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« on: January 26, 2016, 01:09:11 am »

As-salam Alayum all Smiley

Let me share this .....

A weird living room conversation popped up a month ago when we were invited at my sister's home for dinner.  It was a small gathering of 8 or 9 of us as we enjoyed our coffee and dessert after a sumptuous meal.  The rest comprised of all our kids watching Misri Bunch kinda series at the den.  It began with the conversation of jinn and the facts contained about them in the Noble Quran.  Fine until here.

Then someone asked if children below age 8 and animals could see jinn or sense any forthcoming dangers.  Talking on aspects like these, people often drift from concept to concept, mentioning points not warranted in the Noble Quran.  So I was silent, just kept listening to those folks.  In the midst of it, a relative of ours .. well not blood relative but my sister's husband's cousin whom I had met for the first time ... narrated a strange incident in her life.  It happened 11 years ago when she had a 4-year-old son who is now 15 (he stayed home and wasn't present at the dinner).  Back at that time the lady was pregnant with her second (or probably third) baby.  The 4-year-old boy requested his mother to play with him in their yard.  The father politely explained that mommy had a baby in her tummy and would InshAllah play after the baby was born but not now.  The little boy looked a bit confused and said "but that baby won't awake, it's dead."  The parents lovingly explained to the little child not to say such things as that unborn baby was his future sibling.  The little boy listened with a blank look but didn't say anything and the matter was closed.  Three or four days later the lady developed some medical issues and was taken to the emergency.  She spent several hours there when it was discovered that the fetus was dead.

Those who were claiming little kids can see jinn and sense future dangers jumped at this story, like, "I told you so" kind of attitude.  Anyhow, it was a nice evening but I never commented, we just listened.  Around 11 p.m. my husband, kids and me returned to our apartment (which is across the hallway in the same building ... lucky we!!  Grin).

A week later I told this bit to Nissmi (my niece), and she said had read an almost identical story at Reddit where a lady's 3-year-old daughter made a similar random comment on her pregnant aunt that came true a day or two later.

Frankly in my opinion, I am sure the accuracy of the comment was a fluke.  Young children and toddlers cannot sense the unseen nor can they see jinn.  Ordinary humans, regardless of age, don't have such capabilities as ordained by Allah. 

I have heard that animals can sense oncoming natural disasters like earthquakes.  Only Allah Almighty would know the truth about this.  I cannot comment.  But to say that little kids (or any one for that matter) would instantly know of a dead unborn baby in their mother's womb is not true.

My purpose of putting this up is to tell people not to get carried away by such stories.

Your opinion would be interesting to read.
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2016, 01:48:53 am »



 Around 11 p.m. my husband, kids and me returned to our apartment (which is across the hallway in the same building ... lucky we!!  Grin).


Indeed !!  Grin Thumbsup Thumbsup   That must be so convenient .. ha !!?

Walaikum Salam dear sis!   Coming to the interesting topic you share. 

You're right.  I too don't believe that such stuff happen.  Such a concept is generally unwarranted from the Quranic view point.  Comments from little children and toddlers seldom mean the way they sound.  Needless to say, no one - child nor adult - possesses supernatural abilities.  Allah Almighty had only granted by His will the ability to work certain miracles to a selected number of His Prophets and that's all. 

It's not at all unusual for kids, particularly below age 6 or 7, so say creepy stuff.  Kids don't just talk funny, they can also talk strange or weird based on their own kid logic they view in their immature minds that are in the process of growing.  That 4-year-old may have perceived the aspect of being unborn as absence from this world and thus equated it with "dead."  Little kids within their little minds often make connections in black & white.  The condition of death or mortality may not necessarily mean a person falling dead before their eyes.  According to the interpretation of their little brains, it could mean anyone who isn't present to be seen and known.  And of course, her mother's medical problem a day or two later diagnosing a dead fetus was definitely a co-incidence.  Though co-incidents aren't everyday occurrences but they aren't unheard of either.  They do happen every now and then.  And such a thing as described by that lady can surely happen by chance, not at all impossible.  In fact, its possibility is far more than the ignorant presumption of kids having supernatural abilities, while Allah knows best.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2016, 02:00:34 am »

Kids have their own vocabulary which may sound like ours but aren't meant to convey the same meaning to them inside their tiny heads.  They may say something which could sound quite straight forward and similar to what an adult may tell you.  But in the mind of that little child their comment may carry a completely different idea, peculiar to their own understanding of matters.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2016, 02:01:46 am »

Precisely ...!
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2016, 02:08:32 am »

@ Heba, Br.TS, so correct.  After all he was only a 4-year-old.  The stage of being unborn was perceived by him as dead or sleeping.  It's also possible that when he said "the baby won't awake, it's dead"  he may have meant that it won't wake up cause it's fast asleep.

I recall, when my nephew was a toddler he would always use the word "evening" to express "tomorrow."  Many times after lunch or dinner we would ask him if he would like fruits or dessert, and if he wasn't in the mood for it, he would say "no, I'll have it in the evening."  That didn't literally mean "evening."  It simply meant next day or any time later on.  Just an example to show the vocabulary of kids that's only understood by them and is often warped from our perspective.

Such incidents may happen, in that, kids can say such things.  But they can be analyzed, unraveled and explained.  They aren't inexplicable.

And of course only Allah knows the final truth.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2016, 02:11:08 am »

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I recall, when my nephew was a toddler he would always use the word "evening" to express "tomorrow."  Many times after lunch or dinner we would ask him if he would like fruits or dessert, and if he wasn't in the mood for it, he would say "no, I'll have it in the evening."  That didn't literally mean "evening."  It simply meant next day or any time later on. 

How cute.  This is so common with kids and it greatly explains this issue.  When one of my daughters was between the ages of 2 and 6 (she's now 10 and very rational) she would say "my body feels scratchy" whenever she would feel warm in summer months.  Thus, scratchy or itchy = warm and stuffy feeling.   It took us a while to grasp that "code" and "de-code" it correctly Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2016, 02:14:19 am »

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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2016, 02:16:40 am »

lol, yes that's the way it is with children at that age.

Btw the parents of the boy who is now 15 should ask him if he remembers what he said.  If he does, then let him say what was going on in his mind or what he felt when he said that.  Most likely he will say he doesn't recall saying it.  That should be sufficient proof of the fact that he said it off the bat - the kid language - otherwise if it really had to do with any supernatural abilities then one should to expected to recall significant events or words spoken concerning it, regardless of age.   That's what common sense tells me.   And Allah-o-Alim.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2016, 02:17:38 am »

Very thoughtful point.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2016, 02:19:56 am »

Yes, she said they did ask him several times about it from the time he was 12 until 14 or so.  And yeh, that's exactly what he replied, that he recalls saying no such thing Smiley


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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2016, 02:21:07 am »

There you are!  It was just kiddish talk which wasn't supposed to be interpreted literally from my point of view  Grin

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2016, 02:23:45 am »

hmmm  Smiley   Many thanks sisters and brother for the perfectly rational points you folks expressed.   Very illuminating and highly appreciated.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2016, 02:30:26 am »

Your most welcomed sister.



My purpose of putting this up is to tell people not to get carried away by such stories.

Very good reminder.  Alhumdulilah.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2016, 02:31:52 am »

Very welcomed sister and thank you for sharing it.
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