Guests wanting to sign-up as members MUST first introduce themselves in detail at Zainab's Lounge, accessible from Muslim Villa's Guestbook Board (top sticky post titled "Zainab's Lounge"). Approval of members is at the discretion of the MV Team. You have arrived at a place of serious learning through mutual consultation where we have zero tolerance for trouble-makers, narcissists and needless disputants. We simply stand for what is compatible with the Sublime Quran regardless of titles such as "traditionalism" or "modernism."
Muslim Villa
December 13, 2018, 06:25:47 am
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 
  Home Help Search Arcade Gallery Links Staff List Calendar Login Register  

When Prophet Moses and some of his companions experienced earthquake (V.7:155)


+-
Shoutbox
October 09, 2018, 09:50:31 pm Ruhi_Rose: Salam brother.  Very easy. First click on the board title you wish to post in.  You'll find main board topics below and sub-boards (default label "child boards") above.  If you wish to post in main board click "new topic" button on top left.  If you wish to post in any of the sub-boards, click on that sub board title and then click "new topic" button on above left side.  You'll get the format for typing your post, then click "post" button below.
October 06, 2018, 12:46:27 pm momin: how can i post things here if i have something to post. Smiley
 Smiley
September 14, 2018, 12:33:22 am Ruhi_Rose: Yes br. TS, that's a very important article to read.
September 14, 2018, 12:08:22 am N. Truth Seeker: Thank u.  Allah bless u for remembering, sister.   Also reminding our guests to read: The traditional declaration of fasting on the 10th of Muharram .... the real story behind it. Same article in the blog too.
September 13, 2018, 11:09:22 pm Zeynab: Muharram 1440 A.H.
Please read why our Islamic new year is full of tragic memories.
June 08, 2018, 08:49:28 pm Heba E. Husseyn: Leilatul Qadr 1439 (2018) on June 8. To learn about this great Night, read our posts on Leilatul Qadr @ this thread.
May 16, 2018, 04:03:41 am Ruhi_Rose: Ramadan Mubarak to u too brother and to everyone.  May Allah accept our efforts.  Ameen.
May 16, 2018, 04:01:41 am N. Truth Seeker: Ramadan 2018 Mubarak to all.  Just finished sahoor, getting ready for Fajr.  Alhumdulilah.
View Shout History
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Send this topic  |  Print  
Author Topic: When Prophet Moses and some of his companions experienced earthquake (V.7:155)  (Read 41 times)
Ruhi_Rose
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA The Avid Reader | Mom of 3 cute rascals
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2930



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« on: September 10, 2018, 12:55:30 am »


 BismEm


"And Moses chose of his people seventy men for Our appointed tryst and, when the trembling came on them, he said:  My Rab! If You had willed You had destroyed them long before, and me with them. Will You destroy us for that which the ignorant among us did ? It is but Your trial (of us). You send whom You will astray and guide whom You will:  You are our Protecting Friend, therefore forgive us and have mercy on us, You, the Best of all who show forgiveness. "  7:155  Al-Araf.

Some readers have opined that this Verse refers to the same occurrence as Prophet Moses' meeting with The Almighty when Moses was given the Divine Revelation.  But from what I know, Prophet Moses went alone to receive the Divine Scripture from The Almighty.

Your comment please.



Report Spam   Logged

Heba E. Husseyn
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA Villa Artisan
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3512



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2018, 01:25:08 am »


That's right.  Prophet Moses went alone for the Divine Revelations when he also spoke to ALLAH.     The incident referred in  V.7:155 is different which happened later.

Prophet Moses and 70 other men (obviously men of good repute) were apparently summoned by The Almighty so that they present themselves before HIM on behalf of the community to beg forgiveness for the sin of worshiping the golden calf committed by the people and to renew the covenant of obedience to Allah alone.  We are not sure of the venue of this occasion.  Some commentators mention Mount Sinai but the Quran does not confirm that. 

According to the Talmud, which is the Jewish hadith similarly full of lies and disinformation, claims that the purpose of this meeting was to provide Prophet Moses with new tablets because some of the old ones were broken when Prophet Moses cast them down in anger after seeing the Israelites turning back to idolatry.  None of the tablets containing the Divine Commandments ever broke.  Moses  simply put the tablets at a certain place, and then, in utter shock and anger went to speak to his brother Aaron who told him what had happened.


Related posts:
Who was As-Samiri?
Verse 2:54, When Moses returned and saw his people worshiping calf
Mount Sinai or طور سيناء, Ṭūr Sīnā




Report Spam   Logged

Ruhi_Rose
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA The Avid Reader | Mom of 3 cute rascals
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2930



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2018, 01:33:22 am »



Thanks plenty Sis Heba.  I didn't know this. 

Btw, the Talmud's lie of tablets breaking has such a striking resemblance with the nature of lies in the hadith.
 

Report Spam   Logged

Heba E. Husseyn
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA Villa Artisan
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3512



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2018, 01:38:32 am »



Welcome dear Sis Ruhi.


Btw, the Talmud's lie of tablets breaking has such a striking resemblance with the nature of lies in the hadith. 

lol, yeah, that's right.

Report Spam   Logged

Zeynab
TEAM MV Founder
Admin
Hero Member
*
Posts: 4483



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2018, 02:49:52 am »


Salaam and thank you Sister Heba.   That was informative.  So actually we are not sure that it was Mount Sinai where Prophet Moses received the Divine Commandments or some other spot in the region close by, right?  The Arabic word used in the Quran for mountain is 'Jabal' in many Verses in connection with various topics.   But when the Quran refers to the location where Prophet Moses was summoned by The Almighty, it mentions the word "Tur" (طور).   Readers have not been able to give any confirmed reason for that.  It's very interesting to note that Allah Almighty has specifically decided certain information to be undisclosed to humans.  Example, no one except Allah knows which precise day is the Night of Qadr during the month of Ramadan.  Similarly it appears that Allah has decided  not to disclose the exact location where Prophet Moses (pbuh) was summoned.   For everything not disclosed to us, HE has a perfect reason.  All praise be to Allah alone.



Report Spam   Logged

Heba E. Husseyn
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA Villa Artisan
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3512



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2018, 03:05:36 am »



Welcome dear Sis Zeynab.   That's a great point you brought up.   The Arabic word for 'mount' is 'tur.'   Actually the Arabic word 'jabal' does not carry a very different definition from the English words 'mountain' or 'mount.'   The term mount actually relates to mountain.  'Mount' is primarily stated to define the name of a mountain or the name of the place where the mountain is located, and thus that mountain gets its name from the place where it's located.  E.g Mount Everest is simply the name of the mountain.  Mount Sinai  is the name of the mountain located in the Sinai peninsula.  Similarly when the Quran mentions the word "tur" or "Mount"  it may automatically refer to Mount Sinai as that's the most predominant mountain in the region.  This is simply an opinion.  Only Allah Almighty would know whether or not this opinion has the right connotation;  also only HE would know the reason for not disclosing the location where Prophet Moses was summoned to receive His Commandments and the location where Prophet Moses was summoned with 70 other individuals.

Mount Sinai  (طور سيناء) is mentioned in the Quran in at least two Verses for sure, 23:20 and 95:2, but not in connection of Prophet Moses' visit.


Report Spam   Logged

Zeynab
TEAM MV Founder
Admin
Hero Member
*
Posts: 4483



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2018, 03:13:21 am »



Very correctly put Sister Heba.
Report Spam   Logged

N. Truth Seeker
Quiet guy technology nerd | TEAM MUSLIM VILLA
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2036



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2018, 04:36:03 am »


The deviation of the Hebrews also proves that before Prophet Moses, these Hebrews were idolaters (cow worshipers).  That's why they slumped back so quickly into their former state in the absence of Prophet Moses.   They did this even after seeing with their own eyes the most amazing portent of Allah - parting of the sea.



...... The term mount actually relates to mountain.  'Mount' is primarily stated to define the name of a mountain or the name of the place where the mountain is located, and thus that mountain gets its name from the place where it's located.  E.g Mount Everest is simply the name of the mountain.  Mount Sinai  is the name of the mountain located in the Sinai peninsula.  Similarly when the Quran mentions the word "tur" or "Mount"  it may automatically refer to Mount Sinai as that's the most predominant mountain in the region.  This is simply an opinion.  Only Allah Almighty would know whether or not this opinion has the right connotation;  .........

A very sensible opinion, Alhumdulilah.

Report Spam   Logged



HE WHO KNEELS BEFORE ALLAH CAN
STAND BEFORE ANYONE.
Heba E. Husseyn
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA Villa Artisan
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3512



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2018, 04:43:08 am »



The deviation of the Hebrews also proves that before Prophet Moses, these Hebrews were idolaters (cow worshipers).  That's why they slumped back so quickly into their former state in the absence of Prophet Moses.   They did this even after seeing with their own eyes the most amazing portent of Allah - parting of the sea.

Yes, they were cow worshipers, similar to the hindus of india at present. 

And yes, just imagine!  They personally saw such an awesome portent of Allah and yet slipped into deviation as they were before.  This means basically they must have been very, very ignorant.

Report Spam   Logged

N. Truth Seeker
Quiet guy technology nerd | TEAM MUSLIM VILLA
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2036



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 01:12:52 am »


That's correct sister.  Deviants have their own variety, people can be misguided with many different sick ideas.  Alas!  how they're wasting their time on earth.
Report Spam   Logged



HE WHO KNEELS BEFORE ALLAH CAN
STAND BEFORE ANYONE.
Zeynab
TEAM MV Founder
Admin
Hero Member
*
Posts: 4483



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2018, 04:37:00 am »



That's right brother TS, sister Heba.  Those hebrews were originally cow worshipers similar to the hindus of India at present.   That was proven by the nature of their deviation.  It was indeed indescribably shocking and shameful that they slipped back into the ignorance of polytheism and disbelief after seeing such a magnificent and stunning portent of Allah right before their eyes.  Such folks ruin their own souls.

Report Spam   Logged


Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Send this topic  |  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by EzPortal
Scammers & spammers will be reported | If you borrow MV contents you must mention our link with hypertext | MV Team is not responsible for comments by members or guests.
Bookmark this site! | Upgrade This Forum
SMF For Free - Create your own Forum

Buy traffic for your forum/website
Powered by SMF | SMF © 2016, Simple Machines
Privacy Policy