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About the tale: "Shehrazade and Thousand and One Nights"

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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2021, 10:07:52 pm »




Yes, these appear comparatively more acceptable than the rest, especially that of the woman.   Normally when you look up in the open sky, you can only think of Allah Almighty.    But these westerners and other non-Muslims have strange ideas.
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2021, 10:09:17 pm »




  ..... Normally when you look up in the open sky, you can only think of Allah Almighty.    But these westerners and other non-Muslims have strange ideas.


Exactly, that's what my sister and I thought as well.


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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2021, 10:14:59 pm »




I would like to put up the painting of the lady in our Pinterest medieval Islamic lifestyle board with the caption "fiction .. just an illustration from rubaiyat."   

Brother TS, can you ask your sister if it's okay if I borrow?

 
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2021, 10:16:34 pm »




Of course Sister Zeynab, it's perfectly okay 😀   


No need to ask my sister. 

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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2021, 10:17:59 pm »



Thank you very much dear brother.
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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2021, 05:55:44 pm »



Btw, are the stories titled "Turkish tales" any different from Arabian Nights?
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2021, 05:56:54 pm »



Nope, exactly the same damn thing.
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2021, 05:57:24 pm »



No difference ......
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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2022, 03:16:30 pm »



Isn’t it true that “1001 Nights” has an Arabic translation “Alf Layla wa Layla.”  How exactly does this expression correspond to the Arabian Nights fictions?   Some basic details on the background would be helpful.
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2022, 06:23:55 pm »



Alf Layla wa Layla means thousands of nights.  The Arabic word for ‘thousand’ is ‘alf’ and ‘wa’ means ‘and.’  It literally translates into ‘thousand nights and nights.’  Or simply, many nights.  It’s not supposed to correspond to the fictions of 1001 Nights.  This title “alf Layla wa Layla” is a romantic song describing a starry night with shiny moon etc. the usual stuff poets are hung up on.  It was sung by an Egyptian singer, Um Kulsoom, who died in 1975.  She was reportedly very popular in Egypt among music lovers.  The line ‘alf Layla wa Layla’ is a part of this song claiming that the beautiful romantic night is worth ‘thousands of nights.’ 

There is no connection between this and the Arabian Nights stories involving Shahrazade and the king.  This song and Arabian Nights fictions are two different tales.  The Arabian Nights fictions is dubbed as 1001 Nights because it involves the lady telling a total of 1,001 stories to the king after which all her stories were exhausted and she had nothing more to say.  This set of fictions in Persian is known as "Hazar Afsana" which translates to 'Thousand Stories.'  To fit the Arabic expression 'alf Layla wa Layla" as a connotation to 1001 nights, it is sometimes spoken as "thousand nights and a night."  The definition of "layla" (or lail) in Arabic is  'night' or 'dark' referring to darkness of the night.  It has no other definitions.  It does not have a plural.  That can only be discerned from the construction of the phrase or sentence.  Since "alf" in Arabic refers to "thousand" therefore "alf layla" would mean 'thousand nights." 

Needless to say, it's just idle entertainment which gets more and more complicated.  For the fictitious character, Shaharazade, her stories were a way to stay alive.  But from those tales, other characters begin to tell their own fabricated fibs and the narrative thread always ends up complex and intricate leaving readers wondering "what the heck?"  Often not the best entertainment.  Unfortunately these lengthy set of fibs have had an impact on the minds of Western authors making it still more messy.  Not surprising.  Inherently Western "intellectualism" dwells largely on fantasy and reveries for beautifying their thoughts and works.   Poets like  Dickens, Wordsworth, Coleridge and more were totally overwhelmed by the variety of stupidity found within 1001 Nights, producing copycat fictions as the "Shaharazades" of their own culture and times.   Many silly, some indecent, tales were also written in the fairy-tale category, for example ‘Bluebeard’ by Charles Perrault, an illustration of which you posted at our gallery for discussion and Sister Zainab provided an informative write-up on it.  Though this is an Irish tale, the illustration is exactly like the ones in Arabian Nights.  Still more ridiculous, several 20th century writers have constructed modern versions of these fables.   For instance, fiction stories of Aladdin and his enchanted lamp, the seven voyages of Sinbad the Sailor, Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves etc. have been written and re-written by many Western authors in modern times with elements of modern culture. 

Arabian Nights tales have also been translated by modern authors with a mix of allspice and plenty of frills.  In 1990 it was translated in English by Iraqi born Hussain Haddawy who has lived most of his life outside Iraq.  In 1994 it was edited in New York by another group of authors.  Back in 1885 it was translated by Richard Francis Burton.  His translations are considered most controversial with plenty of cultural inaccuracies amounting to false propaganda about the Arab culture.  A very common attitude of Western authors.

To conclude, these are just fictions.  Arabian Nights started as fictions, remain to be fictions, so no one cares what sort of hash writers and poets make out of it.  And the song, Alf Layla wa Layla, and Arabian Nights stories are two very separate fictional entertainments.  The song has a different connotation and does not represent the latter.
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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2022, 07:04:14 pm »



Big thanks Sis, very interesting input.
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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2022, 07:05:19 pm »



For sure very informative input.   Any idea when and how these trashy fictions started?
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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2022, 07:10:00 pm »



Presumably, started around 2nd or 3rd centuries or earlier (Allah Almighty knows best). But obviously continued for several centuries after that.  How these tales got triggered is also not known.  Most likely there was no triggering factor.  Story-telling (particularly romantic fictions) were a popular pastime in ancient times when little or no breakthrough was yet made in the field of education, learning and discoveries. 
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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2022, 07:10:51 pm »



Yeah, that sounds very possible.
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