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« on: May 09, 2019, 04:51:02 pm »







As-Salam Alaikum everyone.  Such ahadith as quoted above are definitely to be ignored.  The Prophet (pbuh) would never ever proclaim something which the Quran does not confirm at all .... something which is not possible for any human being to prove without confirmation from Allah. 

Roosters crowing at different times and similarly the braying of donkeys are natural phenomena as ordained by The Almighty.   While the precise cause for every call that sounds from every species is known to Allah alone, human analysis has led to certain possibilities.  Some of these possibilities maybe true, some may not.  Again, the accurate knowledge is with Allah only.

According to studies, roosters may crow to communicate with other roosters and hens around them.  No one except Allah can be sure of the substance or reason of that communication.

Some studies presume roosters crow to compete with other roosters in the same coop, asserting their authority.  Researchers are of the view that if your rooster crows too frequently, there's not much you can do to stop them.  You may stock your chicken coop with enough food and water at all times; and also to avoid crowing matches between roosters, keep only one rooster in the coop.   These steps may decrease crowing.

Another interesting study in the journal of Current Biology suggests that "the rooster's morning c-o-c-k-a-doodle-doo is driven by an internal clock ... the male chickens really know the time of day .... that roosters put under constant light conditions will still crow at the crack of dawn."  That's thought provoking.  But only Allah knows the precise facts about His various creations.

Similarly, studies suggest donkeys also bray to communicate with other donkeys and their owners.   The braying of every donkey may have a slightly different sound just as all humans don't have the same voice. 

Some observers say that because of their loud bray, donkeys are sometimes used as guards for livestock such as goats, sheep and calves.   Personally I've not heard of this.  I certainly know that dogs are commonly utilized to guard livestock.   But it's possible that just as dogs bark when they sense danger, donkeys also bray to alert their surroundings.   The ultimate knowledge is with Allah only.

Those rooster and donkey ahadith from Bukhari and Ahmad must be rejected along with the total culture of hadith.


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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2019, 05:11:31 pm »



Someone writes in Quora:  "  ... not all Muslims believe that roosters crow due to them seeing angels. I would say that religious Muslims who hear about the hadith and hear that it is authentic would believe that, yes, because if Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is confirmed to have said something, then it is accepted as fact by the vast majority of religious Muslims. Those who don’t believe that, even though they’re told that it is from an authentic hadith, simply cannot be religious Muslims."

Amazing ignorance where this author promotes the opposite of the instructions in the Light of the Noble Quran.   According to this strange speaker, anyone who denies hadith is a disbeliever, anyone who wants to reason or analyze matters before acceptance is a disbeliever.   In other words, he is promoting the concept of blind faith and the acceptance of hearsay.  Whatever you "hear" accept it, ha?   And who is "confirmed to have said something, then it is accepted as fact by the vast majority of religious Muslims" ??   The isnad, false constructions of which are notorious.  Minds emitting such sweeping judgments are the true enemies of our great Faith.   When The Almighty has asserted in the Most Noble Quran "And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - about all those [one] will be questioned." (17:36) ..... these people look everywhere to pick substances for their discourse but never focus on the Quran.  They adamantly refuse to utilize the Noble Quran as the Sole Criterion (Al-Furqan) despite the vastly controversial nature of the entire hadith literature and the obsession for rhetorical gossip within many a human minds.   Allah Almighty has made it ample clear in His Final Message that it's imperative for humans to reflect on everything He has created around the world and beyond.  Allah has instructed every wise mind to carefully reflect and understand the laws of nature and the occurrences of nature (signs of Allah's creation) in the world and the universe, as well as the facts concerning human society.  This entire approach of deep thinking to help grasp the truth is often interpreted by learned Muslims as investigation before belief.

"Most surely in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day, and the ships that run in the sea with that which profits men, and the water that Allah sends down from the cloud, then gives life with it to the earth after its death and spreads in it all (kinds of) animals, and the changing of the winds and the clouds made subservient between the heaven and the earth, there are signs for a people who understand."  (2:164).

"And one of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your tongues and colors; most surely there are signs in this for the learned." (30:22).

"With clear arguments and scriptures; and We have revealed to you the reminder that you may make clear to men what has been revealed to them, and that hopefully they may reflect."  (16:44).


That same author in Quora acknowledges "ultimately we cannot really prove scientifically, or even empirically, whether roosters can see extraterrestrial entities or not"  and yet downplays the importance of empirical perception.   He couldn't have made his discreet love for ignorance more obvious.

There is NO concept of blind faith in the Noble Quran.   The Final Message is for wise minds, thinking minds with no room for the apathetic.   Indeed without a doubt, the Noble Quran emphasizes to the fullest on empirically approach before we accept any thing.

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2019, 05:20:30 pm »



When there are too many lies within any facet of life, there comes a point when it gets impossible to avoid contradiction.  The hadith literature has been a glaring example of this for centuries, including this hadith on donkeys braying when they see shaytaan.  According to hadith, shaytaan is chained in the month of Ramadan (a concept that is not contained in the Noble Quran).  So the logical argument would be, if shaytaan is chained in Ramadan and yet donkeys bray, how can donkeys see shaytaan in Ramadan?   The answer to this question provided by the Majlisul Ulema of South Africa is "While a donkey brays when it sees shaitaan, it does not mean that every time it brays it is on account of shaitaan.  Sometimes its braying is because it sees shaitaan, and sometimes it brays naturally."

If this Majlis was committed to accepting opinions based on truth and logic instead of its unconditional commitment to hadith, it would say that braying is a natural speech of the donkey as all animals and birds etc. have their natural speech granted to them by The Almighty.   Why exactly the donkey brays apparently has different reasons at different times which are known to Allah Almighty only.



 
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  ..  So the logical argument would be, if shaytaan is chained in Ramadan and yet donkeys bray, how can donkeys see shaytaan in Ramadan?   

Exactly.



If this Majlis was committed to accepting opinions based on truth and logic instead of its unconditional commitment to hadith, it would say that braying is a natural speech of the donkey as all animals and birds etc. have their natural speech granted to them by The Almighty.   Why exactly the donkey brays apparently has different reasons at different times which are known to Allah Almighty only.

Correct sister.  Unfortunately that's the tragic problem with so many of our jurists.  They may place the Quran in front of them, yet look in the opposite direction when they talk and act.

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Big thanks for the additional input from my dear colleagues.
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