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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2020, 05:46:59 am »



Salam dear everyone. 

Would anyone know, what is this community "Ouled Nail" which is said to be in the mountains of Algeria?   I recently and briefly read in a Sunni Muslim forum-conversation that "Ouled Nail women in medieval times were trained prostitutes," still more shocking, "trained by their families."  That forum didn't mention anything more.   Is this true?   What is damn "Ouled Nail"?   I've never heard of it.  Families training their girls to be whores ???  😲   What the heck ??  🥶

I wonder if any one knows the history surrounding this story.  If so, please mention it so that evil is recognized as evil.



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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2020, 01:36:00 am »



This tribe called Ouled Naeel is from the Atlas Mountains between Algeria and Morocco.  But as far as I know this tribe belongs to the Algerian side of the Atlas Mountain range.  I don't know too many details about their history except that they were unashamed prostitutes starting from a very early age of 13 or 14.  This lewd profession was a traditional ancestral practice for the females of Ouled Naeel tribe.  One can surely assume that their menfolk were also of very questionable morals;  degradation and carnality of both women and men of this tribe were sunk at similar depths of dehumanization.  Glaring misguidance and indecorousness were passed on from generation to generation.   May the curse of The Almighty be on such evil critters.   

 
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2020, 01:59:20 am »



That sounds sick and disgusting.  Are these folks Muslims?   How can they possibly be Muslims?   

When did this culture start and how?
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2020, 04:45:45 am »




They maybe "Muslims" by title like the Doms.  But certainly not Muslims by practice nor are they recognized as followers of Islam by mainstream Muslims. 

Their nauseating culture is very old, existed from pre-Islamic times. 

Ouled Naeel of Algeria is a Berber tribe (in the country's mountainous region as brother TS mentioned) whose young women specialized in public dancing.   From the age of 8 or 9, their mothers taught them the basics of bawdy dancing.  By the time they were 12 these girls became debauchees and hedonists, completely lost their innocence and left their mountain homes to work as dancers entertaining male clients in the cities.  Sometimes they also went to the oases.  In other words, they were plain whores starting from an unimaginably young age!  Reportedly, after leaving their homes they resided with older female dancers at brothels who played the guardian and trained them  beyond the training already given to them by their mothers.  Few who made a lot of money through whoredom would purportedly return to their mountain villages in an effort to lead a cleaner life.   But most were addicted to that lewd atmosphere and their financial independence, and continued their filthy life.   

The French colonialists who occupied Algeria in the mid 1800s were their keenest clients.   The Ouled Naeel dancers wore long tribal dresses, heavy & weird make-up, henna on hands and feet, loaded with coin-shaped gold and silver jewelry around their neck and headdress.  Most of them were smokers.  Their dances were indecorous, vulgar.  Those French colonialists found these girls very different and "exotic."  After Algeria won its independence from France in 1960s, this stinking culture largely faded.  

The opinion talk of some modern feminists in regard to these medieval harlots is unbelievably repugnant!  In present times where they prefer referring to prostitutes as "sex trade workers" and insist same gender relationships to be normal, they often talk of these medieval Naeel prostitutes with much pride as women "financially independent,"  their glaring indecency often excused for their vulnerability with the preposterous apologist approach claiming that the Naeel prostitutes were more like "escorts" than whores, as if there's any relevant difference between the two worth mentioning.    A prostitute is a woman who will sleep with anyone provided they can meet the price.  An escort is a woman who may sleep with one or two lesser men per day because she has an "official protector," that is, a client she has to hang around with more regularly, yet she carries on with as many others she can find time for.   This is the "difference" which sick minds talk with pride.   

Below is an image from Twitter of an Ouled Naeel whore with a cigarette in hand and one of her local clients just as shameless as herself.




  
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2020, 04:00:27 pm »



This is making my head reel, it's too appalling.  And brother TS is right, the men of this tribe were obviously just as careless of their morals.  Look at this pic.  That woman has "whore" written all over her;  and that man appears like he was never taught the concept of modesty.  Would any man with a shred of decency and conscience even conceive of spending time with such women, unless they're no different themselves?

The modernist theory on struggling to distinguish between whores and escorts sounds comically pathetic.  I have heard of this argument before, not in connection to this topic but generally.  Feminist-modernists assume that escorts are picky about whom they sleep with while prostitutes would sleep with anyone their madam instructs them to.  So, an escort may commit fornication with 4 guys in a week whom she picks from a wider selection, while a whore sleeps with 4 guys a week without the botheration of selection.   And that's supposed to be a "difference" in morals for modernists ??  Human values are flying away from planet earth a lot more rapidly than one may contemplate.


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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2020, 04:17:53 pm »



Very correctly explained Sister Heba, Sister Ruhi.

Another point one needs to mention, a theory often put forth by modern observers promoting permissiveness, claims that these demimondaines indulged in this sordid life as a "traditional" method for the purpose of collecting "dowry."   First off, this is no excuse for collecting "dowry."  Secondly, the excuse is completely false.  There was no pressure of  "dowry."  Throughout the Middle East (and it wasn't different in Algeria)  it's the men who carry the responsibility of providing dowry, not the other way round.  Women aren't required to pay a single penny, not even for the wedding dress.  Westerners don't know much about this aspect;  according to their marriage customs, the man provides the dowry.  So, they concocted this excuse for the Naeelya prostitutes to make them appear vulnerable as if they were indulging in this horrible profession under compulsion.  Totally wrong perception.  

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So, an escort may commit fornication with 4 guys in a week whom she picks from a wider selection, while a whore sleeps with 4 guys a week without the botheration of selection.   And that's supposed to be a "difference" in morals for modernists ??  Human values are flying away from planet earth a lot more rapidly than one may contemplate.   

True, in a nutshell that's exactly how the modernists and feminists see it.  The human mind has no qualms hacking the entire world to uphold every violation it deems justifiable.


Another point one needs to mention, a theory often put forth by modern observers promoting permissiveness, claims that these demimondaines indulged in this sordid life as a "traditional" method for the purpose of collecting "dowry."   First off, this is no excuse for collecting "dowry."  Secondly, the excuse is completely false.  There was no pressure of  "dowry."  Throughout the Middle East (and it wasn't different in Algeria)  it's the men who carry the responsibility of providing dowry, not the other way round.  Women aren't required to pay a single penny, not even for the wedding dress.  Westerners don't know much about this aspect; 

Exactly, this too is often talked around to exonerate these lecherous and wanton women.

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