Message #15994

[Zainab_M]

Walaikum As-Salaam dear sister and brother.  Here is some additional input about this excellent post. 





I put it up at Facebook too and was much appreciated.  Only trouble-maker tried to pick up an argument but couldn't.   Let me share that recent experience for the purpose of further clarifying Verse 10:5 to our readers. 

First that bugger commented after my post, saying "I think youre being far too generous with the translation."   Then he deleted his own comment .. an obvious sign of his own lack of confidence realizing his incorrectness but his ego didn't allow him to say that. 

Anyhow, I quoted his deleted comment and clarified using part of Sister Heba and Br. TS's text as follows, quote:


QUOTE -
"Someone who apparently has no idea of the original left a comment here stating "I think youre being far too generous with the translation" and then deleted it. Let me briefly clarify lest others too misunderstand similarly.

The term 'diyaan' (in conversation also pronounced as 'ziya' .. the 'z' often pronounced as 'd' in Arabic) refers to an indigenous source of light. The word 'nuran' comes from 'nur' which means simply light and denotes the brightness or glow found in a place, atmosphere or thing implying light coming from another source.
Hence: "l-shamsa diyaan wal-qamara nuran" = "sun a shining light, and the moon a derived or reflected light"

In total there are 28 Verses in which the Noble Quran mentions "moon" ((l-qamara, wal-qamari, wal-qamaru .. the variation in Arabic depends on the grammatical construction of the original Arabic Verse). Wherever there is a reference of light or brightness connected with the moon, there are no statements to denote that the moon is an indigenous source of light, unlike the sun, which is metaphorically referred to as a "lamp" (sirajan). Kindly also check the Corpus Quran that contains word-by-word translation on the precise grammatical context of every Verse. This one clarifies V.10:5.
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=10&verse=5... "
UNQUOTE -

I deleted the guy from my friends' list.  So he sent me an inbox message, as all crooks do, saying the following, quote ..

QUOTE -
"The point being that by the 7th century the world was quite was quite well aware of how the moon reflected the light of the sun.  people observed the shadow of the sun over the moon during an eclipse 1000 years prior and knew what was going on.  Dont try to pass it on as a miraculous revelation.  It wasnt.  But I thought whatever, not worth making an issue over.  Believe whatever you want..."
UNQUOTE -

He apparently didn't mind making a pointless issue out of it in my inbox but had no guts to face the public as my post got dozens of 'likes' and my clarification was also greatly appreciated.  He sensed that, deleted his comment and opted not to have a dialogue in the public board.   I replied to the kaffir saying regardless of his "point," no one in their right mind would be comfortable with someone consumed with hate for the Great Quran as himself meddling with their posts.  And that I would surely believe in what I perceived as true and appropriate and did not need his permission for that.  Then I blocked the sicko as it's pointless talking to such heathens surrounded with so much of darkness.

But let me give a solid reply here to his babbling in my inbox, to make sure anyone of our guest or member readers who nurture similar misguided ideas may get a chance to correct themselves.

According to that Facebook kaffir, people in the 7th century knew the moon reflects the sun's light.  That is a very generalized statement and needs lots of explaining, but I'll try to keep it as brief as I can. 

FIRST, apart from the fact that many modernists randomly attribute basic scientific findings to ancient Greeks, claims of Anaxagoras (supposedly a "philosopher and scientific explorer" in Athens) first discovering in approximately 450 BC that the moon reflected the sun's light does NOT mean the entire world in 450 BC knew about it, let alone everyone in 7th century Arabia.  This is on the presumption that Anaxagoras actually said it, which itself is unproven.  But even if he did mention it, we are talking about an era when there were no newspapers, no printing presses for mass publication of research, no TVs, no internet, no cell phones .. not even quick methods of travel for rapid spread of information like cars, trains or air planes and of course no widespread literacy among the masses with the awareness of preserving important information.  This is true not only concerning ancient Greece but the entire world at that period and for centuries to follow.  Almost all intellectual theories stated by ancient Greek thinkers - some correct and some incorrect - remained as written pieces for a limited number of years only within the intellectual circles of their cities or towns, and only to get destroyed or lost by invasions or the passage of time.  Many were also destroyed by their own governments followed by persecutions who saw such perceptions as heresy or an attempt to awaken the public.  So, if someone somewhere in Greece asserted in 500 BC or 400 BC that the moon reflected the sun's light, that had no bearing on the knowledge and awareness of people elsewhere in the world, be it Europe, Middle-East, Central Asia, China, Japan etc.  And no one on this side of the globe even knew of the existence of the American continent.  There might have also been some native Americans who came up with similar intellectual conjectures as possibilities in prehistoric ages only to be forgotten with the passage of time within their own community. 

SECONDLY, at the time when the Quran was revealed in the Arabian peninsula in 7th century, even the Jews of Arabia who were considered the educated ones, had no idea who Anaxagora was nor what he may have studied.  The pagans had absolutely no clue whatsoever.  People of the Arabian peninsula and all over the Middle-East didn't know a word of Greek, as they don't even today.  And back in those days, there was no concept of mass translations of scientific studies in Arabic.  The Noble Quran was the first Book which was handwritten in large numbers after it was arranged into chapters and compiled by Umar bin Khattab and completed by Usman bin Affan soon after the passing of the Prophet (pbuh).  The work of translating the original Divine Quran from Arabic to other languages began later.  And the practice of translating academic works of human authors or thinkers from other languages into Arabic began still later.

THIRDLY, even if you presume that ancient Greeks or Arabs before the advent of Islam did know that the moon reflected the sun's light, in what way does that discredit the assertion of Verse 10:5 is something that kaffir never bothered to explain.  All celestial matters we refer to as "scientific" discoveries are laws of the universe preordained and pre-constructed by Allah Almighty.  If some human 'intellect' discovers some such scientific aspect in 500 BC (or whenever), that person is simply finding out a truth which Allah had already implemented millions or possibly billions of years earlier.  But these kuffar have limited minds which also limits their ability to comprehend.  To pacify their own guilty souls, they try to put Islam and science on a collision course as if they can inform Allah of something about the universe which He doesn't know already, when He, and NONE else, is the Sole Creator of everything.