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« on: April 16, 2016, 03:09:45 am »

 salamem  everyone.

We have already discussed the gross misinterpretations of Quranic Verses by Hadith "scholars" trying to justify the un-Quranic concept of punishment in the physical grave. Check our thorough analysis at the above link please, if you're not sure of this topic.

Another absurd blunder by the unauthentic institution of Hadith claims that there is also a punishment in the physical grave for those people who could not keep their clothes clean or dry from the impurity of urine.  Apart from the fact that punishment inside the grave is not stated anywhere in the Quran, let us focus on the other aspect claimed by Hadith on Divine punishment for those who couldn't keep their clothes dry from urine.  Following is the silly Hadith.

[Sahih Bukhari, Vol 2, Book 23, Hadith #443]
The Hadith of Ibn Abbas narrated that The Prophet once passed by two graves and those two persons (in the graves) were being tortured. He said, "They are being tortured not for a great thing (to avoid). One of them never saved himself from being soiled with his urine, while the other was going about with calumnies (to make enmity between friends). He then took a green leaf of a date-palm tree split it into two pieces and fixed one on each grave. The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Why have you done so?" He replied, "I hope that their punishment may be lessened till they (the leaf) become dry."


Also quoting the scrappy commentary of a thoughtless Hadith follower below:

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In the above Hadith it is clearly defined that the one who does not take precaution against urine deserves the torment of the grave. Imam Ibn Khuzaimah reported in his Sahih on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Prophet said: "The maximum torment of grave is for not avoiding urine", i.e. for not having kept away from urine to touch one's body or clothes. One reason for this torment might be that not cleaning oneself from urine causes ritual impurity and in the state of impurity prayer of the person is not valid so it causes annulment of the prayers which is also another great sin. Allah knows best.
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If the clothes of a normal adult get polluted by urine, it can only happen if urine falls on the person accidentally from somewhere in the surroundings, in which case of course, that person will surely change, wash and perform a fresh wudu.  Or, it can happen if the person has a health problem involving incontinence or partial incontinence when the bladder cannot  control the urine.  Otherwise, no one ever enjoys peeing on their clothes for the fun of it.  Those who are totally incontinent have a catheter attached to their bladder and urine keeps dripping into the catheter almost constantly.  Such conditions of incontinence or partial incontinence can happen because of many different medical reasons and can happen to anyone, to a sincere believer or a disbeliever.  Supposing it happens to a true believer with a firm iman and profound love for Allah Almighty in their heart.  Would any one be stupid enough to claim that despite the believer's sincerity, Allah won't accept them because of their health problem which, needless to say, is NOT their fault?  Allah Almighty has confirmed repeatedly in the Noble Quran regarding His mercy, clemency, His eagerness to forgive and His infinite bounty & love even toward those who are not too worthy.  Will Allah ever punish anyone (not in the grave but in the Hereafter) whose bladder failed and the person was medically incontinent?  If such a person is a disbeliever, they will surely be punished for their disbelief, not for being physically unable to control their urine because of a medical condition.  And such a thing can only happen if there is a medical condition.  I repeat, there is no such notion as intentionally spraying your clothes with pee, unless you have a mental health issue.  In that case again, The Almighty will judge the matter from a very different perspective.

This nonsensical Hadith is talking about normal adults polluting their clothes, as if it's some sort of common sport which people go about playing to get a kick out of it.

When will the Hadith institution wake up and quit babbling such insanity?

If any believer reading this has a medical problem causing incontinence or has a catheter attached to their bladder, please know that you do not have to worry about it at all.  You can perform Tayyumum or dry ablution and offer all your salats just like anyone else.  All you need to focus upon is your sincerity towards Allah, The One and Only, and your righteous intent/deeds based on Quranic instructions and principles like it's required of any normal or healthy believer.
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2016, 02:05:24 am »

This hadith is just so nasty and insensitive.  Not just that but only a thoroughly illiterate person can narrate and compile such hogwash.  One of the biggest problems with Hadithists is that they never take the aspect of intent (niyyah) into account which has been given such great importance in the Quran.  According to these demented hadith rogues, the sin of zina can be erased with wudu water but a person who is medically ill with a bladder condition will earn the wrath of Allah if that person's urine spills on to his clothes.

Thank you dear Sister Heba for exposing the discrepancy of this common and false hadith.  Well, as you rightly said, the hadith institution is itself false.  Walaikum As-Salaam to you and your family.   Allah bless.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2016, 02:24:43 am »

Yes terrible.  This narration is a very widely circulated offensive one.  It contains two falsehoods in one.  First the presumption about punishment in the physical grave totally unwarranted by the Quran.  Second, the concept of making sinners out of helpless people which can only imply to the medically unfit. 




[Sahih Bukhari, Vol 2, Book 23, Hadith #443]
....... He then took a green leaf of a date-palm tree split it into two pieces and fixed one on each grave. The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Why have you done so?" He replied, "I hope that their punishment may be lessened till they (the leaf) become dry."

 


And read this.  This sort of utter senselessness is rambled in many ahadith of which you can make no head nor tail.  The Prophet (pbuh) did not have the authority to lessen anyone's punishment .. and neither did he know what was happening to those who had passed on to the next world.  Furthermore, what does a leaf drying up have to do with anyone's punishment getting lessened?   Honestly jokes apart, such stuff are only spoken by people with mental health issues in mental health clinics.  The likelihood of the compiler being the fraud is greater than the narrator because if the compiler was a sane human being, he would never collect such corrupted narrations.  Bukhari definitely had clear cut neurotic issues.    
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2016, 02:33:50 am »

Right on brother TS, both points.
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2016, 10:58:58 pm »

Actually, brother TS, the lying champs of Bukhari & co. have combined 3 resounding falsehoods in one mad narration this time, calmly defying the Noble Quran, as usual.

First, the random guesswork on punishment in physical grave.
Second, giving its own judgement condemning those who can only be medically unwell, physically or mentally.
Third, falsely depicting Prophet (pbuh) as having knowledge of the Unseen whereas in reality he did not.

"Say: For myself I have no power to benefit, nor power to hurt, save that which Allah willeth. Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I should have abundance of wealth, and adversity would not touch me. I am but a warner, and a bearer of good tidings unto folk who believe."  (7:188) Al-Araf. Noble Quran

The above Verse is enough to immediately throw away this Hadith out of the window.

Right on Sis Zeynab.  Intent or niyyah which is of utmost importance in the Quran is completely ignored in the Hadith specifically for the purpose of lambasting the innocent and defending the sinful.



 

This nonsensical Hadith is talking about normal adults polluting their clothes, as if it's some sort of common sport which people go about playing to get a kick out of it.


 Grin

I wouldn't be surprised if Bukhari and folks like Abu Huraira etc.  did really practice it as a "sport."   Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2016, 11:17:05 pm »

Dear Sister Ruhi, many thanks for an excellent comprehensive summary with evidence from the Noble Quran. 

Allah bless you all.  Ameen.

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