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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2021, 02:01:00 pm »



And were the Kohinoor and Darya-e-Noor acquired from some mine in India or from Latin America like the Topkapi emerald dagger?
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2021, 02:04:20 pm »



May be it was mined in central or southern India, but not confirmed.  There were diamond mines in many other parts of the world too and one of the early Muslim conquerors who came to India could have brought it with them. There are three possibilities of the origin of Koh-i-Noor:

(1) It was acquired from some local diamond mine in central of southern India during the reign of Alauddin Khalji.
(2) Acquired from some local diamond mine in India and placed in some local institution for decoration prior to the rule of Alauddin Khalji and later inherited by Khalji.
(3) Acquired somewhere outside India – perhaps Latin America or Central Asia or Africa – already in Khalji’s possession prior to his rule in India and was later brought by him to India after its conquest.

These are the only three possibilities.

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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2021, 02:09:44 pm »



Yes Sister ..

Diamond mining started in southern and northern Africa since very early times.  There are also evidences that ancient Tunisians exchanged precious stones including diamonds with the interior of Africa.  Mining has a very, very long history in the African continent.  Pliny, in particular, says in his Naturalis Historia that diamond existed in Ethiopia since ancient times. In North Africa people have mined for iron ores and other metals for more than 2,000 years. Iron mining began in sub-Saharan Africa by around 500 B.C. and had spread through the region by the A.D. 200s.
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Diamond mining started in southern and northern Africa since very early times.  There are also evidences that ancient Tunisians exchanged precious stones including diamonds with the interior of Africa.  Mining has a very, very long history in the African continent.  Pliny, in particular, says in his Naturalis Historia that diamond existed in Ethiopia since ancient times. In North Africa people have mined for iron ores and other metals for more than 2,000 years. Iron mining began in sub-Saharan Africa by around 500 B.C. and had spread through the region by the A.D. 200s.


Alhumdulilah yes, that part of history is very accurate from all accounts.

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2021, 02:14:25 pm »



There are also reports that Kohinoor looked more like dusty, dirty marble than diamond.
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2021, 02:19:20 pm »




There are also reports that Kohinoor looked more like dusty, dirty marble than diamond.


Exactly.   Kohinoor is actually not a good quality diamond at all.  Diamonds of very large sizes are never the best quality and they don’t look good.  Kohinoor is basically industrial grade diamond.  When the British brought it to their country and put it on display in early 1850s, the audience were not at all enthusiastic.  They expected to see a huge shiny dazzling-looking  diamond throwing its multi-color beams all around.  But when they saw it, they were sorely disappointed and thereafter hardly anyone came to see it.  It was the opposite of what they expected.  The 186 carat diamond looked simple, blurry, somewhat dirty and not too different from common glass.  Subsequently, Victoria’s husband, Albert, instructed to cut the Kohinoor into smaller sizes.   The piece affixed in the British monarchy’s crown is probably not larger than 60 carats.  Reportedly,  brooch and earrings were made of smaller bits of Kohinoor for Victoria and her daughters.  Kohinoor required a lot of hard work.  It had to be cut into smaller sizes, refurbished and polished .. and then it looked more presentable.  Kohinoor is third rate category diamond.   This may indicate it might have been mined somewhere in India.   During those days diamonds were mostly mined in Columbia, very few in India.  And Columbian diamonds were of superior quality.  Indian diamonds were mostly the industrial grade ones of third and fourth rate qualities. 
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True, I also read many similar reports about Kohinoor diamond.  It looked very unimpressive before they worked on it to improve its appearance.  The reason natural industrial diamonds carry a very high price tag is not because they look nice. It’s because of the sweat and toil labor required to obtain it. Reportedly for one carat of diamond, 250 tones of earth need to be excavated .. mined.  Apart from its very negative social impacts encouraging forced labor in poorer countries, it also has a negative impact on the environment.
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2021, 02:24:43 pm »



Spot on brother.  Absolutely correct.
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