nor the inclination for your kind of tantrums here. Not to mention, your comments are again out of context that do not at all conform with everything I stated.  I will define that in a moment.

Your knowledge about the Quran does not seem anything spectacular. Well, I too don't have detailed knowledge of a lot of Quranic narrations, no one does except Allah.  For that reason I make it clear that my opinion is only a possibility or an apparent possibility ... not sweeping assertions with the amount of confidence you pump into your statements.

The basic character of a prophet is, he will never lie,
he will never manipulate and he will never fear anything except ALLAH subhanavatala.....If he had lied, then ALLAH subhanavatala might had told us about his intentions

Did i ever say anything otherwise to make you presume that I meant Prophets lie or manipulate or fear anyone other than Allah, The Highest ????   Then why waste time on standard facts which I learned and got them embedded in my soul long ago?

So doubting the courage of Haroon alaisalam is wrong

When did I doubt his courage?  Ha?  when??  These insinuations are very impertinent and offensive on your part.  It seems that you are the one creating firqas  by acquiring a needlessly accusatory stance.
 

As far as gaining support of bani Israel is concerned, as a prophet of ALLAH subhanavatala, he could have fought against samiri & co all alone

Here's what I wrote:

"Haroon  possibly (and rightly) felt his brother could steer & control the situation to overcome the problem more effectively than himself; and probably it was not too easy for Haroon, in the absence of his brother Moses, to form his own group to fight As-Samiri.
We don't know the precise details of the situation but it's very likely that ......."

Hence everything I've mentioned above are likelihoods.  Only Allah knows the exact specifics, trivialities and characteristics of the entire episode of the Exodus.  How do you know Prophet Haroon could have fought Samiri & co. all alone?  Who gives you the authority to presume that with so much confidence as you express?   Allah helps the wise and thoughtful, not the rash and hasty.  There must have been some wisdom behind Haroon's decision to wait for his brother.  My opinion is, as I already mentioned, patience and taqwa.  And Allah knows best.  Somehow you never yet thought of perseverance/taqwa, one of the most outstanding qualities of all Prophets as elucidated in the Noble Quran many times.  Prophet Haroon told his brother that he didn't take any steps because he was afraid to creative divisions within the Israelis.  And you henceforth  jump to the conclusion that shirk is better than creating divisions.  Please don't waste our time with such unnecessary guessworks.

When Haroon alaisalam is saying that he don’t want to make firqa among bani Israel means he meant the every word he says

Yes of course he did.   Did I say anywhere that Prophet Haroon didn't mean what he said?  Then why are you quarreling by picking your own words and attributing them to me?

So every word from the quran we have to take as it is and we can make our own inputs

I repeat, if we make our own "inputs" we must remember to present them only as an opinion.  Except Allah, none has the authority to confirm it.  Frankly I don't know what your opinion is except a combative approach.  You have said nothing extraordinary nor anything new which anyone couldn't have already known at school level.

I am in forties, in my whole life span  I never heard that a single Muslim died fighting against shrik but billions of Muslims died and still getting killed because of sectarianism .. and still getting killed because of sectarianism

Well, hundreds if not thousands of believers were martyred in the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh) in Medinah and its outskirts by the kuffar during the process when Islam was being spread.  Thousands of Muslims periodically get killed in India in communal riots at the hands of kuffar.  Almost quarter of a million Muslims have recently been slaughtered and many more displaced and raped in Burma only on grounds of their Faith by the kuffar majority of that land.  This has been declared a genocide by at least 8 nobel laureates and the genocide is ongoing.  Last year several thousands of Muslims were butchered in CAR by hardline Christians only for being Muslims.  Remember the Balkan war from the mid to late 90s?  Two million Muslims were killed by Serbs only on account of their Faith and 80,000 Muslim women dishonored.  If I get into history, from medieval to modern, I could go on and on.   Most Muslims throughout the annals of history who have died at the hands of the kuffar were slaughtered without any provocations.  They died while peacefully living their lives.   And you say you never heard of Muslims dying fighting shirk until your forties?  You sure have wasted many of your years of your life in ignorance brother.

Don’t forget that shia and sunni had same aqedha in the initial stages

O really?  How brilliant.  As if we never knew that, ha?

As far as inexperienced reader is concerned , i think we don’t have to worry about them

Your approach has again misfired and this time you are trying to give leverage to your words by misinterpreting V.28:56.

First of all, we construct the rules to make our readings user-friendly.  Therefore we decide about whom we need to be concerned, not you.


Secondly, by inexperienced  reader we mean folks with good intent who are truly trying to understand the Monotheistic Faith.  The kind of statements you are making, juggling between shirk and sectarianism, can definitely be confusing  to newcomers in the Monotheistic Faith regarding their priorities.  We certainly do need  to worry about them because it's our responsibility at MV to try to simplify the priorities of the Quran for them as best as we can.  This is basically a read-only forum.  Most of our guests come to read, not interact and certainly not to argue for the sake of it like yourself.  Referring Verse 28:56, we are not trying to guide anyone.  That's why we've kept this a read-only forum.  We just present the facts to the best of our perception and effort, and the rest is up to the ones who read our works.  In fact you are the one who needs to grasp the Message V.28:56 and stop wasting your time talking to the kuffar at ffi.

Our job is to explore the truth

MV's job is to explore the truth for sure.   Only Allah knows best about your job.

Our time is precious and we aren't inclined to meddle in the kind of wrangling you attempt to set off.   Many thanks for nothing on that.


LET ME REITERATE.  SHIRK IS THE BIGGEST OFFENSE IN THE SIGHT OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY AND IT'S THE ONLY SPIRITUAL CRIME WHICH WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN IF A PERSON DIES IN THAT STATE.  I SAY THIS BECAUSE ALLAH CONFIRMED IT TO ALL HIS BELIEVING SLAVES.  SECTARIANISM IS VERY BAD BUT WE CANNOT SAY THAT IT IS AN UNFORGIVABLE SIN ON THE SAME PLATFORM AS SHIRK BECAUSE THE QURAN PLACES ONLY SHIRK IN THE UNFORGIVABLE CATEGORY.  NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS ISSUE.