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« on: July 23, 2021, 01:44:34 am »

 


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"Recite unto them the tale of him to whom We gave Our revelations, but he sloughed them off, so Satan overtook him and he became of those who lead astray."   7:175.


As-salam Alaykum.  Just looking for opinions.   Of course this person couldn't have been a prophet as no prophet would disregard the Revelations of Allah Almighty.   Any idea who this person may have been?   Seems like some famous or influential person of some community who was unfortunately misguided.

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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2021, 01:57:46 am »



Wa'salam.

There are no references who he was and neither do any other Verses speak of him.  Also obviously this wasn't an allegorical personality but someone real otherwise Allah wouldn't have mentioned about him.  As we know, there are quite a few allusions to unnamed people in the Quran, some who were obedient to Allah, some the opposite.  When someone is mentioned in the Quran but their identity not disclosed, it's apparently when the purpose of a message can be understood without revealing their identity.  Thus mentioning them isn't seen as relevant by Allah Almighty.  And Allah knows best.

He was a very negative example of humanity, a person who did not care for the Revelations of Allah and therefore Allah granted him no guidance.  This man was one of those who was easy for Satan to lure.

As usual, in extra Quranic sources there are speculations about his identity.   Some have surmised he maybe Balam Bora, a supposedly scholarly man in the time of Prophet Moses (pbuh) who failed to achieve guidance and fell into the temptation of Satan.   Others have speculated that this Verse might be a reference to someone of later times.   But only Allah knows who he was.
  
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2021, 02:24:03 am »



Walaikum As-Salaam dear sister and brother.    Here is Balam bin Baura's story.  Comes from a hadith by Ibn Abbas but I don't know which collection.   It's said he used to so pious that he could see the farthest point of the heavens (Arsh-e-Zam or Throne of Allah) from the earth.  It's also claimed his supplications was always accepted as he used to be very righteous.  The story goes that the followers of bin Baura felt threatened by the followers of Prophet Musa (pbuh).  So they urged bin Baura to supplicate to Allah Almighty against Prophet Musa (pbuh) and bin Baura finally caved in when the people offered him huge wealth in exchange for his supplication as he couldn't resist the wealth. 

Only Allah Almighty knows whether or not this is authentic.  Even if he formerly was pious, I'm quite sure not to the extent of being able to see Arsh-e-Zam as Allah Almighty didn't grant such a privilege even to any of His messengers.   And bin Baura certainly wasn't a prophet/messenger.




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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2021, 02:50:31 am »



As given in the website AbdurRehman.org, there are quite a lot of hadith narrators who have said bits and pieces of stories about Balam ibn Baura and finally I suppose it was Ibn Kathir who consolidated it into a complete story as recounted in the video.

As Allah Almighty confirms in V.7:175, whoever this man was, he was certainly despicable.   As for the hadith sources, those details are unreliable.  Maybe ibn Baura was even more misguided than the hadith version, maybe he was never a believer at all, only pretended to be one.  According to the hadith story, initially he was righteous because of which Allah granted him lots of privileges and then made his suffer when he deviated.  Allah knows the future.  A person who is destined to deviate, Allah knows it from the beginning.  Such persons are never able to gain many favors from The Almighty at any point of their lives.  They are never able to go beyond their tests and trials which they always end up failing.   And The Almighty knows from the start who will triumph and who won't.

The other point.  What precisely was the punishment given to Ibn Baura is also known to Allah alone.  The hadith view of Ibn Baura's tongue hanging up to his chest is perhaps a concocted idea which some hadith narrator or compiler got by misinterpreting the following Verse 7:176 where Allah mentions as a parable that if you attack a dog he pants with his tongue out and if you let him be, he still pants with his tongue out.  This does not imply that the person referred to in V.7:175 died with his tongue out.  Neither is it a derogatory expression about dogs.  Allah simply mentions a natural phenomenon about an animal that doesn't change.  But regarding humans, this analogy portrays human stubbornness of adhering to misguidance no matter how much you try to show them the right path.  This topic has been discussed in detail in our post "They are not except like the cattle."

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2021, 02:55:34 am »



Very good points mentioned in both those paragraphs, Sister Heba.   Alhumdulilah.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2021, 02:57:18 am »



Alhumdulilah. 

Thanks Sister Heba.   As always, your opinion throws light on other possibilities I didn't think of.
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