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« on: April 07, 2019, 01:27:16 pm »



Salams and hey kiddos ...... if you're too young to offter salat, make sure you stop your monkey business when you watch your family offering salat.






When kids are too young and watch their parents and older siblings pray, they do sometimes carry out these funny little acrobats.  But elders need to explain to them very lovingly and patiently so they realize that offering salat is not playtime. 


Instead try to follow the example of this family:



The closer you get to Allah, the closer you get to each other.   A family that prays together, stays together.   The closer you get to Allah, the brighter your mind is lit up with knowledge.



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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2019, 01:42:30 pm »


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That cute lil one on his dad's shoulders is much too young to understand the importance.   But yes, parents and older siblings should gradually make the lil ones understand the significance of salat time in a manner full of affection.

The second pic is incredible, love it.


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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2019, 03:54:32 am »



The second one is absolutely gorgeous.  It doesn't come easy.  Everyone needs to play their part, parents as well as kids.  If parents work hard and kids aren't destined to be among the guided ones, the poor parents are left with much to be desired.  But usually hard work of parents in early stages of their children's lives bears delicious fruits. 

Looking at the hyper tricks pic, we know we gotta keep our posture such that we face the Kaa'ba while offering salat in a normal and relaxed manner.  The Noble Quran confirms that.  However, the traditional concept is more into geometry, in that, the direction of your face must not move even an inch, not even a centimeter.  But that isn't exactly what the Noble Quran alludes to.   I mean, if a fly is buzzing around your face while you're offering salat, you brush aside the fly with a gesture of your hand and in the process your face moves a little towards the right or left, that really does not matter, does it?  But many traditionalists may disagree.    I would think in such a case as image one, the father can carefully lift the kid from his shoulders and put him on the carpet beside himself and then continue his salat.  In the process if the direction of his face tilts or moves a bit to another direction, that does not matter at all, as long as the intention or niyyah is intact, right? 


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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2019, 04:09:28 am »





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Looking at the hyper tricks pic, we know we gotta keep our posture such that we face the Kaa'ba while offering salat in a normal and relaxed manner.  The Noble Quran confirms that.  However, the traditional concept is more into geometry, in that, the direction of your face must not move even an inch, not even a centimeter.  But that isn't exactly what the Noble Quran alludes to.   I mean, if a fly is buzzing around your face while you're offering salat, you brush aside the fly with a gesture of your hand and in the process your face moves a little towards the right or left, that really does not matter, does it?  But many traditionalists may disagree.    I would think in such a case as image one, the father can carefully lift the kid from his shoulders and put him on the carpet beside himself and then continue his salat.  In the process if the direction of his face tilts or moves a bit to another direction, that does not matter at all, as long as the intention or niyyah is intact, right? 




Dear sister Heba, I've thought of this precise point so many times Smiley   You sound so correct.  I'm sure that's exactly what the Noble Quran refers to as you explained.  But growing traditionalism coming from humans makes it rigidly geometrical; in the process they completely forget about the niyyah.  Of course, I do not at all mean interrupting our salat every now and again by looking here and there.  Certainly not.  If the niyyah is unscathed, no one would be that careless.  But slight instinctive or spontaneous movements which may shift the position of one's face are not the type of things that the Quran refers to.  I absolutely agree with your perception. 

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Looking at the hyper tricks pic, we know we gotta keep our posture such that we face the Kaa'ba while offering salat in a normal and relaxed manner.  The Noble Quran confirms that.  However, the traditional concept is more into geometry, in that, the direction of your face must not move even an inch, not even a centimeter.  But that isn't exactly what the Noble Quran alludes to.   I mean, if a fly is buzzing around your face while you're offering salat, you brush aside the fly with a gesture of your hand and in the process your face moves a little towards the right or left, that really does not matter, does it?  But many traditionalists may disagree.    I would think in such a case as image one, the father can carefully lift the kid from his shoulders and put him on the carpet beside himself and then continue his salat.  In the process if the direction of his face tilts or moves a bit to another direction, that does not matter at all, as long as the intention or niyyah is intact, right? 




Dear sister Heba, I've thought of this precise point so many times Smiley   You sound so correct.  I'm sure that's exactly what the Noble Quran refers to as you explained.  But growing traditionalism coming from humans makes it rigidly geometrical; in the process they completely forget about the niyyah.  Of course, I do not at all mean interrupting our salat every now and again by looking here and there.  Certainly not.  If the niyyah is unscathed, no one would be that careless.  But slight instinctive or spontaneous movements which may shift the position of one's face are not the type of things that the Quran refers to.  I absolutely agree with your perception. 



Well perceived sisters.  It would be a good idea to have a separate discussion on this topic.  That first pic is a good example of articulating this point.  The little kid riding on his dad's shoulders while the dad is offering salat.  For sure the kiddo is too young to understand.  But also the dad can barely concentrate on his prayers in that position.  If he simply lifts the child and puts him on the carpet with a sober "no" gesture on his face or with his hand, he will be able to finish his salat much more satisfactorily.  And also for sure, after salat, parents need to calmly talk to hyper kids and explain to them that this isn't the time to poke fun.   Otherwise how will the kids realize the solemnity of this situation?

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2019, 04:35:59 am »



That's exactly what I meant, sister and brother. 

Fortunately we've not had this problem in our family, but I've watcjed some kiddies who are really fiddle-footed and they continue fidgeting even while they watch their parents and older siblings offer salat.  lol, once I was visiting a friend  for lunch and then while we were offering zohr salat, her naughty 3-year-old was rolling and spinning all over the floor.  After a while, he lay down on the carpet next to his mom's prayer mat and began kicking on her waist.  She held him gently and put him aside, and then re-started her prayer all over again because her face had moved away a little from the direction of the Kaa'ba.  She's a strict hadith-traditionalist so there wasn't much point talking to her.  But I think in a situation like this, she could have continued her salat instead of nullifying it and starting again. 


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  ....... her naughty 3-year-old was rolling and spinning all over the floor.  After a while, he lay down on the carpet next to his mom's prayer mat and began kicking on her waist.   

 


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That's also quite a common scenario in my household, not so much within my immediate family as my sisters' kids are quite disciplined.  But the very young kids of most of my cousins are really fluttery ... don't even leave their parents alone while they're offering salat who often keep enduring these pokes and pushes during salat time.  They think that moving the direction of your face or body even a little in the process of handling the kids will break their niyyah.  People fail to understand, niyyah comes from the heart and mind, not these minor body gestures.


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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2019, 04:51:13 am »



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exactly brother ........
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2019, 02:10:16 am »



Salams dear folks and thank ye for embellishing this post with so much wisdom from your interesting comments Smiley

That issue which Sister Heba initiated does make a lot of sense and as brother suggested, we should have an exclusive discussion thread on that, InshAllah. 

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