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Verse 10:5 reveals the differing nature of light from sun and moon


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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2015, 03:14:46 am »

SUBHAN'ALLAH ..... wow, wow and wow!   About the best thread I've ever read.  And let his wretchedness be upon the druze kaffir so he torments his soul with his own jealousy.  Day of Judgement will settle his account. 

This clarification highlighting the difference between diya and nur is an absolute linguistic fact.  Somehow I hadn't yet focused on it.  Like, when you pull the curtains or open the blinds in the morning after sunrise, the room gets filled with a bright glow.  That's nur and the sun is diya which sends that glow.  Thank you so much, to all of you, for bringing this remarkable point in the forefront. 

That unlettered druze dunce claims it's not a "miraculous revelation"??  It is a miraculous FACT from Allah.  During the creation of the universe, He ordained the sun and the moon of our solar system as such that earth's moon reflects the sun's light.  And Allah's miracles are still greater.  It's not just one moon, but all moons that accompany all planets of this solar system reflect derived light or nur, the sun being the diya in all cases.

Thanks again sisters and brother.  Allah bless your wisdom. 
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2015, 01:04:43 am »

So wisely perceived and spoken, my dear Sis Smiley   I'm glad you found this thread useful.  It's our responsibility to educate others, starting from our own kids, about the Truth of the Most Noble Quran.

Allah bless you.
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2020, 09:39:45 pm »




As-Salam Alaykum dear folks.     Returning to this gorgeous thread!!  InshAllah, we're having a Zoom discussion with our Islamic community centre on this topic coming Saturday as some moms are worried their young adult children claim Quran does not refer to moon as derived light.  These parents are mostly reaping the fruits of their own harvest by not giving enough time to their children when they were young.  So now, these hulking kids are pretty much deviated.  Secondly, Arabic not being the first language of most of them, they only rely on translations, and as we know there are certain issues which the translation cannot convey clearly and articulately as the original. 

I am preparing a write-up on this subject by wrapping up the contents of this thread focused on the point that, as we know, the Quran makes it ample clear  the sun is the source of light and the moon get lit up by the sun.  The eloquent Quranic method in Arabic is artistic and tasteful and it doesn't go along plain or literal descriptions as in a book of astronomy for middle school kids.  That makes it still harder for those with zero knowledge of Arabic language to follow because they make no effort to explore it. 

The following is my understanding of this thread which I intend to speak in the upcoming discussion, InshAllah.  Please correct me (if) wherever I'm wrong. 


Looking at few of the most often recited Verses which include Verses 10:5, 71:16, 25:61 and 42:52 .. all quoted as follows with original.  Please know the translations do not (and cannot) accurately explain this aspect as the original does because English lacks the necessary vocabulary and style to explicate this analogy.  Therefore stay firmly focused on the original alongside the translation.

(10:5)    هُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ ضِيَاءً وَالْقَمَرَ نُورًا وَقَدَّرَهُ مَنَازِلَ لِتَعْلَمُوا عَدَدَ السِّنِينَ وَالْحِسَابَ
"He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning." 


(71:16)      وَجَعَلَ الْقَمَرَ فِيهِنَّ نُورًا وَجَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ سِرَاجًا
"And has made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp ?"


(25:61)     تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ فِي السَّمَاءِ بُرُوجًا وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا سِرَاجًا وَقَمَرًا مُنِيرًا
"Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light! "


(42:52) وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ رُوحًا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا ۚ مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَٰكِنْ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا نَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ نَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۚ وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ 
"And thus have We inspired in you (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. You knew not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And indeed! you verily do guide unto a right path,"  


Let us consult the Quran to confirm this point by reading the literal comparisons as well as the variations. 


Verse 10:5  "He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning."  (Please refer to original Arabic above).

The sun is mentioned as radiant (ضِيَا  dhia) which literally means lamp or lighted candle, implying an object that emits light.  The moon is called light (نُورًا  nuran from 'nur') alluding to illumination and its reflection.   To clarify further, Allah says, the moon has phases which a radiant object like a lamp or lighted candle cannot have.  But since moon reflects light, hence it gives out light in accordance with the illumination which it receives from the original source.   In both Verses 10:5 as well as 71:16, the term "nuran" is used for moon. So the moon only gave out what it received, thus it has phases like the planets in the solar system. That is why we see the phases varying in intensity depending on the angle sun, moon, earth.  These phases have also been described in the Quran and summed up briefly and perfectly in Verse 36:39, "And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf." 

Now looking at Verse 25:61 "Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light! "   (Please refer to original Arabic above).

The word مُنِيرًا  ("muniran" from munir) which means light similar to nuran which is the moon, and the word
سِرَاجًا  ("sirajan" from siraj) for the sun.   Like the term "nuran," muniran also means something that shines, implying shining with light coming from around it or outside of it.  In Arabic the words nur and munir do not refer to light coming from the object itself like a lamp or electric bulb or lighted candle.  These translations are only used for the sun.  In original Arabic either "dhia" or "sirajan," both terms stand for lamp or lighted candle which give or produce their own light.  Arabic is a rich language, and Quranic Arabic in particular is tremendously eloquent!  Light which is thrown back or reflected is always in the form rays ➡  and thus it has to have an origin.  The origin is always the sun in all such Verses.  There's no equivalent for this in English explaining the difference between an object that originates light and another that reflects light.  But within the Arabic vocabulary, you do find separate sets of words defining the two kinds of light, originating and reflecting - sirajan or dhia and nuran or muniran, respectively.


Finally please refer to Verse 42:52 "And thus have We inspired in you (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. You knew not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And indeed! you verily do guide unto a right path,"  (Please refer to original Arabic above).

This is a metaphorical Verse.   As we've already understood, the term نوراً  (nuran) refers to something that glows after being illuminated.  The expression of reflected light is here used metaphorically, in a different context implying to something other than the moon.   The same word “nūran” (reflected light or illumination) alludes to the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), implying guidance that gets people out of darkness into light. The source of guidance (light or illumination) is Allah The Almighty.   The Quran and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are only reflecting that light or illumination (guidance) that is coming from Allah. 


So let everyone keep in mind, the Quran does NOT say anywhere that the light of the moon is inherent.  Nowhere at all. 
  


                                                                                                                                   
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2020, 11:27:26 pm »



Wa'Salam Sister Ruhi.    Alhumdulilah, I think you've summed it up very well with specifics in regard to the Arabic vocabulary from original Quranic Verses.  I don't have anything more to add.   Those intractable kids should now understand as the truth is very obvious .. unless they're arguing with a pre-conditioned mind and don't want to understand. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2020, 02:09:06 am »



Indeed that's wonderfully summed up, Sister Ruhi.   Zoom discussions during the pandemic lockdowns are real good idea.   Alhumdulilah.

Walaikum As-Salaam wa Rehmatullahi wa Barakatuhu.


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