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As-Salaam Alaikum dear folks.

Hajj to be performed during 4 months, not just on the first 10 days of Dhul Hijjah:

With reference to our following discussions earlier, nearly 5 years ago, in this thread .....



As-Salam Alaykum everyone.

There's a very relevant point mentioned in Quran-alone site "Quran-Islam.org-True Islam" which needs to be discussed.   I thought of continuing in this thread so all info on Hajj can be found under a single thread for the convenience of our readers.

Original of Verse 9:36 in Arabic:

إِنَّ عِدَّةَ الشُّهُورِ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ اثْنَا عَشَرَ شَهْرًا فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ يَوْمَ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ مِنْهَا أَرْبَعَةٌ حُرُمٌ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ ۚ فَلَا تَظْلِمُوا فِيهِنَّ أَنْفُسَكُمْ ۚ وَقَاتِلُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ كَافَّةً كَمَا يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ كَافَّةً ۚ وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ

"Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve [lunar] months in the register of Allah [from] the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous [who fear Him]."  (Verse 9:36)

In Verse 9:36 the word on focus is "hurum" or "hurumun."   According to Quran-alone site the meaning of "hurum" is not 'sacred' as translated by all translators including Haleem.  They claim "hurum" is the plural of "haram" and in Verse 9:36 the word implies "to abstain."  Thus the explanation goes as, there are 12 months in a year out of which 4 months are for abstinence from wars, unless in self defense.

Then comes Verse 2:197 where another point needs to be viewed.

Original of Verse 2:197 in Arabic:

الْحَجُّ أَشْهُرٌ مَعْلُومَاتٌ ۚ فَمَنْ فَرَضَ فِيهِنَّ الْحَجَّ فَلَا رَفَثَ وَلَا فُسُوقَ وَلَا جِدَالَ فِي الْحَجِّ ۗ وَمَا تَفْعَلُوا مِنْ خَيْرٍ يَعْلَمْهُ اللَّهُ ۗ وَتَزَوَّدُوا فَإِنَّ خَيْرَ الزَّادِ التَّقْوَىٰ ۚ وَاتَّقُونِ يَا أُولِي الْأَلْبَابِ

"The pilgrimage takes place during the prescribed months.
There should be no indecent speech, misbehaviour, or quarrelling
for anyone undertaking the pilgrimage– whatever good you do, God
is well aware of it." (2:197)  (translation Haleem)

"(For) the Hajj (are) months well known, ...... "    (2:197)  (translation Corpus Quran)


In this Verse 2:197 we need to focus on the word "months" which is plural in both translations above.  It's original in Arabic of Verse 2:197 would be "ashhurun."  We can be sure "ashhurun" is plural as grammatically Corpus Quran defines it as "nominative masculine plural indefinite noun."  The reason why the Quran mentions "months"and not 'month' is because there are 4 months that are "hurum" as already studied in Verse 9:36.

Therefore according to Quran-Islam.org., it's not necessary to restrict Hajj only during the month of Zul Hijja, rather it can be performed during any of those 4 months. Contrary to that, our jurists have ruled Hajj to be performed only in month of Zul Hijja and that too, not the whole month of Zul Hijja but just the first 10 days.  According to this website, the concept of only Zul Hijja as the month of pilgrimage, and that too the first 10 days, comes from the Hadith institution.  The website also clarifies that these 4 months aren't defined as "sacred" in the Quran, rather they are defined as months of 'abstinence' (that is, abstinence from war).

Those folks sound Quranically correct.  I personally think so.  Please give me your feedback.

Here is the above original post in this thread by Br. TS.


I agree with Quran-Islam.org website that the concept of Hajj only during first 10 days of month of Dhul Hijji is from traditions.  The Quran does not uphold that.  So we can perform Hajj on all 4 months.  That much is in accordance with the Quran as confirmed in the Final Message.  But the question is which are those other 3 months as Sister Heba emphasized?  If we choose those additional 3 sacred or abstained months as Dhul Qadah, Muharram and Rajab .. then again we are going back to Hadith, aren't we?  Because this information comes from Hadith.  Unless that website has some logical analysis from the Quran as to which months are precisely included from the Quranic statement of Verse 2:197.  But I'm sure the Quran does not mention the names of those months.  The only month named in the Quran is Ramadan, that the Quran began being revealed in this month because Allah wants us to know about it.

The Quran refers to the cycle of time-period from the beginning of times, and thus the Quran does not mention the names of months because names of months have been different in different communities around the world at different times of history.  Not just that, but with the cycle of cultural innovation, those names also kept changing.

As for the precise reason for selecting specific months and why these 4 months were chosen as sacred which mainly denoted abstinence from violence, is not known either.  Possibly the purpose was to minimize the anxiety and destruction of war .. to give a break to the strife & skirmishes within a tribal community.  It maybe possible that the practice of refraining from wars on certain months existed in Arabia since very long, maybe it existed in some ways since the time of Prophet Abraham (pbuh).  But only Allah knows best.


In summary, we do know for sure as confirmed by the Quran, the months for Hajj are four including Dhul Hijja.  And certainly the Quran does not restrict Hajj only for the first 10 days of Dhul Hijja.   If, by carefully consulting the social history of 6th century Arabia it can be verified with reasonable reliability as to which 3 months were for abstinence from wars, then I think those 3 months can be added with Dhul Hijja as the 4 months of Hajj.


Here is the above original post in this thread by me.


Recently Sister Heba and myself did some tireless research on the concept of "four sacred months."  As we all know it's true the names of the four "sacred" months is mentioned in the Hadith, yet viewing the four (sacred) months (or the four months of abstinence) as Rajab, Dhul Qadah, Dhul Hijjah and Muhurram doesn't mean that we are taking our information from the Hadith.

As we adjust our opinion on this aspect in regard to the season of Hajj, let us begin by quoting Verses 9:36 and 2:197. 

"Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve [lunar] months in the register of Allah [from] the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous [who fear Him]."   9:36.

"Hajj is (during) well-known months, so whoever has made Hajj obligatory upon himself therein, there is (to be for him) no sexual relations and no disobedience and no disputing during Hajj.   And whatever good you do - Allah knows it."  2:197.

Four sacred months are Rajab, Dhul-Qadah, Dhul Hijjah and Muharram.   These months are not named in the Quran.  However, we can be quite sure that the references in the above Verses are to these four months.  Obviously there wasn't much need to mention the names of these months in the Quran because it had been a practice in Arabia for a very long period, observing these four months to be "hurumun."  For that reason Allah has already mentioned those months as "well-known months" in original Arabic "ashhurun maʿlumatun."

This time the Hadith didn't randomly mention these four months, rather mentioned them in accordance to an old existing practice in history.  What the Hadith did concoct was the mistranslation of the word "hurumun" as 'sacred.'   For that reason, most English translators of the Quran also use the same term 'sacred.'   However, we are fortunate to have the original Quran which tells us that the actual word stated by The Almighty is "hurumun" which means abstaining or prohibiting.

The term hurumun which is translated as "are sacred" in V.9:36 is basically taken in the context of banning or prohibiting or abstaining.  It does not refer to spiritual practices nor sacred in the religious context.  It alludes to abstaining from or prohibiting or banning wars and skirmishes.  Fighting between tribes and clans were quite frequent in pre-Islamic Arabia.  It conveys the concept of promotion of peace, and thwarting the destruction and insecurity caused by wars and attacking wayfarers, breaking of peace treaties or any other form of communal violence.  In the Quran there are no religious connections with any of these four months.  The only month having religious significance is the month of Ramadan.  Ramadan can certainly be taken as the most favored month of the year as it is the month of the Noble Quran.  The sacred aspect of this month is based on spirituality, and it's taken for granted that any sincere believer will never initiate war in this blessed month unless in self defense if they are attacked first. 

In Verse 2:197, when Allah says Hajj to be in the "well-known months" ..  it would be reasonable to assume the reference is to the four months of Rajab, Dhul-Qadah, Dhul Hijjah and Muharrum.  War and violence being specifically prohibited in these four months, these months were also favorable and convenient for performing Hajj which required traveling long distances for many people.   We are sure that Allah mentions "months" in the plural and not the singular "month."  The singular 'month' is Arabic is شهر and its plural is أَشْهُرٌ, ashhurun as stated in the Verse 2:197.   Therefore the Noble Quran states that Hajj can be performed during those four months and not necessarily only during the first 10 days of Dhul Hijjah.   That assertion is quite clear.

The idea of restricting Hajj only during the month of Dhul Hijjah, and that too only during the first 10 days of this month, coming from the Hadith institution explains why the Haj season is so overcrowded and difficult.  It keeps getting tougher as the world population increases.  At present there are approximately between 2 million and 2.5 million pilgrims going to Arabia for Hajj during the season.  Everyone who decides to perform Hajj must either rush to accommodate themselves during the short stretch of the first 10 days of Dhul Hijjah or wait until the following year.  Therefore, the Hadith has again blatantly overridden the Quranic Law, replacing it with an idea of its own.  Instead of recklessly accepting such a flagrant violation by the Hadith, if our jurists had followed the Quran allowing Hajj to be performed during all 30 days of the four months of Rajab, Dhul Qadah, Dhul Hijjah and Muharrum, the crowd during every season and every stretch of performing Hajj would have been one-quarter of what we see during the current Hajj season which is only in the first 10 days of Dhul Hijjah.


How did the performance of Hajj get restricted within the first 10 days of Dhul Hijjah ?
 
This misinformation arises from the total misinterpretation of Verses 89:1-4 by the Hadith traditionalists.   We also had this discussion in our post Ten Nights, the Even and the Odd.   The following is more detailed.

The constant repetition of the Hadith about the merits of the first 10 days of Dhul Hijjah is one of the aspects that has underscored the idea that Hajj must be performed only during this period.  Quote:   "There are no days greater in the sight of Allah and in which righteous deeds are more beloved to Him than these ten days .."   This is from the collection of Ahmad, but I'm quite sure it's also there in Bukhari.   Another Hadith assertion comes from its total misunderstanding and misinterpretation of Verses 89:1-4 of Surah Al-Fajr.   The Verse says "By the Dawn  And ten nights, And the Even and the Odd,  And the night when it departs,   ..  

The above quoted Verses of Surah Al-Fajr, which Hadith has misunderstood as referring to the first 10 nights of Dhul Hijjah, and some traditionalists think it's the last 10 days of Ramadan, actually have nothing to do with either Dhul Hijjah nor Ramadan.

It is an oath which The Almighty takes on fajr which is the start of each new day when a slight bluish streak of light appears in the dark sky (V.89:1).    The ten nights (V.89:2) imply each group of the ten nights among the thirty nights of the month.  The reason why the 30 days are mentioned into three groups of 10 nights is an allusion to the description of the changing forms of the moon.  During the first 10 nights the crescent moon begins by appearing like a thin curved streak.  Gradually it appears wider every night and by the 10th night it looks brighter in comparison.  During the start of the second group of 10 days the moon continues to look larger and brighter, and by the 14th night it's fully illuminated by the sun which we refer to as the "full moon," marvelously illuminating the dark night, Alhumdulilah.   After the 14th night the moon gradually starts to wan again, and the nights again begin to get darker.  Thus, when the following month begins with the first group of 10 days, the moon again appears like a thin crescent streak. 

Even and the odd (V.89:3) refer to the numbering of the days from one to thirty divided into three groups of ten nights each.  In every group of these ten nights and days, all even number of days of the month are preceded by odd numbers e.g.  the second day of the month (even number) preceded by the first day (odd number), the fourth day (even number) preceded by the third day (odd number) and so on.

Departing of the night (V.89:4) is of course very simple to understand.  The reference is, when dawn begins to arrive it ushers an end to the darkness that covered the atmosphere which slowly and steadily starts to brighten.

Finally, the question is, why is The Almighty taking this oath ?    As I mentioned earlier, the traditionalists presume it's about the first ten nights of Dhul Hijjah, and some presume the last ten nights of Ramadan and thus the concept that the revelation of the Noble Quran began on one of the "odd" ten nights of the month of Ramadan, whereas Allah Almighty gives us no reason for such a presumption.  He makes it clear that the revelation of the Quran began in one of the 30 nights of Ramadan;  but that day has not been disclosed to us.

The reason Allah Almighty takes this oath is based on the argument which the idolaters constantly had with the Prophet (pbuh) about the punishment in the Hereafter.   The idolaters did not believe in the Last Day nor the Final Judgement.   No matter how much the Prophet (pbuh) tried to convince them about the Truth, they would not accept it.   Therefore, Allah Almighty asserts and confirms this argument that the sinful ones and the disbelievers will surely be dealt with in the Hereafter. In this regard The Almighty takes an oath mentioning the marvels of the dawn, the changing appearances of the moon throughout the 30 days of each month and finally the departing of the dark night replaced by dawn again.   As Surah Al-Fajr continues, quote:

"There surely is an oath for thinking man."   89:5
"Do you not consider how your Rab dealt with (the tribe of) A'ad,"  89:6
"And with (the tribe of) Thamud, who clove the rocks in the valley;"   89:9
"And with Pharaoh, firm of might,"   89:10
"Who (all) were rebellious (to Allah) in these lands,"   89:11
"Therefore thy Lord poured on them the disaster of His punishment."   89:13



The Almighty categorically states in the above Verses that all wrong doers in the past were punished and their punishment in Hellfire will be still worse.   This will also be the fate of all disbelieving and sinful people of later times who will then regret, but that would be too little, too late.

This makes up the elucidation of the Verses 82:1-4 which is NOT about the first ten days of Dhul Hijjah nor the final ten days of Ramadan. 
 

(This post is also in the thread about procedure of Hajj in the Noble Quran but we decided to also post it separately as an independent post because this topic in connection with Hajj is very important)


Related posts:

- What does the Quran say about the procedure of Hajj ?
- Who was the first person who built the Kaa'ba ?
- Does the Quran mention about Umrah ?
-  Fasting on the day of Arafah
- Origin of the word 'Ramadan' and the four sacred' months

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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2021, 07:08:24 am »



Yes I saw it in the thread of Hajj post yesterday, and it's a very good idea to post this independently as well.  Info contained here is just to relevant, most Muslims don't even know.    This read is an evidence of the fact that Hadith doesn't only weave stories on matters not contained in the Quran, but it also changes matters that are fully elucidated in the Quran.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2021, 07:14:05 am »




  .. This read is an evidence of the fact that Hadith doesn't only weave stories on matters not contained in the Quran, but it also changes matters that are fully elucidated in the Quran.

Yes exactly, Hadith has changed many things clearly asserted in the Quran. 

Btw, sister Ruhi, I often read you mention the "Zil Hajj."  Is that the same as Dhul Hijjah ?
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2021, 07:17:58 am »



Yeah brother it's the same   In Pakistan the month of Dhul Hijjah is often referred as Zil Hajj.   But I should mention it as Dhul Hijjah to avoid confusion.    As it is, hadith has created enough confusion.  I would never want to add to it. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2021, 07:20:41 am »

 

😊  no, there's no confusion.  It's quite obvious Zil Hajj means Dhul Hijjah.  I just wanted to confirm.  The 'dh' sound in Arabic is often pronounced as 'z' in some Muslim communities.
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....  The 'dh' sound in Arabic is often pronounced as 'z' in some Muslim communities.

True, that's exactly it  ..
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2021, 10:24:07 pm »



Salam again here, dear folks!

Recently in some website, I cannot recall which one, they named the four sacred months as Zul-Hijjah, Muharram, Safar, and Rabi-ul-Awal. 

Here are the 12 Hijri lunar months in order of appearance:

1.  Muharram
2.  Safar
3.  Rabi' al-awwal
4.  Rabi' al-thani
5.  Jumada al-awwal
6.  Jumada al-thani
7.  Rajab
8.  Sha'aban
9.  Ramadan
10. Shawwal
11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
12. Dhu al-Hijjah

The ones in blue are commonly taken as the four sacred months apparently coming down from the oldest social practices, though the Noble Quran only mentions the total number of sacred months, that is 4, not the names of those months.   

Based on what tradition do some people take Safer as one of the sacred months or one of the months of Hajj?  Or, are we divided on picking the four sacred months?

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2021, 11:18:36 pm »




Walaikum As-Salam.




  ..  Or, are we divided on picking the four sacred months?



You got it right there, sis .....  😄     Unfortunately this is yet another aspect where we, our Muslim community, is divided.   Though the months you marked in blue are the conventional ones most commonly accepted, yet there is a unanimity problem among people on a wider level. 

The four months you quoted are the ones picked by Submission website of Rashid Khalifa.  Those guys presume that the sacred months must be continuous which according to them is based on Verse 9:37 of Surah At-Tawbah.  But if you read Verse 9:37  (quoted below from three different translators), it gives absolutely no reason to conclude that those 4 months are consecutive.  This Verse refers to the practice of the idolaters who, on a certain year, would declare a prohibited month as a regular month making fighting and other types of violence lawful for themselves. Then they would declare a regular month to be a prohibited for war to make up for the actual prohibited war which they disregarded earlier.


"Postponing sacred months is another act of disobedience by which those who disregard [God] are led astray: they will allow it one year and forbid it in another in order outwardly to conform with the number of God’s sacred months, but in doing so they permit what God has forbidden. Their evil deeds are made alluring to them: God does not guide those who disregard [Him]"  9:37 (translation Haleem).

"Postponement (of a sacred month) is only an excess of disbelief whereby those who disbelieve are misled; they allow it one year and forbid it (another) year, that they may make up the number of the months which Allah has hallowed, so that they allow that which Allah has forbidden. The evil of their deeds is made fair seeming unto them. Allah guides not the disbelieving folk."   9:37 (Pickthall translation).

"Indeed, the postponing [of restriction within sacred months] is an increase in disbelief by which those who have disbelieved are led [further] astray. They make it lawful one year and unlawful another year to correspond to the number made unlawful by Allah and [thus] make lawful what Allah has made unlawful. Made pleasing to them is the evil of their deeds; and Allah does not guide the disbelieving people."  9:37  (standard translation by sahih international).


As one can assess for themselves, Verse 9:37 gives no reason for the assumption that the four months got be continuous.

The standard ones are Rajab, Dhul Qadah, Dhul Hijjah and Muhurram which most circles accept, perhaps because these four months have been recognized for the longest stretch of time.

But unfortunately, some different circles of Muslims have different picks on the "sacred months."   

According to Sheikh Attiqur Saqr who is the former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, there are 3 months for Hajj which he names Shawwal, Dhul Qidah and Dhul Hijja. If Attiqur Saqr is referring to the sacred months (and obviously he should for Quranic evidence/reference) then he is contradicting or overriding Quranic information.  The Noble Quran clearly says that sacred months are four.  The Quran has not named these 4 months but has certainly confirmed the number of these (sacred) months which is four.

"Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve [lunar] months in the register of Allah [from] the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous [who fear Him]."   9:36


In my opinion, Attiqur Saqr's fatwa is useless and cannot be accepted because it clearly clashes with Quranic information.  Saqr has also cited no evidence from the Quran as to why he thinks Hajj can be performed during 3 months instead of 4.  In fact he doesn't even refer to the 3 months he named as "sacred months" rather labels them as the 3 months of Hajj.  He has picked Shawwal as the first of the three months, which is the month of Eid-al-Fitr soon after Ramadan.   This is the first time I've known of anyone picking Shawwal as one of the months for Hajj.  However, as a Hadither, I'm surprised that he even acknowledged that Hajj can be performed in other months too in addition to Dhul Hijja.

Then I discovered that the approach of recognizing three months for Hajj is also also followed by other traditional circles.  For e.g.  Islamweb, a Qatari site, run by Al-Balagh Cultural Society says sacred months are four but Hajj months are three.  Quoting this source "The sacred months are four: Thul-Qi‘dah, Thul-Hijjah, Muharram, and Rajab .... (or they could simply say Muharram, Rajab, Dhul Qadah and Dhul Hijjah to keep it in the calendar order). The months of Hajj, on the other hand, are three: Shawwal, Thul-Qi‘dah, and Thul-Hijjah. Two of the sacred months, which are Muharram and Rajab, have nothing to do with the months of Hajj."  Thus, as we see now, they have separated the sacred months from Hajj months by dismissing Muharram and Rajab and replacing both with Shawwal.  Therefore according to their claims, Hajj months are Shawwal, Dhul Qadah and Dhul Hijja.  According to them, the historically known sacred months of Dhul Qadah, Dhul Hijja, Muharram and Rajab have nothing to do with Hajj. 

The so-called progressive Muslims who may not accept hadith and traditions yet they too have made sufficient hash of this issue.  They feel Quran makes it very clear that the  months are consecutive.  Though I've read the Verses they quoted to support their view, the Verses do  not give any reasons to assume that the 4 months are consecutive.  They make matters still more obscure and far-fetched by going into the Gematria calculation, writing pages and pages on it, which is useless and has no significance in the Quran.  They have completely misinterpreted simple Quranic Verses to claim that 4 sacred months are continuous, yet the fact remains that the Quran does not provide any such information nor evidence.  The Verses they have quoted are 2:194, 2:197, 2:217, 9:28.   But these Verses do not specify nor allude that the sacred months are uninterrupted. The 'progressives' cite no reasons how the Quranic Verses they quote to support their view connect with whatever they are trying to interpret.  They cannot articulate themselves at all.  Though they haven't separated the sacred months from the months of Hajj like the traditionalists, they seem to be sure that the 4 sacred months (and the months of Hajj) are Ramadan, Shawwal, Dhul Qadah and Dhul Hijja.  They have dragged not only Shawwal into it, but also Ramadan.

Then comes the Rashid Khalifah school (a so-called progressive sect) with another reconstruction claiming the 4 months are Dhuj Hijja, Muharram, Safar and Rabi-al-Awal.  Thus, they have placed Dhul Hijja and Muharram together, and then Safar and Rabi-al-Awal together.  Another evidence-free concept with no indication of support from the Quran.

There is a common factor between the traditionalists and 'progressives' which is a no-brainer to discern. They have the same goal.  For some reason they are adamant to make the months of Hajj consecutive.  The historically recognized 4 months aren't completely consecutive.  While Dhul-Qidah, Dhul Hijjah and Muharram are continuous, Rajab being the 7th month is not. That really should not matter at all.  But they don't like that gap between Muharram and Rajab.   Rashid Khalifah school broke it just slightly by placing Muharram in the middle of the group of 4 months they presume.  Nonetheless, I don't know why the traditionalists and 'progressives' are clinging on to that "consecutive" issue like catnip.


The hadith following traditionalists haven't cited any Quranic Verses why they presume Muharram and Rajab have nothing to do with Hajj.  Nor have they given any Quranic reference to prove why they have separated the 4 sacred months from the 3 months of Hajj.  Neither have they given any evidence from the Quran to support their theory.  In any case, traditionalists don't care to look for evidential information from the Quran because they take all their evidences from the tales of hadith.

As is obvious, everyone is coming up with their own different presumptions and ideas, constructing their own arguments either from extra-Quranic sources or through absurd commentaries by twisting and misinterpreting Quranic Verses.

Apparently contents from extra-Quranic sources have given rise to these confusing differences.  It's very typical of humans running after traditional narrations for help which invariably gives rise to dozens of personal differences in opinion and none of their ideas logically tally with any Quranic principle or value.  Though I think this bit about Shawwal as the start of the Hajj season is a Shariah "invention."  I couldn't find any hadith on it either. 

Since historical times the 4 months recognized as sacred were Dhu al-Qadah, Dhu'l-Hijjah, Muharram and Rajab.  It's obvious that Allah Almighty wants the Muslims to continue that.  Thus the Noble Quran does not consider it necessary to state the names of the 4 sacred months because everyone already knew them.

I would say, just stick to the oldest recognized months taken as the 4 (sacred) months when wars were forbidden in the Arabian peninsula for centuries, and therefor, these are quite apparently the months Allah Almighty alludes to when it was safe to perform Hajj. 
And only Allah knows best.   I would never weave stories like many of our folks are doing.
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I see, I now get it.  Human nature is so prone to polarity ..... even if it's not needed, they feel nice to get themselves divided.  Idiots.

Plenty of thanks Sister Heba.    Insh'Allah, will send this around.   My husband will surely be very interested to read it.

 
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Today being the 27th of Shawwal, that story on construing Shawwal as the start of the Hajj season and Hajj month has started.   Don't know when, a mufti in Pakistan posted a write-up in his website on Shawwal.  I thought I might find the origin of linking Shawwal with the season of Hajj as he would almost certainly quote the hadith or ahadith that introduced the idea.  But since he didn’t mention any hadith on Shawwal, I am sure it is from Shariah.  I am posting a screenshot of a portion of his article because the site doesn’t allow copy & paste.  Here he explains the concept of the subject under discussion.  But he doesn’t give any references of the source which indicates it’s definitely Shariah probably mixed a fatwa or two.  The rest of the article is about the methods of celebrating Eid-al-Fitr which we know, so no need to post it.  But it was sadly interesting to read his words “The second meritorious aspect of Shawwal is that it has been chosen by Allah Almighty for the celebration of Eid-al-Fitr ..”  when in reality Allah Almighty does not even mention about Eid, not even remotely.  And Eid-al-Fitr of course comes entirely from hadith.





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The other point is that the story of picking 3 months for Hajj by traditionalists is meaningless because they just keep it as a story with no practical value.  Even though they talk of Hajj season starting from 1st Shawwal to 10 Dhul Hijja, if anyone performs Hajj prior to 1st Dhul Hijja, their Haj is never viewed as "Hajj Tamattu" *.  It's always seen in the category of just Umrah, that is, visiting the Kaa’ba outside the first 10 days of Dhul Hijja with dozens of hadiths saying all sorts of things.  But the traditionalists don’t even accept 3 full months for Hajj.   They start from 1st Shawwal only up to 10th Dhul Hijja.   That makes it only 2 months and 10 days.  In any case since they have already defied the Quran by ignoring the 4 months allowed by Allah Almighty, the other inconsistencies of our jurists don’t surprise me.

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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2022, 01:43:14 am »



Absolutely right Sis ......
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2022, 11:07:50 am »



Such a confusion the Ustada and her sycophants created few days ago while “lecturing” on the topic of Hajj.

Like all hadithists she has said several times before that 4 sacred months have nothing to do with Hajj and for Hajj are 3 months – Shawaal, Dhul Qadaa and Dhul Hijja – even though as a hadithist she insists that Hajj to be performed only during the first 10 days of Dhul Hijja without citing any evidence from the Quran, and only repeating countless numbers of forgeries from hadith and sometimes personal views of Imams Shafi and Malik etc.
 
Now with Dhul Hijja next month, she tried to explain the 4 sacred months.  For a moment she quoted the Quran Verse 9:36 which confirms that in the ordinance of Allah Almighty there are 12 months out of which 4 are sacred.  This Verse does not say anything more.  But hadith has constructed a chain of its own tales with incorrect connotations to V.9:36, a common habit of the hadith literature.

So, she begins her lecture saying the 4 sacred months are regarded sacred because there must be no hostilities nor fighting during these 4 months.  I agree with that.  This is the only bit of confirmed information from the Quran. 

Then she says, in Dhul Qadaa people should stop fighting so they can feel safe and prepare for Hajj in the following month of Dhul Hijja.  Muharram is sacred and there should be no fighting to allow people to return home safely after Hajj.   Rajab which is the 7th month coming in the middle of the year is sacred and calls for peace to allow people to perform Umrah.   In this paragraph the hadithists have done some very clever manipulations, making Dhul Qadaa the month of preparing for Hajj, only Dhul Hijja (first 10 days) for performing Hajj, Muharram a sacred month for peace for returning home from Hajj and  Rajab in the middle of the year to be sacred for performing Umrah.   Compared to all of this coming from non-Quranic sources, the Quran says “The pilgrimage takes place during the prescribed months.” (2:197) referring to the 4 sacred months (which have since long been accepted in Arabia as Dhul Qadaa, Dhul Hijja, Muharram and Rajab).   Thus as confirmed in the Noble Quran, Hajj can be performed in all of these 4 sacred months.   Each Islamic month being 30 days, The Almighty allows us to perform Hajj for a total of 120 days in every year.  Instead the traditional manipulators have cramped the entire 120 days to only 10 days every year.  In view of this, can anyone be surprised by Hajj is so over-crowded nowadays with accidents like stampedes and tent fires etc. being common occurrences as we know?

Then she says, after Ramadan, fasting in Muharram is the most rewarding particularly 10th Muharram.  We already know the purpose of this particular manipulation.  For complete info on this trickery by Hadith please our very comprehensive post:  Did the Prophet (pbuh) fast on 10th Muharram?

She further adds, Dhul Qadaa has no other importance other can preparing for Hajj.  And while she said earlier Muharram is only for peace to allow people to return home from Hajj, later she also adds fasting in Muharram is most rewarding particularly 10th of Muharram.   

Fortunately many among the audience aren't her vocal sycophants and her 'melting pot' lecture left their heads spinning with confusion.

So, you can assess for yourself that except for V.9:36, all of the information constructed and propagated by traditionalists are from outside the Quran.  I could also not overlook the contradiction between this lecture and the one delivered on the occasion of Eid al Fitr in 1st of Shawaal claiming the Hajj preparation starts from the month of Shawaal and that the 3 months of Hajj are Shawaal, Dhul Qadaa and Dhul Hijja (10th , 11th and 12th consecutive months) and that the 4 sacred months as stated in V.9:36 had no connection with Hajj.   But the lecture she spoke today was flipped over with no mention of Shawaal in connection with Hajj, and no mention of the traditionalist claim of separating the  4 sacred months and 3 months of Hajj.  This always happens with traditionalists because there are so many ahadith, every set of ahadith contradicting with the other.   What a total mess, yet they won’t return to the Quran alone which is so simple and clear.
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I perfectly understand Sister Ruhi.  They have made a hash out of a simple fact.  While the Quran keeps it easy and brief, hadith complicates it so much with its umpteen forgeries that people only end up with confusion, and most of them are too afraid to address these contradictions.

Also, while traditionalists claim Rajab is sacred to allow people to prepare for Umrah (not Hajj), the fact is that Umrah can be performed at any time of the year.
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2022, 11:16:55 am »



And if you ask them for details on the special aspect of the first 10 days of Dhul Hijja, they will misinterpret V.89:2 of Surah Al-Fajr as connotation for 10 days of Hajj.  Similarly if you ask them for details on the odd nights during the last 10 nights of Ramadan, they will cite V.89:3 of the same Surah Al-Fajr with another misreading.  It’s just so astonishing that they have no qualms about such massive misinterpretations of the contents of the Noble Quran.  In fact, they just don’t bother to read at all.  In the case of misconstruing Verses 2 and 3 of Surah Al-Fajr, all they require to do is to read the first 6 Verses of Surah Al Fajr and the actual reference is very clear and has nothing to do with either first 10 days of Hajj nor the last 10 nights of Ramadan. The problem with traditionalists is that they aren’t looking to correctly understand the Noble Quran.  Instead, they are only looking to pick up any Verses they can from the Quran which can be misinterpreted with a wrong commentary to support  the different sets of hadith forgeries.
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