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« on: September 13, 2007, 05:53:43 pm »

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During the rule of the Church in the middle centuries, the those who didn't agree with the Church were put to death because the priests and ministers of the "High Church" called them "heretics" or "apostates".  The altered Bible gives clear authority to the priests and ministers to call someone an apostate:  "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment."  (1 Corinthians 2:15)

From the 1200s to the 1800s the Roman Catholic Church had a near-monopoly on the cultural, intellectual and spiritual life of Europe.  It propagated the view that the Bible was off limits to ordinary people.  Sixteenth-century Bibles were written in Latin, a language known only to the priesthood and a few other elites. Translations into more commonly spoken languages were rare. But most importantly, this situation suited the church just fine. 

Now, analyze the stark similarities of this with our so-called Muslim community of today.

Presently the modern Muslim clerics tell the naive faithfuls that they should not read the Quran. They say that it will be too hard for them to understand and they'll get confused.  Thus, whenever the faithfuls have a query, they never try to read the Quran to find answers.  Many of them even consider that a violation.  The Quran is only kept as a decoration wrapped up in silken or velvet covers, but never read for the purpose of finding answers.  The faithfuls blindly run to their community imams with their questions and accept whatever answers are provided to them.  In other words, these clerics have totally blocked the direct access of people with the Almighty Allah.  They encourage this culture for they want the people to be dependent on them.  If the masses began reading the Quran themselves (which is what they should be doing), they would learn to think and reflect independently and wouldn't feel the need to consult the imams.  This is intimidating for the imams and "ulemas" as it could get them out of business.  It's a typical authoritarian culture that is borrowed from medieval Catholic Church and the pagan era by our spiritual leaders.  As described in the Quran, the pagans would neither think nor reflect.  They would reject the Quran by simply saying that they found their forefathers following a certain religion and they only wish to follow their footsteps.  Similarly, according to the mainstream Muslim community at present, an imam can never be wrong and can do no wrong.  Whatever he says must be accepted - no questions asked!  Any person who applies some rational analysis to even the most absurd of fatwas given by an imam becomes an "infidel" perceived as violating the footsteps of the former generations.  This attitude has gone to such depths that it has diminished the status of the Noble Quran into a second priority. A fatwa of a cleric can blatantly contradict the Quran or clash with Quranic principles, but its discrepancies will never be spoken about because the
"imam is a knowledgeable man and can say nothing wrong."

May Allah grant guidance to our dumb witt Ummah though they have done little to deserve His mercy.
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2007, 06:31:54 pm »

Unpleasant as it seems, I can't but agree with this analogy. 

The Ummah of today has adopted the trend of creating spiritual celebrities out of "scholars" and "ulemas" who've studied in Al-Azha and other such universities, as if they are guaranteed as being special people in the Sight of Allah .. when the fact is that whoever Allah chooses as a righteous person is entirely upto Him.  A person whom we may glorify as great in this world might face a very different situation before Allah on the Day of the Tryst. 

A striking example of this is the recent visit of Amr Khaled in the U.S.  The Muslim community of Delaware thronged all around him in a plush hotel as though he is the chosen person of God sent to guide the 21st century Muslims.  Amr Khaled is just a human being like anyone else.  Many people have studied whatever he claims to have studied.  But that's not enough.  The main aspect is the awareness of God in one's heart and the sensitivity of one's conscience as an outcome of that awareness.  Then only will that conscience grow, strengthen the Faith and improve the conduct.  And no one but Allah knows to what extent Amr Khaled or anyone else has succeeded in doing that. 

Check the link below showing the mad frenzy the crowd got whipped up into only for getting a glimpse of another human being.  It's basically a show of false unity .. just as the Catholics go crazy when they see the Pope, these so-called Muslims are trying to don themselves with the same fashion. 


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/10/AR2007091002312.html
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2007, 05:55:10 pm »

This copy-cat culture is an established norm of the hadither community. 

And sis Ruhi gave a very apt analogy.  The christian culture of making icons out of their popes and bishops has impressed a lot of such Muslims too.

Good post cat.  Thanks dear sister.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2014, 05:18:09 pm »

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Mashallah ,sis Heba u have traced the matter very wisely , thumbs up  Thumbsup Thumbsup Thumbsup , that's exactly what happened, so that's how the imam , sheikh or spiritual leader culture born, Quoting U typical authoritarian culture that is borrowed from medieval Catholic Church and the pagan era by our spiritual leaders. , i want to bring here  Quran verse 9:31 and 9:34  which are confirming and explaining the role such ,  علماء اور مشائخ / ulema and mashaikh /rabbis/ scholars and monks/shaikh's ,

@ please, throw some light & Correct me if am wrong


They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!  9:31

O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom, 9:34

If am  not making mistake ,following verses are not limited to Jews and Christians and applies to Muslims too, based on these verses we can easily  see  all things that happened to past nations , Jews and Christians has many laws against their original books , their  علماء اور مشائخ / ulema and mashaikh /rabbis/ monks/scholars keep original knowledge of books secret and feed the people their own interpretations and this fact applies to muslims too , NO difference And that means that they (muslims) are going back to what resembles the Jews and the Christians when they follow whatever their rabbis and monks make halaal or haram, 9:31  rabbis and the monks (ulema's and mashaikh /  عالم اور مشائخ ) eat away the property of men falsely, and turn them ..our ulema's & imams doing the same , eating aways imaan as well  Angry our religious leader never did/do any work without any personal interest their main agenda was to gain leadership ,celebrity status ,  fame  by creating sects  so that, they can steal ordinary people money to live luxurious life. And this is how so many sect & religion was/ is created. more worse such Imam's  has wrote mass separate collection of their own books and such Biblical tafaseer’s  books has been       accepted  as they explain the book of Allah, such as Hadith books, too  and because of that, Allah mention..they attribute it to Allah 2:79   which written by their own hands to gain some benefit ?( 2:79  Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby, ) similarly these ulema and mashaik's so called imam and ,sheikhs,want to play the role of GOD like clerics , popes and bishops, that’s why we see so many thing they forbid which Allah did NOT forbid. they forget that, the law ONLY belong to Allah even NO Messenger/ Prophet was allowed to forbid/alter anything 66:1 ...
All the Messengers ,Prophet of Allah, was the true  Scholar and teachers  for mankind,  they never written any books with their hand ,And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.29:48

But so-called scholar like to rule and lead ummah  like sheep ,imams and Scholars say Dog is unclean but Allah never said that . In fact u can eat what ur Dog catches for u. Take the story about the believers of the cave there is a Dog with them. All this Dog is unclean stuff comes from scholars ,imams , who refer to hadith but according to QURAN no one is ever allowed to obey another one unconditionally, and if they do, they have adhered to some kind of idolatry in which man has taken the place of idol,  this sort of idolatry in which the idol has given its place to a human, is more dangerous than the worship of images and idols .When a believer see the scholars and ulema are teaching somethings that have conflict with clear and evident commands of God/Allah but continue to follow them it means  they are worshiping that scholars instead of worshiping Lord/Allah Al Mighty. ,Q: maybe the rejection of words the word of Lord (The Quran ) also in category of  shirk ,?   ,Whoever Obey such ulema and mashaikh, Scholar  by Prohibiting What Allah Has Permitted or Permitting What Allah Has Prohibited Has taken them as Partners Beside Allah , change the meanings of Quranic verses , or quote them out of context, that's what verse 9:31 explaining too try to be God ,?  there are enough verses in Quran  that explains clearly to these liars that “ascribing partners” is when u worship that person. When u seek his help instead of Allah, when u are in need of such human's (physical idols) to make changes in sharia of Allah (the law of Quran)  u don’t pray to Allah  but instead to someone else. That is what also “Shirk” means.following other then Allah ? right ? 9:31


 
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2014, 09:40:28 pm »

Walaikum Salam, dear sister Muslima. Thank you for your appreciation.  I'm glad you are able to see through my point so accurately. 

Yes, exactly .... Verses 9:31 and 9:34 include Muslim clerics too because the same sycophancy is being observed by the Muslims as well toward their clerics (imams, sheikhs etc.).  Their abnormal admiration and craze about the imams & shiekhs as if they are perfect who can do no wrong and looking upon them as their advocates on the Last Day definitely amounts to shirk.

Like the rabbis and priests of old and now, our Muslim imams also grab money by fooling their disciples.  There are many imams who misuse donation money .. plenty of them.  You'll be amazed to know how they swindle the hard earned money of the donors into beautifying their homes, buying fancy cars and their wives & daughters donning themselves with the most exquisite hijab & abaya suits made of the finest materials that cost nothing less than $600 a piece. 

In Verses 17:56-57 of Surah Al-Isra, Allah again states in very clear terms that on the Day of Judgment these so-called saviors will have no power whatsoever.  On the contrary, they will be too preoccupied claiming their own nearness to Allah in order to obtain His forgiveness and salvation on the Last Day.

"Say: Cry unto those (saints and angels) whom ye assume (to be gods) beside Him, yet they have no power to rid you of misfortune nor to change." 17:56

"Those unto whom they cry seek the way of approach to their Lord, which of them shall be the nearest; they hope for His mercy and they fear His doom. Lo! the doom of thy Lord is to be shunned"


I totally agree with you about the doggy issue.  Quran says nothing bad about dogs. In fact in Surah al-Kahf, the believers had a dog who were being persecuted by the kuffar.  Hence, the dog was a pet belonging to the believers.  In other words we can say that the Noble Quran actually presents the idea of dog as man's good friend.  I've tried to explain this very valid and simple point to those idiotic liars so many times but they just won't hear of it.  That's because they are fixated on the false ahadith of the phoney sahabahs and imams that have declared dogs as outcasts by wrongly attributing unauthentic contents to the Prophet (pbuh).  It's so easy to discern that bulk of the hadith aims at promoting personal views of those who forged these stupid narrations.  Yet the naive Muslims cannot catch the guile, or even if they do, they remain silent and purposely condone the lie.  Not just that, but if some sincere person points out the fabrication and its lack of logic, they get mad because they cannot accept any criticism or rejection of the nonsense their imams speak.  The attitude is exactly the same in orthodox Christianity & Judaism even today .. a culture that became rooted since the 10th or 11th century after Christianity & Judaism were fully corrupted by human hands. Of course, the corruption began much earlier, and thus, Allah mentions it in the Quran as well.

It's really sad that the dog is such a cute and faithful animal, and for Muslims it's become an unclean and evil animal only because of the lies of those mad hadith writers and their nincompoop followers. 

You very correctly pointed out Verse 2:79 "Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. ...."  Of course everyone knows that the Jews and Christians have completely changed their Divine Scriptures which are no longer original.  The Muslims are doing the same through the Hadith, in particular, Hadith Qudsi which they claim are the words of Allah when Allah has given them no warrant to speak as such. 

As I've always maintained, the Jews, Christians and Muslims have all introduced tons of bid'ah.  The only difference between the Jews & Christians on one side and the Muslims on the other is, while the former have introduced changes within their original Divine Scriptures, the latter has introduced them through a separate channel called "Hadith."  That's why I always say that the counterpart of the Toral and Bible is the Hadith, NOT the Quran.  The reason Muslims could not change the Quran and will never be able to change it is because Allah has held off their hands.  Allah promised in the Quran that His Final Message is in a "guarded tablet" or 'lauh-mahfooz' and He has Himself taken the responsibility to preserve the Noble Quran.  All praise be to Allah.   It is only Allah Who is protecting the Quran from all the rogues that fill the 1.2 billion Ummah today.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2014, 02:17:52 am »



Like the rabbis and priests of old and now, our Muslim imams also grab money by fooling their disciples.  There are many imams who misuse donation money .. plenty of them.  You'll be amazed to know how they swindle the hard earned money of the donors into beautifying their homes, buying fancy cars and their wives & daughters donning themselves with the most exquisite hijab & abaya suits made of the finest materials that cost nothing less than $600 a piece. 

 correctly pointed out Verse 2:79 "Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. ...."  Of course everyone knows that the Jews and Christians have completely changed their Divine Scriptures which are no longer original.  The Muslims are doing the same through the Hadith, in particular, Hadith Qudsi which they claim are the words of Allah when Allah has given them no warrant to speak as such. 


As I've always maintained, the Jews, Christians and Muslims have all introduced tons of bid'ah.  The only difference between the Jews & Christians on one side and the Muslims on the other is, while the former have introduced changes within their original Divine Scriptures, the latter has introduced them through a separate channel called "Hadith."  That's why I always say that the counterpart of the Toral and Bible is the Hadith, NOT the Quran.  The reason Muslims could not change the Quran and will never be able to change it is because Allah has held off their hands.  Allah promised in the Quran that His Final Message is in a "guarded tablet" or 'lauh-mahfooz' and He has Himself taken the responsibility to preserve the Noble Quran.  All praise be to Allah.   It is only Allah Who is protecting the Quran from all the rogues that fill the 1.2 billion Ummah today.


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word by word Am 100% agree with U  ,absolutely right these religious guru's  & leaders ,  lives luxurious  celebrates life  Because of their disciples and devotees , i feel pity for such folks those who takes them as middle man or  as Partners Beside Allah ,   Sad

May Allah guide ummah to the straight path, make them able to return to the final message The NOble Quran Alone , before the death ,may each believer come out from darkness into the light , May Allah grant ummah some sense to recognise the shaitan and realize the truth about  such imams and sheikhs , علماء اور مشائخ those who are seducing ummah like the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks did..... Sad



jazak Allah khair my dear sis heba Smiley  May Allah Reward U for ur efforts and wisdom Thank u very much for this Thought-provoking and insightful articles .Allah bless






 
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2014, 11:52:36 pm »

Ameen, ameen, for your excellent dua, dear sister Muslima.   Thank you very much.  Allah bless.
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