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Meaning of جَسَدًا (body) in Verse 38:34 Surah Saad

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« on: February 22, 2020, 03:03:52 am »



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"And verily We tried Solomon, and set upon his throne a (mere) body.  Then did he repent."  38:34  Surah Saad. 

Salams dear everyone ..

Would anyone know of any references in other Verses of the Noble Quran mentioning what this "body" was placed on Prophet Soloman's (Suleman) throne by which he was tried?


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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2020, 03:09:35 am »



Walaykom Salam.  No sister, there are no other Verses in the Quran on this topic.  It's contained in Verse 38:34 only.  The answer to that question is known to The Almighty alone.   I suppose it's not too relevant an aspect thus Allah Almighty did not consider it important enough to mention.   There are absolutely no details, not even a hint, given anywhere in the Noble Quran as to what that body on the throne was.  We can only conclude that it was something with which Allah tried Prophet Soloman and Prophet Soloman soon perceived some mistake he made and repented. Probably there was something in Prophet Solomon's life or in his mind that caused some kind of temptation within him which he realized later and asked forgiveness from Allah.  But only Allah knows the precise details of this event.
      
As usual, commentators have come up with at least three or four varying stories, all from extra-Quranic sources that are totally unreliable, just fictions like the Arabian Nights.  No question of confirming or accepting them.    So, we just have to leave this aspect up to the point stated by Allah.

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2020, 03:15:22 am »



Thanks brother.  Even I couldn't recall this topic in any other Verse except 38:34. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2020, 01:34:06 am »



Right brother TS, we cannot know what that "body" ( جَسَدًا ) was.

As usual, the gossip industry has manufactured several sagas.  That link brother posted will make you head spin. 

Mohsin Khan's translation seems to be very influenced by one of the extra-Quranic stories and he's added some information in brackets that shows how much he has stepped on to outside sources.
 
"And, indeed We did try Sulaiman (Solomon) and We placed on his throne jasadan (a devil, so he lost his kingdom for a while) but he did return (to his throne and kingdom by the Grace of Allah and he did return) to Allah with obedience and in repentance."  


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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2020, 01:48:39 am »



Muhsin Khan's idea of mentioning "devil" on the throne referring to jasadan is because he is influenced by the first story mentioned in that link.  If you check that link, altogether there are 4 concocted stories from hadith and hadith-like sources.  Quoting an excerpt of the first one as follows :

"The error committed by the Prophet Solomon was either that one of his wives continued to worship the idols in the palace for forty days and he remained unaware of it, or that he remained confined to his residence for a few days and did not attend to redressing of the oppressed people's grievances. For this he was punished as follows: A satan somehow made away with his ring by which he ruled over the jinns, men and wind. As soon as he lost the ring he was deprived of his powers and he remained wandering from place to place for forty days; in the interval the satan continued to rule in the guise of Solomon. The placing of a mere body on Solomon's throne implied this very satan .."

This is the story which Muhsin Khan has apparently alluded to in bracket of his translation of V.38:34.

Such random guesswork is really a scary approach.  These folks just don't seem to fear Allah.



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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2020, 01:54:53 am »



Oh, I see.   These thoughtless minds are all the time using such myths for misinterpreting the Noble Quran.  They seem incapable of rationally thinking on their own, and much less, letting go of some event or incident about which the Quran does not give further information. 

Besides, did you read the fourth story in that link, full of such shameful vulgarity one would only expect from street loafers narrated by .. well, who else?  Abu Huraira the thunderbolt crook!



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Oh, I see.   These thoughtless minds are all the time using such myths for misinterpreting the Noble Quran.  They seem incapable of rationally thinking on their own, and much less, letting go of some event or incident about which the Quran does not give further information. 

Yes, that's their major problem.





Besides, did you read the fourth story in that link, full of such shameful vulgarity one would only expect from street loafers narrated by .. well, who else?  Abu Huraira the thunderbolt crook!

 

 

  😆  Yeah I read that one too, just a cursory read and it was filthy and preposterous.   In addition to being an accomplished liar, Abu Huraira was obviously also a sex addict.   Whenever the bugger opens his mouth to talk, nothing except lies and sexual remarks & connotations roll out of that obnoxious tongue. 

Allah will deal with all such sinners.

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2020, 02:15:21 am »




   😆 .....  In addition to being an accomplished liar, Abu Huraira was obviously also a sex addict.   Whenever the bugger opens his mouth to talk, nothing except lies and sexual remarks & connotations roll out of that obnoxious tongue. 

Allah will deal with all such sinners.

Yes, all the time.   Cannot describe how much I dislike that bugger.
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